Perhaps the biggest deception from Clinton I've seen so far(flier in Nevada)

[Levgreee]

Hilary Clinton. A blueprint to rebuild the road to middle-class prosperity. Provide tax-relief for the middle class and address social security without putting burdens hard-working families or seniors.

Barack Obama. A plan with a trillion dollar tax increase on America's hard working families. Lifting the cap on social security taxes to send more of Nevada's families hard-earned dollars to Washington.


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080116_Clinton_Mailer.pdf


Currently, workers pay Social Security taxes on the first $97,500 in income — anything above that is exempt. Obama said he would consider keeping the exemption for up to around $200,000, but anyone earning more than that should have to contribute more. He was not specific about what he would do.

“There might be some exemptions, but once people are making over $200,000 to $250,000, they can afford to pay a little more in payroll tax,” Obama said.

“It doesn’t just fall on the wealthiest of Americans … It would be a trillion-dollar tax increase on middle class families, and I think there are better approaches to solving the long-term challenges we face in Social Security,” she said, without elaborating.

Three months ago, Clinton told an Iowa voter privately that she would consider raising the income limit as long as there was a “gap,” with no Social Security taxes on income from $97,500 to around $200,000. An Associated Press reporter overheard the conversation.same exact plan as Obama.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/16/clinton-accuses-obama-of-1-trillion-tax-hike-for-plan-she-would-also-consider/


You can't get any more obvious than that... a Trillion dollar tax hike for the middle class??? At least with Obama's Iraq war stance, people who don't study a little or have the necessary reasoning, will keep believing Obama has flip-flopped. This one is so easy to see through.

[Thrill]

1. She's playing dirty. For someone who was suppose to run away

with the nomination. By playing like this, it tells you what kind of internal polling she's getting. She's sinking. Now they have to do what ever it takes

[OHdem10]

2. This is campainig. Take some time and watch the Republicans

They are being somewhat constrained because it is their own.

When it is Democrats they will do their best make ground
sausage out of them.

Our Candidate look like they are running for class president.

You expect misleading and do not whine.

[Sulawesi]

6. I hear a lot of defense of dirty campaigning like this.."the republicans do it"

Is that your standard for behavior? The republicans do a lot of things that we should draw distinctions about.

[MADem]

3. If you want to be technical, that flyer isn't from her campaign, it's from a group

that calls itself "Nevadans for Hillary."

[Levgreee]

4. No, that is incorrect, it is from her campaign

Here is her official site
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/nevada/
notice the link, join "Nevadans for Hilary"

Also notice on the envelope in the PDF, "Paid for by Hilary Clinton for President"

[Levgreee]

5. ah... she did it in New Hampshire too

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/on_eve_of_primary_hillary_drops_negative_mailer_hitting_obama_on_taxes.php

I wonder how many votes this flier, and her completely deceptive flier on Obama's abortion stance, got her.

[Sulawesi]

7. If you want to get less technical, you are wrong.

[MADem]

8. According to the poster above, her campaign paid for it...

I still think there's a 'degree of separation' there. Otherwise, why even use the separate title of "Nevadans for Hillary?"

This is the state arm of the national campaign, and they probably set it up that way to enable a degree of plausible deniability if needed.

When they were looking for help, they didn't use a campaign email address: http://bluetifulwork.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/campaign-hillary-clinton-nevada-field-staff/

[Levgreee]

10. There is no degree of seperation

Hilary Clinton saw and approved the flier, both in New Hampshire and Nevada. She payed for it. Maybe I'd consider your point, a little bit, if the same flier wasn't given out in New Hampshire.


They use "Nevadans for Hilary" because that is a better name to attract members and voters, and because of the logistics, the Nevada supporters don't work with the Florida supporters for most things, for example. The Florida supporters don't have to pay as much attention to the Nevada Caucus, know the city and towns in Nevada, etc.

[cloudythescribbler]

9. Obviously HRC's supporters on DU don't give a rat's ass about this kind of thing --

I don't see posts by people saying "I'm for Hillary Clinton but this statement was not honest etc." I myself, as an Obama supporter have noted where I disagree with Obama or even where he is not telling the full truth (eg his denial that the HRC campaign were engaged in a pattern of race-baiting) -- although such gentlemanliness under the circumstances is more than understandable.

[LostinVA]

20. OMG -- talk about a slap in the face after the pat on the back

BWWWAAAHHHHH

[Midlodemocrat]

11. You kept posting in the lounge to post this tripe?

Way to divide and conquer, dude.

And, I'm not a Hillary supporter.

[Levgreee]

12. How is it tripe?

This is clear and simple, what Hilary is doing. It's not some right-wing columnist bashing Hilary, or some conspiracy theory, like I see in lots of threads here.

I see tons of threads attacking Obama (and Clinton, of course) and then I add one with merit and you call it tripe?

And I posted some legit messages before spamming some in the lounge. Considering half the posts yesterday were on Reagan, there wasn't much I wanted to contribute.

[Midlodemocrat]

13. Divide and conquer, divide and conquer.

:eyes:

[Levgreee]

15. Yet, you look at "dividing and conquering" as worse than....

undermining the Democratic process, and giving out completely false statements about the opponent? She is completely mis-educating the voters, making them hate another candidate based on lies, when in actuality Obama may be their preferred candidate, without the trillion dollar tax hike on the middle class/

I'm sorry, but Hilary is not more important than the Democratic process, what our country stands for, in my mind.

[Midlodemocrat]

16. Not a Hillary supporter, dude.

But, I just LOVE how people sign up on sites like this to bash candidates during Primary season. It's almost like watching golf, it's so interesting.

[Levgreee]

19. 90% of my posts will be defending a candidate

on either side. The reason being, I believe it is much better to inform people about the merits of either candidate, before you inform them about the deficiencies of either candidate.

I will not be bashing Clinton on hardly anything else, policy, history in the white house, etc., because I am not informed enough to understand it to the extent that I can criticize it with knowing I haven't missed something.

But, if I see something I truly don't like, I'm going to post about it, and I believe I should.

[LostinVA]

18. Nice post, Hitlary

[08amanation]

14. Anything to get power

It's sad, really.

[MH1]

17. $200,000 annual income is middle class? Maybe to Hillary.

:eyes:

Guess once you're far enough removed from it, <100,000 and >200,000 don't look that much different.

[arthritisR_US]

22. If that's the case, I'd love to be middle class as opposed to

scraping the bottom of the barrel for scraps! :banghead:

[bunnies]

21. Obama needs to address this and call it what it is.

A big fat desperate lie. Disgusting.

[arthritisR_US]

23. This kind of thing does nobody any good and it makes the

distinction between Dems and Repukes mute as their tactics are one and the same. :cry:

[tishaLA]

24. Sounds like something the republicons used against

her husband. Sheesh.