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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:39 AM
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Hillary's "Experience Lie" may come back to haunt her if she is the nominee.
Hillary's "Experience" LieIf that's her selling point, put me down for Obama.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Monday, Jan. 14, 2008, at 7:16 PM ET


Edwards served a single term in the Senate. Obama served eight years in the Illinois state Senate and is halfway through his first term in the U.S. Senate. Clinton is about to begin her eighth year in the U.S. Senate. Going by years spent as an elective official, Obama's 11 years exceeds Clinton's seven, which in turn exceeds Edwards' six. But it's a silly calculus. They all come out about the same, even when you factor in Clinton's youthful work on the House judiciary committee's impeachment inquiry, her membership on the board of the Legal Services Corp., her chairmanship of the Arkansas Educational Standards committee, her crafting of an unsuccessful national health-care bill, and her sharing Bill Clinton's bed most nights while he was Arkansas governor and president of the United States.

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I don't mean to denigrate her professional experience. Clinton worked many years in corporate and public-interest law, performed advocacy work for the Children's Defense Fund and other groups, and was a university lecturer. She also devoted herself to raising a seemingly bright and loving daughter, which is no small feat, particularly given the public spotlight and some conspicuously bad behavior on the father's part.
But in government, Clinton's chief role over the years has been that of kibitzer. An important kibitzer, to be sure—what spouse isn't?—but not a direct participant.

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A Dec. 26 New York Times story revealed that during her husband's two terms in office, Hillary Clinton did not hold a security clearance, did not attend meetings of the National Security Council, and was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. During trips to Bosnia and Kosovo, she "acted as a spokeswoman for American interests rather than as a negotiator." On military affairs, most of her experience derives not from her White House years but from serving on the Senate armed services committee. In this capacity, William Kristol notes gleefully in the Jan. 14 New York Times, Clinton told Gen. David Petraeus this past September that his reports of military progress in Iraq—since shown to be undeniable—required "the willing suspension of disbelief." (What Kristol and Clinton both fail to say is that the surge's laudable military success has created a short-term opportunity that the Iraqi government and Bush himself are doing tragically little to seize.

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Clinton's claim to superior experience isn't merely dishonest. It's also potentially dangerous should she become the nominee. If Clinton continues to build her campaign on the dubious foundation of government experience, it shouldn't be very difficult for her GOP opponent to pull that edifice down.

http://www.slate.com/id/2182073
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:40 AM
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1. Puffed-up resumes have a way of coming back to bite one in the arse.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:45 PM
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27. Look at her resume before you make such judgements
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:41 AM
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2. Except nobody is voting Republican this year.
And there are way more Democrats than Republicans to begin with.

But you keep trying.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:00 AM
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11. Yeah - And We Didn't Think Gore Would Lose Or Kerry Would Lose.....nt
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM
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29. Or that the political flake Reagan would win in 1980 ... eom
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:44 AM
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3. Hillary was not in public interest law, on the contrary, she defended the corporations
when she worked for Rose Law. Do an google on Hillary and Entergy.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:12 PM
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23. Come on now, that's just spin...
of course she was in public interest law, she just wasn't working on the "public interest" side of it. :)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:40 PM
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25. At least Edwards was an advocate for the public interest
not an apologist for corporate misconduct.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:45 AM
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4. Why, exactly, would a First Lady get copied on the DIB or attend NSC meetings?
And if she didn't, why would this be strike against her?

Just curious.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:45 AM
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5. It would be a Billary presidency and everyone knows it. Billary = experience. nt
nt
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:47 AM
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6. Little Tim is childish -
"...sharing Bill's bed" is sexist drivel.

Nice pig source - congrats.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:50 AM
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7. Yeah, that's a little gross...
Must be that "fair and balanced" portion of Slate.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:58 AM
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10. She doesn't share Bill's bed?
Is'nt that why a lot of people are voting for her? The 2 for 1 thing?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:16 AM
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16. We hope she is the one sharing Bill's bed.
I sure do.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:31 AM
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17. Calling the author "Little Tim" is childish, but I understand your need to deflect
... and change the subject since you don't have a good counter arguement.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:53 AM
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8. No mention of her role in Watergate and how she help get Nixon bounced. n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:55 AM
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9. She was a low level staffer
Or is Hillary now claiming a bigger role than that played by Peter Rodino or Barbara Jordan?
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:35 AM
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13. Her research and organization skills kept the committee on schedule and message. n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:56 AM
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19. Now you make her sound like a secretary
You people are doing the same cult of personality with Hillary that Stalin did in Soviet Union or "Dear Leader" is doing in North Korea. Next thing you people will say is that Hillary was instrumental in the Emancipation Proclamation.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:05 PM
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21. Her research for the committee nailed Nixon, and the elephant never forgot it. n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:07 PM by CK_John
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:10 PM
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22. Hillary was instrumental in every military action
and ware 1993 - 2008.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:39 PM
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24. Including the bombing of Belgrade's electric power plant during winter--a war crime!
And the bombing of Belgrade's TV station, killing several civilians including a popular anchor.

She is also responsible for the spraying of toxins in Colombia under her husband's genocidal Plan Colombia, resulting in birth defects and health problems for people and cattle.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:25 PM
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28. How should the US have reacted to the "civil" wars in Bosnia and Kosovo?
That's a real question, not a dry rejoinder. That was a long time ago, and I have lost track of the details.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:07 AM
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12. 35-yrs of experience means she is up there with old Dick Cheney
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:59 AM
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20. and after all that experiance
she certainly enjoys being fooled by GW and the administration time and time again on war, energy, environment, etc. With all this experiance you would think she would be able to see through the BS of the current admin almost as easily as we see through it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:36 AM
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14. Well the last 15 years ain't been all that......
Experience at making bad decision is not what impresses me.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:43 AM
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15. K&R...n/t
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:16 AM
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18. its coming back to haunt her now
how can you claim so much experiance with politicians then say

well GW fooled me thats why i voted for the iraq war

just plain silly in my book. Thats why i call her triangulating.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:43 PM
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26. Her resume is vast and far reaching
It took me about 30 seconds to find her resume. She accomplished more before she met Bill, than most folks accomplish in a lifetime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton">Look here
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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30. There is a direct correlation between opposition to Hillary and ignorance of Hillary.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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31. It reminds me of GWB's "experience."
He was the President's son for four years, and the VP's son for another eight years, which gave him a lot of insider WH experience. Plus he had many more years running several exciting businesses.

:eyes:
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