Hillary Clinton campaigns in Harlem

[goldcanyonaz]

Fresh from winning Nevada caucuses with the help of Latinos, Hillary Rodham Clinton Sunday resumed her courtship of African-Americans by attending a service honoring Martin Luther King, Jr., at a prominent Harlem church. But the boos that mingled with cheers during her uptown visit underscored the tough battle she faces in wresting black voters from rival Barack Obama.

"You've come to Harlem to steal the black vote!" a small but boisterous group of Obama protesters shouted as Clinton stood outside the Abyssinian Baptist Church to receive the endorsement of its influential pastor, the Rev. Calvin O. Butts.

"Harlem for Obama!" the protesters repeated so loudly that at some points they drowned out Butts' endorsement. When Clinton passed cups of steaming coffee to the crowd on the bitterly cold day, one man shouted, "I don't want your coffee!"

"Hillary! Hillary!" a group of Clinton supporters shouted back.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushill0121,0,6894207.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlines

[Frances]

1. Hillary will do more for African Americans and all Americans than Obama

in my opinion.

[journalist3072]

3. I agree with you there!!!! eom

[awaysidetraveler]

109. Good for Hillary, welcome to Harlem. Here's Obama's message about MLK.

If you're tired of spin and ready for a message of substance, read a little of this speech by Obama.
It is a message of unity that all of us can learn from.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/CGxG9

Please join us in 2008

[janetblond]

126. Why can't we all just be "Americans"?

What's with the "african" crap.
Guiliani isn't referred to as "the first Italian-American to run for President" ... blah blah blah
As long as we continue to color-code people, we will never have a colorless society.
Same with Bill Richardson. I mean who the heck cares if his mother was latino?
The whole "race" issue is so silly and obnoxious.
Maybe we should vote by hair-color, ... or eye color.
If I said I choose the blue-eyed candidate ... now how stupid is that!!?
And why do Demo candidates break out in a "black dialect" when they're at black churches?
Like they're some southern baptist ... "preachin'" to da choir".
Frankly, I think this is offensive.
Why don't they talk the way they normally do?
Why put on this "act" to get votes?
It's unnecessary, IMHO.

[Skwmom]

135. With a bitterly divided country and Congress.

As usual NOTHING will get done for the American people.

[journalist3072]

2. "You've come to Harlem to steal the Black vote." WTF??? Some of Obama's supporters are the worst

people...

His candidacy brings out the worst in them.

[Cameron27]

5. The fools don't realize

how much this kind of behavior backfires on them.

[NJObamaWoman]

11. Well you are going to need those fools if you think HRC will get

the democratic ticket. Calling them fools for disagreeing wont help your candidate in the future.

[Cameron27]

127. I'm not calling them fools for disagreeing,

I'm calling them fools for the way they disagreed. Accusing someone of stealing the votes, with absolutely no proof to back it up is foolish.

[BeyondGeography]

23. Really? Who's going to make them pay?

Hillary, when she loses in the general because she alienated people whose votes she desperately needs?

[Cameron27]

37. Make them pay?

It's going to cost Obama votes IMO, and to tell you the truth, I hope they keep it up.

[BeyondGeography]

56. Self-destructive

you hope black voters keep dogging Hillary, someone who'll need every Democratic vote she can get if she's the nominee because she is weaker than day-old coffee with independents and Republicans.

Really smart.

[Cameron27]

61. If the press airs a story

about an Obama supporter of any color, accusing Clinton of stealing the black vote, it will backfire on Obama. She's strong and she'll stay strong. As Maya said, "Rise, Hillary, rise."

[kickitup]

120. Maya

Maya should be ashamed of herself. And to think that woman used to be close to Malcolm X. He is probably rolling over in his grave.

[Cameron27]

125. YOU should be ashamed of yourself.

Maya is an admirable and honorable woman.

[Marrah_G]

137. What a disgusting post

You are berating a VERY good woman for having a mind of her own and choosing her OWN candidate.

How dare you.

[gaiilonfong]

79. make them pay LIKE THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM

is that what you mean HILLARY supporter.
In other words the African-American should just vote for Hillary and if they don't MAKE THEM PAY.....

HOW PATHETIC

[Cameron27]

91. You can't stop spewing nonsense,

and now I'm done with you OBAMA supporter.

[gaiilonfong]

101. AWWWWWwww I am so upset

NOT

[Cha]

104. Look who's callin' names.

[Cameron27]

114. Who's calling names?

[NJObamaWoman]

6. Its true. She wants to steal the black vote. She wont get mine.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. She's got mine, and New Jersey will be an easy win for her.

By the way, I'm in Arizona and my community supports her in great numbers.

[NJObamaWoman]

20. LOL wait until Feb 5.

Check this out....http://www.montclairtimes.com/page.php?page=16565 HRC maybe in for a big shock. I'm in NJ and many of the big cities support Obama.

[goldcanyonaz]

36. I'll supply you with the Kleenex on February 5th.

[NJObamaWoman]

41. No thanks you can keep them. You'll need them more than me :)

[goldcanyonaz]

48. Unlike you, I'll support the nominee, not trash fuck them.

[goldcanyonaz]

51. Wrong place.

[MADem]

63. You are suggesting that a little debate in Montclair using stand-ins is indicative of anything?

You might be in for a bit of a surprise, I am afraid, if you're relying on those sorts of data points.

[NJObamaWoman]

66. No thats just a little taste to come.

[MADem]

81. I don't mean to be unkind, but that link was apropos of absolutely nothing. NT

[NJObamaWoman]

86. No thats your opinion and I respect that.

That point is that the straw poll was a small sample of how some NJ residents feel. I admit it may not represent everyone. But by going to many of the major cities in NJ I do see tons of support for Barack over Clinton. All I'm saying is that people might be shocked on Feb 5 regarding NJ. NJ isn't a lock for Clinton.

[Cameron27]

13. The black vote is owned?

How insulting you are to the AA community.

[robbedvoter]

34. It's in Obama's lock box. Hillary was trying to break in - but they caught her!

:rofl:

[journalist3072]

40. No, it's not....We are not a monolithic group. Never have been, never will be.

And I think that's the way it should be.

Frankly, that's one of the reasons I'm so turned off from the Obama campaign right now...because of the way they've used venues like the Tom Joyner Morning Show, to get those of us in the A-A community to engage in group think.

[skooooo]

88. In the same way....

...I wonder if he assumes white people won't vote for him? It kind of turns me off too, but I still like him.

[Marrah_G]

139. I get especially pissed at the attacks on AA women

This bullshit that they are required to vote for a black man over a woman because they are black is just as insulting as someone telling me that I have to vote for Hillary over Obama because I am a woman or Hillary over Edwards because I am a woman.

Again with the BS that women need to somehow be told how they should be voting.


Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[journalist3072]

24. And just how, exactly, does she want to "steal" the Black vote? Last time I checked, she wanted to

EARN our votes.

I am an African-American woman, and I'm proudly supporting Sen. Clinton. I've been absolutely disgusted with the way the Obama campaign (with the help of people like Tom Joyner) have tried to pimp those of us in the Black community, and encourage us to engage in group think (i.e. get behind the Black candidate).

For example, when Michelle Obama was asked by a reporter some time ago, why her husband wasn't doing better among Black voters, she said she was convinced that "Black America will wake up and get it." So in other words, those of us in the Black community who do NOT support her husband, don't "get it?"

Then, when Michelle Obama appeared on Tom Joyner's mornin show, he asked her "What is up with Black women?" Meaning, he felt there was something wrong with any Black woman (like me) not supporting Obama.

Then let's talk about Barack Obama's comments on Tavis Smiley's show. Tavis asked Obama about the notion that some people in our community apparently have, that if we would support Obama the way we supported Jesse Jackson when he ran, then Sen. Clinton would have to pack her bags and go home. Obama responded "There's no doubt that if we consolidate the Black vote, this would be a different race."

My friend, Sen. Clinton is not trying to STEAL the Black vote.

And Barack Obama is doing nothing to try to earn it. He's done nothing to elevate the level of conversation in our community. He simply wants us to get behind the Black candidate (him).

[oasis]

54. How's it stealing the black vote? And don't say all blacks are supposed to vote for

a black candidate, because that's just stupid.

[CarolNYC]

76. stealing, tricking, etc...

And then there's this from a 45 year old Harlem Obama supporter who was there this morning:

“For her to come here and try to trick us out of the black vote is a sham,” Mr. Hunt said. “It’s a sad day in Harlem.”

What the hell are these people talking about??? "Steal the black vote"? "Trick us out of the black vote?" WTF?!?!

Looks like they succeeded in "tricking" this one: “As a black person, I’m still not going in this for race,” said Ms. Facey. “Hillary stands for the people.”

Quotes from this story: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/clintonblack/

[oasis]

84. Thanks. Some Obamamites are allowing their emotions to cloud their logic.

[Cameron27]

97. Unfortunately you're right.

[MethuenProgressive]

70. Does she have a mask and a gun? Is your vote on the nightstand?

"Steal"... what a silly fear.

[ArkySue]

129. How??

How will Hillary "steal" the black vote? Just because she campaigns in Harlem, where Bill has his office? That's funny. ha. ha.

[Marrah_G]

138. "steal the black vote" ?

So all black people should not think for themselves or vote for whom they want?

Talk about racist and bigeted BS.

[Jamastiene]

17. The Clintons aren't perfect, but at least Hillary acts

appropriately at these events. Obama has a contingency of trouble makers in his midst that he needs to reign in if we are going to have a nonviolent campaign season. That certain bunch of his supporters tend to want to make trouble a bit too much. I sense a tension that is brewing that may cross the line at some point if he doesn't have a talk with some of his supporters.

[journalist3072]

30. I wholeheartedly agree...

[NJObamaWoman]

39. Both sides are bad. There were nasty HRC supporters at the

Jersey City rally for Obama. Its both sides people.

[rodeodance]

22. those comments are rude.

[loveangelc]

32. yes, I'm positive that can't be said of Hillary's supporters.

[oasis]

52. A sickening display by the Obama supporters in Harlem.

[Essene]

119. Yea, it's SICKENING when blacks protest and carry signs... (good grief)

What's sickening is the posturing on DU.

[oasis]

124. They were hollering stupid comments at Hillary. If you believe that's

appropriate then don't assume that you've any claim to the "moral high ground" in this situation.:eyes:

[durrrty libby]

74. Someone needs to remind them that it is the repukes who steal votes

[robbedvoter]

116. It had to be said. Lots of confusion here.

[NJObamaWoman]

4. Good. Why don't she go back to her latinos who love her.

[goldcanyonaz]

7. Is that all you got? Ebony and Ivory, was obviously not a song on your playlist.

:rofl:

[durrrty libby]

35. These people are crazy

:crazy:

[goldcanyonaz]

43. No shit. It's not a campaign, it's a cult.

[Cameron27]

8. What the hell does that mean?

Hillary Clinton is free to campaign anywhere the hell she wants to campaign.

[cali]

50. And they're free to say what they want.

That's the way it works.

[ronnykmarshall]

15. oh that's nice.

[ArkySue]

18. You got something against Latinos?

Sounds racist to me.

[NJObamaWoman]

28. No but when I hear HRC people talk about how the Latinos

are so important. How some don't care to vote for a black person. That offends me and my black skin. IMHO HRC played the race card and I'm angry at her campaign.

[ArkySue]

128. The OP is quoting a news report, not HRC folks.

So much for racial harmony. :/

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Pretty fucked up.

[rodeodance]

26. very offensive comment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Why Do You Want To Play Black Folk Against Brown Folk?

We're all in this ship together; white and Asian folks too...

[NJObamaWoman]

53. I'm not playing it. It started with HRC.

When her pollster said that Latinos wont vote for a black man. How the hell do you think as a black woman I feel about that. Hey they could have said that they wont vote for Obama because of the issues but they made it about race. HRC didn't come out and say thats not true. Her people made this about the blacks and browns and I'm pissed about that. Now that she isn't in the west with the latinos now her campaign wants to court the black voters?

[MethuenProgressive]

72. Why are you so prejudiced against "her latinos", ObamaWoman?

Why so much hatred?

[Tellurian]

94. It's operatives like NJOW that keep stirring the pot..

know this..This is most likely an ORDER coming from the Obama Camp!

Obama needs the racial tension and hopefully a divide to win SC..

I hope Bill pins RonBama's ears to his head for forcing this racial uproar.

[MADem]

75. That was a bit....er, racist. You're certainly not helping your candidate with that crap.

Guess the Politics of Hope are turning into the Politics of Hopeless? Or are you even an Obama supporter? You sure don't sound like one with that kind of commentary.

Clinton has a right to campaign wherever she pleases, and especially when she is invited to receive an endorsement.

You also miss the point that she was campaigning amongst her constituents. She is, after all, the junior senator from NY.

[AX10]

98. Oye. You are not doing anyone any favors with that stupid comment.

[rodeodance]

9. "Fresh from winning Nevada caucuses"--Sweet.

[janetblond]

10. "Fresh from winning Nevada caucuses with the help of Latinos,"

"Hillary Rodham Clinton Sunday resumed her courtship of African-Americans by attending a service honoring Martin Luther King, Jr., at a prominent Harlem church. "
====================================================================================
====================================================================================
My prediction:

This will be the last election where any candidate will have to "court" the black vote.
It will be the latinos who control WHO wins elections.
Obama lost Nevada because of latinos.
Latinos will not vote for blacks.

[Cameron27]

16. We don't need racial stereotyping

of any kind.

[rodeodance]

31. HUH--what the heck are you implying?

[Cameron27]

44. I don't know that latinos won't vote for blacks, do you?

[rodeodance]

62. A big leap to say 'sterotyping"---Take it up with the author

[Cameron27]

67. Sorry, if the poster was only talking about demographics,

then I'll take it back. Again, sorry.

[janetblond]

112. I guess you didn't hear the news ....

In Nevada
68% of latinos voted for Hillary
24% voted for Obama
That's how Hillary won Nevada.

I guarantee those will be the stats across the country.

[Cameron27]

117. Yep, I jumped too fast

and I was wrong. I'm really sorry about that.

[janetblond]

110. Well yeah ..... I DO KNOW!

I work with a bunch of latinos and, my sister is married to a hispanic man.
They talk about THREE things:
work, immigration, and which political party is most favorable to immigrants.
Most have said they will vote for a Repukelicon before they vote for Obama IF Hillary is not the nominee.
What does THAT tell you?
Helllloooooooooooooooooo?
How many hispanics do YOU KNOW?
How many of them have you discussed politics with?
Hmmmmmm .. ??????

[Cameron27]

121. I know, I was wrong

I apologize.

(It's too late for me to edit those two posts)

[NJObamaWoman]

21. Thats really nice. But Hey HRC pollster already told us that.

As a black woman I will not vote for that woman. Keep your latinos if you don't respect black people like me.

[MS Liberal]

78. I am a black woman and I am voting for Hillary.

I will also vote for a Hispanic, a black man or a woman as long as I think they will do a good job.

For POTUS I am voting for Hillary. I have never considered Obama as a good choice because he does not have a strong national record and he is part of the Daily machine. He comes across as thin skinned. He has not been vetted enough and I do not want him to implode after the nomination. In other words, I do not want to roll the dice. After he has been in the national spotlight a little longer and no skeltons fall out of his closet, I'll probably be his number one supporter.

We as African American are blessed with a strong woman who is a supporter of our issues and a black man courting us for our vote. American is a great place to live. We need to sit back and enjoy the courtship. Why get mad because they both want us. The protester are idiots.

[durrrty libby]

113. You are a breath of fresh air MS Liberal. It is a beautiful thing

when sensible enters crazy town



:toast: :thumbsup: :hi: :yourock: :applause:

[Adelante]

25. "Latinos will not vote for blacks"

I think that is too limiting a statement. The West has largely Mexicans and maybe it's true there. But the East has Latinos from other places, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico, some countries in South America, who are frequently black, as well as Latino. It will be interesting to see where that vote ends up, but I wouldn't bank on it necessarily going where you want it to go.

[DJ13]

14. Hillary uses Southern drawl in the South

Does she Rap in Harlem?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

65. No, but she pop-and-locks like nobody's business.

[BeyondGeography]

19. Did she give her "it takes a white president to help a preacher get anywhere" speech?

Hillary brought this treatment on herself. Hope she heard the message loud and clear.

[Name removed]

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[BeyondGeography]

42. Perception is reality

Deal with it.

[Name removed]

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[maddiejoan]

95. Perception is reality

only to an Obama supporter. Perception is all he has.

[Essene]

122. That IS what she said. Don't lie. Just like Bill said...

a whole lot of even worse stuff.

Stop lying.

And stop pretending Obama supporters don't have some legitimate concerns.

[rodeodance]

38. No--but seems you did it for her.

[robbedvoter]

46. I thought Obama took that one back - not for long it seems...

[goldcanyonaz]

59. That's fucked up and not appropriate talk on any forum. She walks the talk.

[AX10]

99. Far left wingers such as yourself have been playing..

the race card from day in one in order to help Obama. Shelby Steele said this would happen and Obama's campaign would collapse.

[BeyondGeography]

105. She makes an asinine comment about Martin Luther King in white New Hampshire

and Obama is the one playing the race card.

You're confused.

[AX10]

107. Nothing she said was absurd.

Only the Obaministas think that the comment was absurd.

[oasis]

45. "Steal the black vote"?

Must be some delusional DU Obamazoids in the crowd.

[robbedvoter]

47. From the lock box, silly!

[goldcanyonaz]

55. More recommends please!

[MADem]

57. Do these idiots think they are HELPING???

"You've come to Harlem to steal the black vote!" a small but boisterous group of Obama protesters shouted ...

Didn't they get that "Politics of Hope" memo?

I will say, though, that Harlem politics are never dull--even the Good Reverend knows how to throw a subtle elbow! It sure make for good copy in the papers:

Butts, in turn, said his endorsement of Clinton had prompted angry phone calls from some parishioners. But, he added to a crowd outside the church, "a vote for Hillary is not a vote against Barack Obama or any community, be it African-American, Latino or any other." Instead, he said, it is a vote for the candidate "who has the vision and experience to make things happen."

But during his service, Butts couldn't resist a dig at Obama. After Clinton addressed parishioners, Butts said slyly: "Uh-huh. No teleprompter there. Isn't that something? A little scrap of paper but that's all." Obama has used a teleprompter in some speeches.

[TomClash]

58. Calvin O. Butts supported Giuliani! nt

[oasis]

64. self delete

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. Do You Have A Link?

~

[TomClash]

93. See above nt

[MADem]

80. No hit and runs allowed--you have to provide a link or be disregarded!

I seem to remember a dust up a decade ago where Reverend Cal called Mayor 911 a racist....

[CarolNYC]

87. He did support Guiliani....and he also called him a racist

if I remember correctly....

I have to confess, there was a time when I quite liked Guiliani myself (and I say that as a life-long, very liberal Democrat)....But boy did that change after his re-election as mayor! Now I think he's pretty much the embodiment of pure evil.

I think this is a great endorsement for Hillary....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. I Believe You Guys Are Mixing Him Up With Floyd Flake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Flake

It's kind of scary people are mixing them up...

[MADem]

100. No, I remember Rev Cal calling Rudy a racist. And I also remember the Pataki endorsement.

Rev Cal isn't stupid--his endorsements are really based on "What have you done for us lately, or over the LONG haul?"

He doesn't play political parties--he plays community assistance, and political results. He's also rather pragmatic. He'll endorse a Pataki who has provided economic development aid, especially when he KNOWS the guy is a shoo-in for reelection, anyway. I mean, really--that's just a smart move. Jump on the winning train, and all that. And then force the hand of the winner to provide MORE assistance for the community as a thank you.


I know Flake, and I am not conflating the two, really.

[CarolNYC]

102. Except that I'm not....

I'm actually mixing up Giuliani with Pataki, who Rev. Butts did support for re-election...Sorry about that. Butts did call Rudy a racist though. :)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. I Think He Has Him Mixed Up With Floyd Flake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Flake

It's kind of scary that he would mix them up...

[TomClash]

92. But before that he was a Giuliani backer . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/05/AR2007030501187.html

That's no the only Republican he supported. He supported Pataki's re-election: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E7DF173AF930A25753C1A96E958260

[CarolNYC]

106. I think you missed this correction....

on the top of that article:

CORRECTION TO THIS ARTICLE
A March 6 op-ed column incorrectly stated that the Rev. Calvin O. Butts endorsed Rudolph W. Giuliani for election as New York's mayor in 1997. Rev. Butts endorsed Giuliani's challenger, Ruth Messinger.

You're right on Pataki, though.

[TomClash]

130. He endorsed Giuliani in 1993 though - see link

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9901E1DF1139F931A15756C0A96E958260

[CarolNYC]

131. Could you point me to the passage in that article...

where it says Butts endorsed Giuliani, please? I'm not seeing it.

[TomClash]

133. Here

But as he aged, Mr. Butts said, and after Republicans won control of City Hall and the Governor's mansion, he found himself wanting ''to be able to negotiate rather than have to get out in the street all the time.''

When Mr. Giuliani, as a candidate in 1993, showed up one day to discuss economic development, Mr. Butts said he was charmed.

''I said, 'Let's watch and see what happens,' '' he recalled.


He had split with David Dinkins, a man of class and honor, at the time. That's something I know personally - I don't have a link for that.

[CarolNYC]

134. Where do you get an endorsement out of that?

Kind of a stretch, don't you think? If that's the best you can come up with, I'll have to conclude that he never endorsed Giuliani. Thanks for the response.

[TomClash]

136. Read it as you will nt

[goldcanyonaz]

82. And? Or, is this one of those, he's a sellout posts.

[rodeodance]

60. says the Pastor: a vote for Hil is a vote for candidate "who has the vision and experience to make

.........Butts, in turn, said his endorsement of Clinton had prompted angry phone calls from some parishioners. But, he added to a crowd outside the church, "a vote for Hillary is not a vote against Barack Obama or any community, be it African-American, Latino or any other." Instead, he said, it is a vote for the candidate "who has the vision and experience to make things happen."

[Hekate]

68. Harlem: Where the Big Dog founded his post-presidential offices, right? Supposed to be friends there

I'm sorry she got heckled, regardless of who the Harlemites decide to vote for in the end.

Hekate

[robbedvoter]

108. Funny you should mention that - I was there at the inauguration

Here's my article
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=3913
Charlie Rangel was saying: "Sometimes you know someone by his friends, sometimes by his enemies. There was no one who tried to kick this man down that did not try to kick us down first!" I felt the ground shake with the crowd reaction. He also addressed the hecklers: "I'd like to thank my Republican friends in Congress for sponsoring this group."

He then introduced Bill as "The last President elected in this country," adding that "If we'd have our way, we'd re-elect him all over again!" The crowd was positively jumping!
He addressed the hecklers too: "I see a sign there: 'What did you do for Harlem as President?' That's a fair question. First, I promised I would turn the economy around, then I made sure I invested about $600,000,000 in Harlem so I think I did keep my promises to Harlem."

[Hekate]

132. Good article -- thanks for sharing.

Charlie Rangel is a wise and cunning old fox, isn't he?

Anyhow, Bill Clinton knows who his friends are, and I know he hopes to pull them along to Hillary's side. We'll see how that goes.

Hekate

[jefferson_dem]

69. Here's a visual...from Harlem today.

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[jefferson_dem]

73. Are you proposing that be done?

Seems kind of harsh to me. :shrug:

[Essene]

118. Spare us your indignation... thanks

It's obnoxious.

[Cha]

111. That's beautiful! It's good to

when people aren't fallin' for the hillaryhype and the billbullshit.

[robbedvoter]

115. Wow! that's a big sign! I am so impressed

I thought you had a photo with actual people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. Why Can't Be Friends?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DmYLrxR0Y8

[skooooo]

85. Wow!

Wish I could be a fly on the wall sometimes.

[AX10]

96. Obama even has the hecklers like Bush did in 2000.

His campaign is Bush 2000 redux.

[MADem]

103. Well, on the bright side, it ain't like 2004

No people dressed up like giant flip flops, or whatever....

[Essene]

123. Or maybe most of Harlem saw the race baiting and doesnt approve

Unlike the clowns on DU who pretend Obama's the next Hitler.