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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:29 PM
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Just Keeping A Record Of Some Of The Strange Happenings During Dem Nominee Process.......
1. New Hampshire - polls different than outcome
2. Keeping Dennis Kucinich out of the debate
3. Michigan & Florida - knocked out of the process
4. Race/Gender flap

These are just the most obvious - I'm sure there are more and I ask that they be listed here and we keep a running tab of these.

Reason:

It looks to me that someone is trying to manipulate the process of identifying the Dem nominee for the General Election. I'm not implicating anyone or any campaign. I just want to list those things that are happening during this process that are out of the ordinary. Maybe if the list broadens out and it is analyzed it would point to whom is trying to take control here.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:30 PM
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1. I have one: white people concerned with race issues. nt.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:32 PM
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3. From what I have been reading
it is not only white people who are concerned.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:32 PM
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6. but its not strange for those people....white people on the other hand...very strange. nt.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:31 PM
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2. chaos is the preferred milieu of fascists
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:59 PM
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15. Bingo!
It's all obfuscation, smoke and mirrors.

Ignore the man behind the curtain, he really is irrelevant.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:32 PM
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4. Yeah, except all of those things have completely unrelated causes.
No one is trying to manipulate anything, EXCEPT maybe those who wish to keep true progressives out of the debate, and hence don't want a spoiler like Kucinich on the stage.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:32 PM
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5. The Most Besetting Flaw Of The Human Mind, sir
Is the imposition of pattern on the random....
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:40 PM
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10. Wow! Did you just make that up, Magistrate?
I like the way you think! Great observation!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:54 PM
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13. The Idea Is An Old One, Ma'am
Of much too ancient standing for any to claim originality with a straight face over it.

But your kind words are much appreciated.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:44 PM
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11. And the biggest hurdle to our reasoning process
is to see that "chaos" and "randomness" is simply pattern that we cannot identify at the time.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:56 PM
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14. That, Sir, Seems More An Article Of Faith Than A Fruit Of Reason
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:09 PM
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17. I used to study chaos theory as a hobby
Nothing happens without a precursor effect. As the Merovingian in The Matrix put it so well:

You see, there is only one constant, one universal, it is the only real truth: causality. Action. Reaction. Cause and effect...Causality. There is no escape from it, we are forever slaves to it. Our only hope, our only peace is to understand it, to understand the `why.' `Why' is what separates us from them, you from me. `Why' is the only real social power, without it you are powerless.


If you ignore the forces around you, of course you are surprised when they add up to something you weren't expecting. If you watch the minute details of life, though, they all flow together to form a complete picture. At that point, there is no chaos, no randomness.

The fruit of reason is knowledge, not assumptions. You assume there is no pattern, and by doing so, you ignore the details that would detail the pattern that is there.

Nothing happens by chance. Nothing.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:35 PM
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19. Being Unable To Detect a Pattern, Making Due Allowance For My Propensity To Discern Them
Suffices for me as the basis for concluding "Shit happens..." is among the most perfect expressions of human wisdom formulated to date....
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:50 PM
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21. Your loss for not looking deeper
But we all have to have a strategy that works for us. For some, it is simply too much extra effort for the returns. For myself, it used to bug me that things happened and I didn't know why. The return is more than worth it to me.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:58 PM
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22. Blame It On Decades Throwing Dice, Sir
It has a curative effect....
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:36 PM
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7. Are you new to following politics? All kinds of strange things happen.
I think it's clear that the corporate-owned media is interested in making sure that a corporate-friendly president replaces the exceedingly corporate-friendly idiot currently squatting there. That's why candidates like Kucinich and even Edwards get ignored.

It's nothing new for the corporations to be seeking to hang onto control. Not take control - they've had that for a long time.

As for the race/gender flap, welcome to politics. This is actually a fairly polite primary season.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:37 PM
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8. As an Edwards backer, I find it strange that Edwards is the only
potential Democratic nominee that consistently wins over all of the Republican candidates in national poll and yet he is in a distant third place within the party.

It would be most unfortunate if we nominated a candidate who went on to lose the General Election when we had a winner within or ranks.

Actually, I believe that any one of our candidates would defeat any Republican in the next election.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:48 PM
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12. Yes, add this to the list and make it number one.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:01 PM
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16. That Apparent Paradox, Sir
Owes to the difference between a primary electorate and a general electorate.

Both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama are in their very persons embodiments of 'identity politics' strains that are very powerful within the universe of rank and file Democrats, and left and progressive persons even more broadly. This gives them a sort of head start in an intra-party contest.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:37 PM
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9. How about # 5:
Diebold is still intimately involved in the process, like touchscreen, paperless voting coming up in South Carolina?
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:10 PM
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18. UFO Sighting in Stephenville, TX
How far is that from Crawford?
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:18 PM
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20. They just showed it on msnbc - flickering light
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