Hillary fans, a question.

[fenriswolf]

I don't know about this and I havn't heard anything but since the NIE report came out what is hillaries position on IRAN? has she been silent on this issue? or non commited?

[Dogmudgeon]

1. Whatever it is, it's wrong.

--p!

[KennedyGuy]

3. I see you got the memo

[MyNameGoesHere]

2. Baseball has fans, football has fans

this is a fight for the very soul of a country. A little more respect huh?

[sniffa]

8. Melodramatic much?

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. I can't even compare with you

i mean for gods sake your photo of mercer totally take up half my screen. And by the way, are you a "fan" or a supporter?

[sniffa]

14. Big fan

Or as we call ourselves, Mercernaries.

[fenriswolf]

16. OMG I love that....Mercenaries.

[MyNameGoesHere]

24. I read his manifesto, or whatever it is

and my ears started bleeding. It may be fine but if politics are that complicated i would just rather move to another country. :)

[fenriswolf]

12. seeing as how alot of hill and obama "fans"

act like football fans at a game when trying to have a discussion I think i'm going to have to stick to my use of grammer.

[JuniperLea]

15. Interesting you should say this about being a football fan...

I get a sense that far too many people are taking the "Rah Team Yay Go!" mentality in this primary. Instead of voting their conscience as they should, so many are clamoring to get on the "winning team". I think this not only sucks out loud, but it points to the fact that far too many are ignorant in their social responsibilities where elections are concerned.

[fenriswolf]

19. that's kinda what i was pointing out

to eager to "pounce" and "slam" the other team then take a long hard look at your own candidate and say, "i like some of the qualities, but others show that my candidate is fatally flawed." no one does that. Instead its "ohh ohh look at what she/he just did"

[JuniperLea]

39. Yep!

Look at the "other team's fumbles" instead of looking closely at the issues and deciding which candidate more closely represents your ideals.

Sad, isn't it? Politics is NOT a team sport, fcol!

[Hobarticus]

32. I think you nailed it...

Being on the "winning team" is a perfect explanation why the GOP was able to get so many people to vote against their self-interests for so long.

[JuniperLea]

38. Nail, meet hammer!

Indeed. Your are so right. This is a very important lesson that too few seem to be getting around here! Frustrating as all hell too.

[maddiejoan]

4. I don't believe it's changed

and why should it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gen-wesley-clark/i-support-hillarys-posit_b_67170.html

[fenriswolf]

5. OK so the two points from that article is

a. the president cannot attack without approval from congress.
b. wes thinks hills vote for the IWR resolution was a good thing

So that article tells me nothing except that if anyone attacks iran its gonna be hillary.

[maddiejoan]

6. How you get there

from the article I linked to is beyond me.

[fenriswolf]

9. here

a. "If the administration believes that any, any use of force against Iran is necessary the President must come to Congress to seek that authority."

b. I support Hillary in both these votes

I didn't see a whole lot more in that article about how she feels about iran

got any quotes saying "since they don't have nuclear weapons and no intentions of obtaining them I have no plans of attacking irae" or something to that nature.

[maddiejoan]

11. She has never said she had plans to attack Iran

So why does she need to say she won't?

Should she also state all the other Countries she doesn't plan to attack?

I suppose the fact that Wes Clark supports Hillary's position and links to his StopIranWar.com website isn't clear enough for you?

[fenriswolf]

13. well since the big question of this country is will we attack.

I think it would be a great position to take for her to say she wont. Especially after the IWR resolution.

your second point is silly.

What does wes clark have to do with hillaries position. I asked for her position on iran not wes clarks position on hillaries foreign policy.

so your answer is no, she has not stated she will not go to war with iran thank you.

I like Dennis's answer alot better "that's insane"

[maddiejoan]

22. And if she did say --

"I will not go to war with Iran"

I'd call her an idiot.

What she has said is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-DVmkAAZHA&eurl=http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/Video_Hillary_on_Iran.html

[fenriswolf]

23. alright well thanks for the non answer

I love orwellian language and arguments.

[maddiejoan]

25. you should

you seem to be a master of it.

[fenriswolf]

27. hay im just looking for a simple answer to a simple question

[maddiejoan]

29. and I gave you one

The fact that you didn't like the answer is not my concern.

[fenriswolf]

30. you gave me a link

to an article written by wes clark. and a link to a youtube video (im at work, cant hear audio) and you just can't come out and tell me that she does not want to go to war with iran. She is not bringing it up at all and the current administration if they don't attack iran before they leave are gonna leave america in a faceoff with iran and the only thing to do would be either say were attacking or we are backing off. She is not backing off and if she was not planning on doing anything she would be making this a huge issue.

short answer. If she can't say no she's not planning anything then their must be a reason for it. thanks.

[maddiejoan]

35. The link I gave you

is of Hillary on Iran.

You asked for it --I gave it to you --and now you complain to me that you can't hear it?

She has said she is against pre-emptive War

She has said authorization for War MUST come from Congress, and requires full Congressional Approval

She has said she favors negotiation with Iran, but that she needs a "big stick"

She is for "stepped up diplomacy" not Military action in Iran.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/Clinton_plays_defense_on_Iran.html

She has been saying this since her K/L vot and her position is unchanged. I see no reason for it to change.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=269287&&

[fenriswolf]

36. thanks that is a much simpler answer

dont agree with some points but that is a much clearer answer.

[JuniperLea]

42. I know you are but what am I?

:eyes:

[Yossariant]

7. Fans are for Barack

Others of us are grown-ups.

[JuniperLea]

17. Hear hear!!!

And welcome to DU, Yossariant! See my post above... thinking along the same, "Yay team" lines.

If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people around here?

:shrug:

[Yossariant]

31. Thanks, Juniperx.

Still lurking a lot and learning.

:hi:

[JuniperLea]

40. I lurked for almost two years before posting...

I was afraid to! I started lurking during a presidential campaign;)

:hi:

[sniffa]

18. I think you mispelled grown-ups

[MonkeyFunk]

20. You used to be OK

now you're just mean.

And your sigline is way too big and obnoxious.

[sniffa]

21. I used to be ok huh?

As much as I appreciate the softer, gentler MonkyFunk, I know that statement by you is disingenuous.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. I didn't say I liked you

I said you were OK, which meant you kept your meanness confined to a few threads in the lounge, and occasionally offered something worthwhile. Occasionally funny, once in awhile had a kind word.

Now you spread your nastiness everywhere with one-liners and emoticons, and you're ubiquitous.

[Yossariant]

28. And I KNOW you misspelled "misspell"

;-)

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. However, you don't begin a sentence with the word "and."

;)

[Yossariant]

34. And, why not?

Sure, I can. And you can, too.

Ya gotta know da rules before ya try ta enforce 'em. ;-)

[fenriswolf]

37. better answer is

"this is not ameri-can't, this is ameri-can"

[JuniperLea]

44. It's absolutely proper... eom

[JuniperLea]

43. Zing! Rim shot!

[JuniperLea]

41. Where would we be without the grammar and spelling police?

Don't we have more important things to slam each other about???

:hi:


My great-granny, who grew up in Victorian times, said it was impolite to point out the mistakes of others. She also said it was impolite to point out etiquette infractions. She would be none too happy with any of us right now.

For future reference, if you feel the need to correct someone's spelling or grammar, the polite way to go about that is to use that word or sentence again with the corrections in place. If the person is smart, they will pick up on it. If not, they aren't worth the bother anyway.

Of course, there are some assholes around here... let's try not to be like them!

:hug: