Which candidate here considers themself a "Goldwater Girl" and was once a republican?

[Renew Deal]

Which one of these current or former republicans was once a "Goldwater Girl?"

[MrsT]

1. I admit that the smears against Obama coming from many Clinton supporters here

are really, really lame. But digging this up doesn't help either.

[Renew Deal]

3. I didn't have to dig. Hillary's supporters are proud of it.

Gives her vigor.

[rodeodance]

64. "proud"---you really are something!!

[rodeodance]

62. NO--THIS ip DOES NOT HELP OBAMA SUPPORTERS

[Captain Hilts]

2. At least she didn't vote for Reagan like Steph Miller and Ariana Huffington did. nt

[Renew Deal]

5. Wes Clark?

:shrug:

[Captain Hilts]

9. Yep, he did, but he owns it in a way they didn't. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Ariana Huffington And Ed Schultz Went Left Because There Was No Niche Place For Them On The Right

~

[SharonAnn]

4. I was a "Goldwater Girl" and thought I was a Republican. I was her age, teen years

and went along with my parents beliefs at that time.

And I thought of Democrats as being like the Dixiecrats, very racist.

It was later when I realized that the Republicans didn't represent people like me.

[NYCGirl]

8. Were you president of the College Republicans at Wellesley like Hillary Clinton?

edited for typo

[Essene]

43. errr, was she really a republican still in college?

[NYCGirl]

44. Indeed she was.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WhoIs/story?id=3963326&

[Evergreen Emerald]

50. tell the WHOLE story:

"During her first year of college, she became president of the Wellesley Young Republicans, though she later stepped down because of her views on the U.S. civil rights movement and the Vietnam War.

"I got to college and, by the time I really started thinking hard about what I thought about a lot of issues, I realized I might not know what I was, but I couldn't claim to be a Republican," Clinton said. "

[NYCGirl]

52. But when she was president of the Young Republicans, she was a republican,

right?

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. until she saw what they stood for, and realized she could not

support that. right?

[NYCGirl]

54. Exactly. But she was NOT just a child when she was a GOPer. NT

[Essene]

57. child... freshman in college... same thing... except for the her being pres of young repubs part.

i can respect young folks earnestly just kinda going along with a passionate ideological viewpoint.

i wouldnt hold somebody's youthful partisanship against them, as an adult.




but she wasnt just earnestly following. she was the PRESIDENT of the young republicans. that represents more than some accidental, arbitrary "oooops."

it does.

you dont get to be PRESIDENT of the young republicans and then later claim you never thought about the issues.

[rodeodance]

65. silly---since when is anyone who is freshman is college a 'CHILD'///

[elixir]

79. I believe all people, including candidates, are richer for the experience of trying something and...

deciding it's not right for them.

[Essene]

59. She became the president of college young republicans before realizing what it meant? nah...

[rodeodance]

61. Thanks for the real story.

[AllyCat]

76. I'm certainly not in the HRC camp, but I can see a lot of people being

uncertain about their views at that age. College changes things for a lot of us. What worries me is that she acts like a Republicon now.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

20. thee & mois.

I also spent time in the USSR in 1976, and came back an utter conservative. Then I got to see the dirty underbelly of the real neoconmen, and became sickened by what I saw. What really put fear into me spine was the devil's deal that the GOP made with the crazed fundies and how they were willing to force their beliefs on us.

Reagan's term was scary. I really began to question what had happened. By Bush 1, I was in a serious search for something completely different. Bush II makes me feel bad for ever having been a conservative, even long ago, in my yute.

Whereas I think my ideals and ideas have grown in experience, but not changed radically, I find that my positions place me far to the left ( -7.33, -8.10). Yet, finding what I wrote back in 1982, it seems that my opinions have't changed as much as the world around me. And not for the better.

[no name no slogan]

46. Bush II is barely a conservative

huge deficits, interventionist foreign policy, expansion of the police state-- definitely not conservative in that respect.


The whole political debate in this country has shifted very far to the right in the past 30 yeras. I've been going on about this for awhile, but the Richard Nixon on 1972-74 would fit in very comfortably in the moderate wing of the Democratic Party.

[Bonobo]

6. *Boo hiss Boo hiss*

[cloudbase]

7. Proof of evolution? n/t

[Captain Hilts]

12. Folks here don't seem to believe in evolution....nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

10. Both Hillary and Barack did stupid things when they were young

I did stupid things, too. Does anyone know, however, who Hillary Clinton supported in the next election in 1968 and what her position was on the Vietnam War? Her political leanings as a young woman would be far more interesting to me than her support for Goldwater as a young high school girl.

[rodeodance]

67. BINGO.

[SharonAnn]

70. The explanation is "I received new information and changed my position. What do you do

with new information?

[Lucinda]

11. But she wasn't running for President then. :)

[William769]

13. The best post today! I will K&R for your desperation!

Hillary was 17 back in the 60's. Obama and Reagan are now in this DEMOCRATIC primary! :rofl:

[Renew Deal]

14. And yet you feel the need to distort his statement,

You're such a good "democrat"

[William769]

19. Yes I am. Obama could take some lessons!

:rofl:

[BanzaiBonnie]

15. BFD, I was too and now I know better

I'm not a Clinton supporter at this point, but I think these attacks are lowlife.

[Renew Deal]

18. Damn, I didn't know that many people were involved.

You're the second one in this thread.

[Cha]

16. Just because some hillarys are trying to drag

Obama down with the reagun thing is no reason to bring up hillary's goldwater past.

My interest is her here and now which, in my view, makes a goldwater girl seem like the sandbox.

hillary's hillary and she'll continue trying to smear and jeer Obama but bringing up the truth about hillary we'll be taken as trying to denigrate the inevitable one.

[Dogmudgeon]

17. At age 16

Some mighty smooth rhetoric flying these days.

--p!

[kestrel91316]

21. In her defense, I myself was a registered Republican in my youth and voted

for Gerry Ford rather than Carter. I hope I have redeemed myself in the years since.

Youthful folly and such........

[Botany]

22. 2 former Goldwater Girls

[cascadiance]

27. Though not a "Goldwater Girl" this recognizable person also campaigned for Goldwater...

Thom Hartmann

That was a long time ago, and I have ENORMOUS respect for Thom Hartmann and how his perspective has grown over the years. So though Hillary's Republican roots are something to examine, I wouldn't use it as my sole measure of criticizing her.

I'm sure that Reagan's supporters also don't dwell on how he started as a Democrat too.

[Occam Bandage]

23. I like all the Giuliani votes.

[cascadiance]

28. Is this when he was a "Goldwater Girl"?

[VotesForWomen]

24. wow, going back 40 years for a gratuitous hillary slam. so much for the truce. nt

[LittleClarkie]

34. Gratuitous, nah. It's in response to something else. But still out of bounds

considering how old she was.

That the truce has been broken would seem to be evident from BOTH sides, not just one. I'd say we never really had one here anyway.

[NoBorders]

25. Wasn't that the civil rights era? n/t

[SharonAnn]

72. Yes, and the conservative Democrats were against the Civil Rights bill.

[Debi]

26. Goldwater girl vs. Breck girl?

[LittleClarkie]

32. I get enough of that from Rush, I don't need it from people on my own side too

Come on guys, we're better than this, aren't we?

[Debi]

36. Oh, Jesus, if we can't laugh at ourselves....

x(

[LittleClarkie]

37. Sorry. It's hard to tell when people are joking when they're being so outrageous

in their attacks.

Cheers.

[Debi]

78. Same to you

:toast:

[LittleClarkie]

29. Calling foul. She was 16 years old, for fuck's sake

It's not cool when it's done to Obama, and equally not cool when done to Hillary.

[NYCGirl]

45. She was president of the College Republicans at Wellesley. But still, it's

not a valid thing to criticize her on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Robert Kennedy Voted For Eisenhower In 52

People grow...

[Captain Hilts]

33. Then he went to work with Joe McCarthy and Roy Cohn....nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. But He Was A Voice Of Sanity On HUAC

That's why he earned Roy Cohn's everlasting emnity...

[Captain Hilts]

39. JFK was unable to explain RFK's role on the panel, and JFK himself...

never denounced McCarthy until later. That, in part, lost him the VP spot in '56. Folks were concerned about his not coming out against McCarthy.

Yes, RFK had a learning curve. And I respect that.

[Bucky]

38. Thank you for helping me update my ignore list

[jackson_dem]

40. Attacking her for that is as bad as attacking Obama for his past drug use

:thumbsdown:

[Essene]

42. and at least he can admit he MEANT TO DO IT =D

[Essene]

41. Vote Rudy and support cross-dressing

[bklyncowgirl]

47. Shit, and I was going to say John Edwards, of course it's Hillary.

People do dumb things when they're young. I'll trade you Hillary's support of Goldwater and raise you one Obama smoking pot.

Let's talk about something more recent, thank you.

[Zynx]

48. LAAAAAMMMMMEEEE

Lame lame lame^7810348

[Doubting Thomas]

49. No big deal

That was back in 1964. We've all changed over the years. I was raised in a union family, would have voted for Kennedy, but wasn't quite old enough. Then I worked in aerospace for 30 years. Almost everybody I worked with was John Birch conservative. I was given a book to read called "None Dare Call it Treason," which purported to expose all the Democrats as Commie traitors. I believed it, until I read the reply, "None Dare Call it Reason" which showed the context of the out-of-context quotes, and the twisted rhetoric of the conservatives. But it was too late for the election. I voted for Goldwater. I was a young, inexperienced, idealist. After reading "...Reason" I went back to my Liberal roots. My father was right, "The Republican party is the party of the Robber Barons."

(BTW: The Democrats told me in 1964 that if I voted for Goldwater, we'd bomb North Viet-Nam. They were right, I voted for Goldwater, and we bombed North Viet-Nam.)

It all served a good purpose though, because now I can recognize the lies and spin of all politicians, shamans, advertising copywriters, etc.

(SPIN = a new word, recently invented to describe lying without actually saying anything false)

[ShortnFiery]

51. And just like the BushBotBorg, HRC's DLC cronies are going to PROTECT us from "evildoers."

:eyes:

[bvar22]

55. Hillary didn't evolve.

The Democratic Party has devolved (regressed?).

The Pro-Big Business "Centrist" wing of the Democratic Party is roughly equivalent to the Republican Party of the 1960s, certainly on Economic Issues.

No bid deal.
Hillary is who she is. :shrug:


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Doubting Thomas]

56. Right on

True

[bvar22]

71. I give her high marks on consistency.

She has stuck with the Republican values of her youth!

[Skip Intro]

58. So we can go back to Hillary's early years, but it is racist to bring up Obama's.

The fairness of the Hope and Change brigade never ceases to blow me away.

[NYCGirl]

60. Do you think experimenting with drugs and being a College Republican are

equal?

More people experimented with drugs than were ever College Republicans.

[Skip Intro]

63. I think people make dumb mistakes when they are young, and I find the double standard very offensive

[rodeodance]

73. ha ha--so its quanity--that is your criteria for exceptable/non-exceptable.

[tammywammy]

66. Seriously?

Seriously? I mean there have been threads and threads on this lately. This isn't freaking new news! It's a complete non-issue.

[rodeodance]

68. The polls on DU get stupider day by day.

[Clintonista2]

69. So does the poster who started this one

[Renew Deal]

74. Cmon, you've got me beat

When it comes to posting piles of bullshit, you're way ahead of all of us.

[TriMetFan]

75. What kind of post/poll is this?????

What does Hillary being an ex-republican have to do with her now???? So are you trying to say that ex-republicans like myself are not or can not be Democrats now??????? How dare you try to divide our Party even more. I'm so FUCKING SICK of the the Bull Shit here in DU. If it is not some one putting down/bashing Obama, it is go after Hillary like if she is satan. What the hell is wrong with you people???

[nadine_mn]

77. no Steph Miller and CC Goldwater 08 choice...rigged!!!!!!!!!