Why is it that time after time after time Clinton comes in last on DU?

[Seen the light]

She's always comes in last place in polls here when people ask for their favorite candidate. She always comes in first when people ask which candidate they would like to see get the nomination least.

Why do you think that is?

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Clinton-haters outnumber the Clinton supporters?

:shrug:

[LittleClarkie]

51. She's not been a favorite for as long as I've been here.

It's going on 4 years now.

Why would they have to be haters? They disagree with her, at the least. Many here are progressive. She is not.

[Nite Owl]

55. No, most don't 'hate'

her at all. I don't. I just don't agree with her political stands or the way she is campaigning.

[zanne]

2. Because her supporters keep shouting other people down. nt

[niceypoo]

24. Now thats a reasoned response!

:rofl:

[Kucinich4America]

39. It's absolutely true though

They're like a bunch of keyboard Sean Hannitys. :puke:

[sonroadera]

Because she is our worst candidate

All of the other candidates are much, much better.

[MADem]

3. DU never votes for the winner? NT

[HughMoran]

17. lol

There is some truth to that, though Al Gore did win.

[MADem]

34. Al Gore would have been raked over the coals as a white, southern

corporate STOOLIE who is too much of a DLC/Centrist with a wife who wanted to prevent musicians from expressing themselves, had DU been in operation back then.

Much of this invective would have been thrown by the Bill Bradley camp, and the Gore-ites would have responded with insightful comments like "Well, Bradley has a fucking BASKETBALL growing out of his neck--that CHIN thing of his makes him look like a Thanksgiving TURKEY!!!"

There probably would have been a sizeable NADER contingent who would keep disrupting, despite moderator warnings, and screaming about how "All the parties are alike!! Corporatist PIGS!!! Ralph is the ONLY one who REALLY UNDERSTANDS the issues!"

I shudder to think about it. Lotsa heat, little light. Oh well, it warms the house in winter!

[Kittycat]

4. DLC isn't favored here? And we don't like Rovian Politics?

[Bicoastal]

5. Simple answer?

Because as the frontrunner, she logically has two people who are running against her lead--thus, two groups of supporters who dislike her.

That's also why Edwards usually comes in first in those polls, BTW.

[Bright Eyes]

6. As another DUer said;

The DU is not a cross section of America. (I can't remember who said that, but it's right on).

[MADem]

36. I say it regularly. But I'm not the only one.

This place is well to the left end of the Big Democratic Tent, overall. There are a few moderates and centrists here, but they have to have stiff spines because they are in the minority.

[thunder rising]

7. Maybe 'cause we're the educated interested portion of the population

that gives-a-$hit about the primaries? I don't know, but people here seem to be able to think for themselves.

[journalist3072]

13. What? So are you saying that anyone who does support her, isn't educated? WTF?

[sniffa]

29. For the most part, yes.

The rest are just ignorant, and love the name.

You're welcome.

[journalist3072]

33. Grow up. eom

[sniffa]

35. I'm already grown up.

Thanks for noticing. :patriot:

[journalist3072]

37. I think not my friend.

[sniffa]

38. I think so my friend.

[burythehatchet]

46. I've been packin heat while posting lately

[mondo joe]

18. Way to insult your fellow DUers as well as the members of the Democratic Party.

I wonder who hates Dems more - Freepers, or you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. It's Actually That Condescending Attitude That Turns Off A Lot Of Folks To Democrats

We don't talk to people ...We demean them...

[mondo joe]

31. There is a vocal population on DEMOCRATic Underground that has nothing but disadain

for the principles of democracy, and nothing but disrespect for the people.

[MH1]

8. DUer's see through her facade?

:shrug:

We know she'd do anything or say anything to win...what we don't know is how far to the right she'll veer to solidify and maintain her grip on power.

[fenriswolf]

9. because the media chooses the candidates

their are just enough sheeple to be told what to do.

[Tennessee Gal]

10. It would seem that people who post here don't like her or

don't trust her.

There is also the possibility that people here are afraid she will not beat the Republican nominee.

[joshcryer]

11. A lot of neutrals or Clinton supportors have a crapload of "them" on ignore.

How can they be responded to when they're not seen?

[eleny]

Historically, DUers have in my observation been more liberal than HRC

[joshcryer]

19. "Liberal" DUers want "moderate" judges in the SCOTUS? Interesting.

[eleny]

30. I don't

If what you say is true, my guess is that people know they would have a hard time getting a fellow liberal appointed to the Court. A moderate is only a compromise.

I'm still sorry that Mario Cuomo didn't take Clinton's offer. So I question your assertion.

[northzax]

40. but then what explains the support

for obama, who has more conservative positions on basically everything?

[eleny]

42. I believe that people want a completely new person in the Executive

Now, pardon me if I don't engage you for too long at this but I'm in mourning right now. I'm a Kucinich supporter. So please take the last word if you wish.

[northzax]

49. I explained my thinking further down in post #48

I am sorry for your loss, but now is not the time to leave the field of battle, unless you believe none of the remaining candidates are better than any republican one, lick your wounds and get back in the saddle, we have an election to win, its gonna be a long ten months!

[eleny]

57. See you in the trenches!

[Yael]

12. People on DU are informed as to the issues and they pay attention

as opposed to letting the M$M tell them what they think.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Hard to believe but she's been gaining support around here.

:woohoo:

[Barack_America]

15. Because people on DU are informed about politics...

And people who are informed about politics....well, I'll leave that to you.

[RiverStone]

47. Bingo!

:hi:

[IndianaJones]

16. because DU hasn't picked a winner since Truman. nt.

[Alexander]

20. Because this is a generally liberal website, and she's certainly not a liberal.

[Barack_America]

22. Amen! n/t

[bellasgrams]

52. Funny thing, I was listening to C-Span awhile ago and they

were talking about how liberal she is.

[sniffa]

21. Probably because she not only sucks

but will be the death of the party.

If she gets the nomination, blame her supporters instead of say, Nader, or fraud, or fill in the blank.

[niceypoo]

26. You forgot to mention your hero, Ken Starr

Might as well toss him into your bag of hate.

[sniffa]

28. Yeah, that's my hero.

You're fucking brilliant. :patriot:

[usregimechange]

25. DU is progressive, mostly.

[Richard Steele]

27. Because DUers don't like her.

Duh.

[formernaderite]

32. because the typical DUer is not a party hack

rather we are conscientious progressives open to many differing opinions, and generally wanting a change from the status quo that never moves things forward.

[hayu_lol]

41. Most of our polls, as are the polls on many sites, are subject to action alerts...

on other sites.

Lets take Dennis for an example. Nationwide, he polls down around 1%. Here on random polls, he has had some poll totals of 40% or better. That is not realistic and is not reflected by reality polls.

Perhaps Hillary supporters have been ignoring some of the repetitive polls on these DU threads.

Compare any of these ramdon polls with any or all of the national polls and the difference is quite clear.

[robbedvoter]

43. It used to be EU here - now it's OU - ask this again in 2 weeks or so.

I remember those waves in 2004 as well

[paulk]

44. this is a good thing for HRC

actually it's a good thing for any candidate with half a hope of winning an election...

why?

because DU isn't representative of the Democratic Party.

[suston96]

45. It's probably Freudian....an underlying mother conflict in most people's psyches.

[northzax]

48. because it's easy to be contrary on du

I am suprised there wasn't a gravel club here, frankly. There are more kucinich supporters here that he got votes in Iowa and New Hampshire combined. Edwards runs away with polls here, but lags, big time, in the real world. It's the same reason the freepers liked Hunter and FreddieT, it's east to support a nonviable candidate on an anonymous message board. No one wants to be seen supporting the frontrunner of a year, much better to support your esoteric outlier and then the insurgent candidate, much cooler than supporting the leader. We can make valiant statements like 'I will never vote for hillary' you notice you never see the Hillary people saying 'I will never vote for Edwards/kucinich/gravel/dodd (etc) if he is the nominee' because they don't need to make dramatic statements to get attention, because they are winning. (note I specifically did not include Obama on that list, but a month ago I would have, now that he is a challenge, hillaryites are paying attention.) and all the self-percieved outsiders, the ones who picked anyone but the front runner, are picking anyone but Hillary, the perceived insider, to prove our outsider credibility. If obama or Edwards had spent the past year as the frontrunner, we'd be piling on them.

[dailykoff]

50. She didn't hire enough sock puppets.

Cheapskate.

[Captain Hilts]

53. DU is not representative of Democratic voters. It skews left and it skews male. nt

[Bitwit1234]

54. I guess most left because they couldn't tell it like it is.

[Jed Dilligan]

56. Maybe because we are populated by Bush haters more than partisans

and thus we are more closely reflective of the country-at-large's opinions of Hillary Clinton.

[Zorra]

58. Many folks at DU believe that the elimination of corporate influence

from our government is hands down the most critical issue of our time, and that if this issue is not resolved, our democracy and our country in general will continue to decline.

To my knowledge, Sen. Clinton has not addressed this issue in any way; I do not believe that she has even spoken a word about it.

[marlakay]

59. We are all activists and Hillary used to be that way

but I don't see her as that now and maybe others agree with me. I think she is part of the Washington in crowd. Obama and John are fresher blood.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

60. Because this isn't the First Church Of Hillary Clinton

Democratic Underground is filled with contrarians and free thinkers who are a tough crowd and a tough sell. They need to be thoroughly convinced with facts and not preached to about having faith in someone. And to me there are scores of Hillary missionaries at this website who seem to have caught the religion.

[CubsWaitNoYankees]

61. Simple, she's Bush lite.

And so are her supporters. What do you expect from someone chummy with McCain.