Thoroughly disgusting.

[Joe Fields]

There are just too many reports about voter suppression from the Clinton campaign during the Nevada caucus to slough off and pretend it didn't happen. The people's right to participate UNHINDERED in the democratic process is a sacred and constitutional right. The clear organizational attempt by the Clinton campaign to herd people to the Hillary side of caucus rooms, the turning away of caucus participants, the early closing of caucus locations, AND the heavy handed behavior of Bill Clinton disgusts me to the bone.

This should not be a proud campaign moment for ANY Clinton supporter. This stinks as if Karl Rove played a hand in all of this.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. I agree. It's just too much for me to bear. Disgusting. :( nt

[Bonobo]

2. You mean the President of the United States standing in a caucus with an entourage

would actually be an UNFAIR INFLUENCE of caucus members!!!?

B-but, he's just another person, err, he didn't ACTUALLY break any laws, I mean... He's got a right, doesn't he? It's his wife, right?

Why would that exert any undue influence on the process?

[cali]

4. That's so fucking outrageous

He's an ace hypocrite and a liar. I wish someone would just drag him off the stage. It's borderline sick behavior.

[boston bean]

8. Obama visited the sites too. Fer chrissakes I wish people would do some research. nt

[cali]

13. Did he stay in a caucus while they were voting?

because I didn't see any indication that he did, and you don't provide links either.

[boston bean]

37. I don't see any indication bill stayed during caucusing, can you provide a link for that.

a real one?

[ruggerson]

42. ****CRICKETS****

[Bonobo]

9. Did you see him all in the face of that interviewer asking about the NV lawsuit?

Now THAT was scary. He looked like a big, red-nosed drunk verbally accosting that poor guy.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=lBYNIsvrTY4&feature=related

"Your position is..."

"That's your first position."

"Get on your TV station and say...!"

He was angrily pointing his finger at that guy putting words in his mouth like "So your position is that their votes should count 5 times as much!"

This was a reporter he was talking to. Wow.

[MediaBabe]

59. You better check your link

Did you post a link to the video you intended? Cause I didn't see any anger on anybody's part. Or verbal accosting. Nor a red nosed drunk at all.

[MagsDem]

51. So you as disgusted about Michelle and Barack

Visting caucus sites? No, no problem with that, right? Just don't want Bill there because people love him. Is that the point?

[ronnykmarshall]

3. Those poor, poor Obama supporters.

Such class, such visions of HOPE!

[Raven]

7. Wow! You folks just keep this up...the elitist crap and I may just sit

it out in November. Who the hell do you think you are trashing there people and calling them classless.

[IndianaJones]

11. did you look at that picture? lmao. nt.

[Raven]

16. Yeah, so?

[IndianaJones]

18. those people are classless idiots. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

20. So you must support shitty behavor like those two women.

Speaks volumes about you.

[ronnykmarshall]

23. ooooo a threat!

Sorry, but I won't kiss someone's ass that defends a couple of assholes childish behavor for their vote.

[Sulawesi]

40. The point of post 7 was that you would not use that pic if it was a white guy in a suit.

I had the same reaction when I saw the photo...and I think post 7 is right on the mark.

[ronnykmarshall]

44. BULLSHIT

You can bet your ass I'd post it.

See my post below before you take that next leap and call me a racist.

I don't give a shit if they were whiter than the Queen Liz.

Assholes, are asshole.

So glad #7 and you think you can read my mind.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

67. 1) That's an idiotic response. 2) The woman on the right looks white to me. -nt

[NewHampster]

29. So Raven thinks that is class

Would you like to see me tear up an Obama or Edwards sign? My lawn had both Obama and Hillary and every snow storm I brought them all inside to keep warm.

Those women tearing the sign up should be ashamed of themselves and you if you had any class would be ashamed for them.

[Tellurian]

41. Yeah, Judge Judy would have a field day with these thugs..

then they wonder why self-control and manners are seriously lacking in their kids...

great role models for the community.. I think they post here, don't they?

[NewHampster]

56. Methinks they are the kids nt

[burythehatchet]

Their peronna reflects that of their candidate

[Joe Fields]

10. Just so you know, I don't support Obama. I DO support fair play.

And I think that what happened yesterday in Nevada is a clear example of how some people WILL STOP AT NOTHING in their ego driven quest for power.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. when they lose it always unfair. when they win everything is fair. nt

[Joe Fields]

19. Unfair is unfair. It shouldn't matter whose side you're on, if you care

about the constitutional rights of citizens and a sense of fair play.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

27. if there was any shred of evidence sure, but without any its a game of sour grapes

[Joe Fields]

33. Yeah, you hold on to that delusion.

Numerous reports. Numerous. Discount them, because it suits your agenda. That's another thing that disgusts me, how supporters of a candidate deify them. All of a sudden, their candidate can walk on water and do no wrong.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. and check the bullshit defence of those two.

[Bonobo]

14. Ha! Yeah, that's not racist! That is a really sick post, kid.

Find someone that, to you, looks low class because she is black and works for a living and then post it, calling them "low class".

Look in the mirror, bub.

[IndianaJones]

25. lmao...are you serious? nt.

[ronnykmarshall]

34. Woo! HOOO!

You get the prize for the knee jerk post of the day.

And by the way, "bub" I AM working class as well.

I don't give a fuck if those two were whiter than than fucking Queen Elisabeth. They're acting like a couple of assholes.

[Bonobo]

My apologies if it was not meant that way.

But if a Freeper had posted that same picture and said what you said, I daresay you would have reached a similar conclusion.

My apologies again if I erred in my judgment.

[MH1]

17. Making fun of someone who is rather upset. Classy.

When those people and their friends find out how Clinton folks are using this photo, do you think they will show up to vote for Clinton in November, if she gets the nomination?

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Oh by the way per the caption on yahoo ..

The photo was taken BEFORE the caucus started.

Cry me a fucking river.

[krabigirl]

52. LOL.

[otohara]

61. Possible Voter Suppression vs Two Women Tearing Up Signs

wow, that's a stretch.

[TwilightZone]

5. Yep, and from a totally unbiased source - precinct captains of the other campaigns.

No bias there.

[jefferson_dem]

6. For context...

Here ---> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

[mtnsnake]

15. The Clintons were the most honest campaigners in Nevada

until you can prove otherwise.

Now stop whining just because you got your asses handed to you on a silver platter, Clinton style! :smoke:

[Joe Fields]

24. As I said earlier in this thread. I do not support Obama.

Do you support the constitution? Let me ask you another question. How would you feel if you went to one of those caucus sites and was turned away, being denied your right to participate in the democratic process?

[mtnsnake]

26. Did I say you supported Obama? Did I mention his name in my post?

[Joe Fields]

35. Your insinuation that my post smacks of sour grapes is predictable.

For the record, it would disgust me if my candidate, who is Dennis Kucinich, pulled this type of behavior. It would be enough for me to cut my support of him. Or is it impossible for you to understand that there are still some of us here who believe in fair play, and actually get sickened by the type of behavior that went on in Nevada yesterday?

[CTLawGuy]

69. its ok

we'll take our 13 delegates to your 12.

maybe you can have the popular vote numbers framed and placed on your wall for posterity.

[creeksneakers2]

22. There were thousands of caucuses

Some problems are bound to turn up. Caucuses themselves are easy targets for disruptions.

One side is doing all the complaining. That's why it looks like one side committed all the offenses.

[zulchzulu]

28. I'm finding that some Clinton supporters call voter suppression "whining" very troubling

It should be the first thing that a TRUE Democrat would be troubled by when hearing about voter suppression. It should go beyond support for your candidate, especially if the candidate appears to have succeeded from the undemocratic process.

It's nothing new in this 2008 campaign. Hillary Clinton didn't want students who live in Iowa for nine months of the year to vote. The process of students who go to Iowa colleges and live out of state who caucus has happened since the first caucus there in 1972.

There are cases in New Hampshire where Clinton officials had Democratic party officials remove Obama supporters who were legally acting as observers at some polls. Exit polling that didn't jibe with Diebold machines in certain parts of New Hampshire have caused possible charges that a recount is in order. Does the Clinton campaign dare want to allow that? No.

Add that Bill Clinton comes across as a "Little League parent" and a "Olympic level whiner" adds to the disgusting mix.

South Carolina does not have a paper trail with their electronic voting machines. I smell a rat there as well.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. oh please

[Forrest Greene]

31. "This stinks as if Karl Rove played a hand in all of this."

Who is to say it's highly unlikely he didn't?

[Joe Fields]

38. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING would surprise me anymore.

[MagsDem]

32. No supporting links?

Where are the stories about this happening?

[Bonobo]

39. Here is a link to a massive number of supporting anecdotes.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

Please read if you have an open mind.

[MagsDem]

45. I read that....

But it sounds like sour grapes to me. Much ado about nothing. He didn't like that Hillary supporters were registering people, but he was registering people and he's an Obama supporter and that's okay?

He didn't believe someone with a Brooklyn accent lived in NV? Have you ever been to Nevada? LV is filled with residents that grew up all over the country. What a douche to stand up in the middle of a caucus and accuse someone of lying because they have a NY dialect. I live in Seattle, but I grew up on the northcoast and people ask me all the time if I did because I sound like I did. Doesn't change the fact that I have lived and voted here for 7 years.

He thinks a guy in a wheelchair pushed by his daughter, a Clinton supporter, really wanted to caucus for Edwards, instead of Clinton? What, the guy is not capable of telling his own daughter he wants to vote for Edwards?

Puhleease. The guy writing that sounds like an immature douchebag.

[mtnsnake]

43. Who needs any links when they've got innuendo & anecdotes from bloggers? (snicker)

[FunkyLeprechaun]

46. I'm sorry

That ever since I keep reading about Clinton and her actions... it's making me not want to vote in the GE if she ever becomes the nominee.

I know some pretty strong Dems who've been in the party a while and they couldn't vote for her. I don't understand why some people on here are supporting her, the tactics she uses are a bit underhanded.

That said, I hope either Obama or Edwards is the nominee in the end.

[Joe Fields]

48. It's sad that some dems rail at these kinds of tactics, when Bush or

other republicans use them, but either want to ignore them or justify them when their democratic candidate uses them.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

66. Completely agree

My family (who back Obama) are disgusted with Hillary's tactics.

I really don't think she has a chance against McCain in the GE (That is if they get the nominations). The key voters here are not just Democrats it is also disenfranchised Republicans and Independents who are centrist.

I really want a candidate that will take those votes plus the Democrats as well, either Obama or Edwards fit the bill. Hillary's very divisive and will turn off these voters and possibly make for a VERY CLOSE election.

My mum said to me earlier, "Maybe Obama is too nice?"

I said, "Maybe."

However, if HE did the dirty tactics... he'd look worse off. Clinton would tell the news media that Obama is sexist and try to win points for her team that way.

[MagsDem]

49. What tactics? Please, explain

I have said many times, I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but I will vote for whomever the nominee is in the GE. Just like I always do! But what are the tactics that you all are talking about. You complain and accuse, but you can't provide one bit of evidence. That's why people call you whiners.

We live in a democracy, and so far as the Dem nominee is concerned s/he will be chosen through the party system. May not be your favorite candidate -- lord knows I had to hold my nose to vote for Kerry. But that's the way it goes. Whining isn't going to change anything.

[AtomicKitten]

47. The student has become the master.

The Clintons were abused by the GOP for two decades and rather than learning from it, they are paying it forward by becoming the abuser of their opponents and the election system. Purposeful denial of the Clintons' outrageous behavior only makes it worse but does make Karl Rove smile.

[MagsDem]

50. WHAT outrageous behavior????

Please, this thread and half of DU is filled with this nonsense and there is not a shred of proof of any of it. Man, what a bunch of whiners. So far all I can see is that she is winning. Is that what you mean by "outrageous" behavior? She had the audacity to campaign and win? Guess what? She is leading in almost every poll for every state on Super Tuesday. Is that outrageous as well??? For shame, Hillary. How dare you?

Why don't you go out and talk to people? All you are exposed to here is the base. My take, when I talk to neighbors and friends is that they would like the Clinton years back, and women, especially, would like to see a woman finally elected president of this country.

[Joe Fields]

53. There are links within this thread. Look on the board.

You'll find a couple of different threads.

[MagsDem]

55. I read them -- and it's all just whining

Pathetic.

[AtomicKitten]

54. What really is sad is the denial.

* Kerrey: "Hussein. Muslim, Muslim. Hussein. Muslim."
* Shaheen: "Cocaine, cocaine, drug-dealing. Cocaine."
* Mark Penn: "Cocaine, cocaine, cocaine. Cocaine."
* 3 midlevel HRC staffers caught distributing "Obara.Muslim.Fear" emails.
* Clinton campaign pimping the notion that brown people won't vote for black people.
* Clinton invoking the fear card by referencing al Queda and what is sure to be an imminent attack if SHE isn't elected.
* Clinton by proxy filing a lawsuit to suppress the vote.
* etc., etc., and on and on

Get the picture yet? No?

Open your eyes.

[MagsDem]

57. So what you're saying is Clinton is responsible for her supporters...

But Obama is not responsible for his. Do I have that right? And also, havent we spent years railing about the alcoholic and his cocaine addled past? But it's fine if Obama used to do cocaine? Honestly, I don't think I want an ex cocaine user in charge of the country. Is there some reason I shouldn't know about that given that it's true?

So, no, I don't get the picture. And my preference is Edwards, so I'm not a Clinton supporter defending Clinton. And I'm not in denial. I'm just a Dem wondering why Obama's supporters are so whiny.

[AtomicKitten]

58. Not supporters, directly from her campaign and from her surrogates.

Please keep turning a blind eye to election manipulation. The GOP thanks you since the 2000 coup d'etat was sloppy. It helps to have people like you not only in denial but insisting on it! Well done.

Beware of anybody trying to suppress the vote.

[MagsDem]

60. Oh get over yourself

There is no election manipulation going on here. Your guy not winning does not equal election manipulation. There is not a shred of proof of any such thing. I think some people just need to grow up and realize their candidate isn't always the winner. Honestly, the immaturity of the Obama supporters here is really a turn off. He strikes me as a bit immature as well, so maybe he just attracts those sort of people.

[AtomicKitten]

62. Riiiiight!! And denial is just a river in Egypt.

Please continue your amusing campaign of denial, the campaign of dis/misinformation that further underscores the fact that the Clintons will stop at nothing to win.

Voter suppression and intimidation isn't okay when the GOP does it, and it sure as hell isn't okay when the Clintons do it.

We've got your/their number and aren't going to allow yet another uber-ambitious politician TAKE yet another election regardless of which side of the aisle they are on.

[Joe Fields]

63. How sad it is, Atomic, that this kind of excuse making comes from progressives.

[AtomicKitten]

64. It breaks my heart, really.

:(

[nashville_brook]

65. guess she's the most "electible"...... if by electible you mean using suppression

and any means necessary to "win."

[GalleryGod]

68. Hi,Joe! Good to see you!