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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:17 PM
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While Everyone Was Focused on FL Tonight, OBAMA WAS GIVING BACK MORE $$$ TO REZKO...link
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 10:45 PM by Blackhatjack
I tell you Obama has a real tiger on his tail here... and he is trying everything he can to quietly escape this Rezko Problem which just won't go away. And making the announcement during the coverage of the Florida Primary Results won't keep this from surfacing tomorrow in the MSM. And Republican strategists made careful notes tonight as well.



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/01/obama_gives_away_money_tied_to.php

"Obama gives away money tied to donor"

Obama Sheds More Money Linked to Indicted Former Political Patron

JIM KUHNHENN
AP News

Jan 29, 2008 20:00 EST

Barack Obama is giving to charity more than $70,000 in contributions linked to an indicted Chicago businessman whose past connections to the Democratic presidential candidate have created a distraction and raised questions about his judgment.

The campaign announced the decision to shed the money Tuesday evening, saying it was the result of a further review of contributions related to Antoin Rezko, a real estate developer and fast-food magnate who has been a long time political figure in Chicago, Obama's hometown. Overall, the campaign has now given to charity nearly $150,000 in contributions received by Obama's House, Senate and presidential campaigns that came from Rezko, his employees, his associates and his family."

<snip>

"The campaign's timing for its announcement seemed designed to avoid major news coverage. It came as political attention was focused on Tuesday's Republican presidential contest in Florida. Earlier this month, the campaign announced it would give more than $40,000 to charity on the same day as the Republican primary in South Carolina and the Nevada caucuses.

The charitable contribution announced Tuesday came after Obama ordered a more detailed review of contributions related to Rezko, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said. The money covered contributions from Rezko family members and employees and from others who may have given to Obama's 2004 Senate campaign. "By refunding these donations, the campaign has returned any and all funds that could be reasonably credited to Mr. Rezko's political support," Burton said."

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:17 PM
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1. He still hasn't given all the money back?
Oye!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:20 PM
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4. Doesn't need it anymore. Made a pile on the Kennedy endorsement.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:33 PM
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15. And it wouldn't have happened anyway if the MSM hadn't started telling about it.
Hillary Clinton gave the whole $500,000 back immediately the minute she was told the Hsu was crooked. THAT WAS BEFORE THE MSM got hold of it.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:36 PM
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16. True.
I wonder just how crooked Obama really is?
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:14 AM
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34. But the MSM really hasn't made the big deal out this that they would
have had all this money gone to Hillary.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:19 PM
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2. What about if he pays market value of the property
he received from Rezko?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:19 PM
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3. Your title is wrong...
He did not give the money to Rezko, as you state. He gave it away to charity.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:23 PM
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9. Well He Could Not Give the $$$ to A Felony Indicted Contributor, So That Is How It Is Done...
The title is absolutely correct. Campaigns can either given the $$ back to the original contributor or they can donate it to a charity, but they cannot keep it.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:20 PM
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5. Wonder How Much REZKO $$$ Obama Will Give Back On Super Tuesday??
They seem to be timing the 'bad news' during Republican Primary Coverages.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:21 PM
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6. "I tell you Obama has a real tiger on his tail here"
Only if you try to make it so.


God, when I heard that the garbage was overflowing in this forum, I didn't think it included vomit.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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11. So the fact Obama's Campaign announced this tonight should not be reported? ???
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:33 PM
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14. I won't take the bait
That's why we have an ignore button. And hopefully, others will realize to use it too.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:58 PM
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23. Is that a question you would rather NOT Answer?? Why Not?? n/t
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:21 PM
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7. Hsu. $800,000.
'nuff said.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:14 AM
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33. so its ok with you obama is saddled up to crooks...and has taken dirty money.and it's ok he lies
because someone else has lied??

or it is ok little lord pissy pants has committed war crimes..because others have committed war crimes? or it is ok that little lord pissy pants has broken our laws and ignores the rule of law..because others have broken laws???????

wow you people are sick!

and the clean guy gets no media..wow this place has gotten pathetic..and you Obama people are no better than little lord pissy pants sheeple!

this make me puke.

fly
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:39 AM
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36. Riiiiight.
Well, by your standards, there are zero politicians who are not "saddled up to crooks," including Hillary.

"Obama people" - that's cute.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:21 PM
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8. That does it
He's lost my vote.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:23 PM
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10. Did Hillary give several hundreds of thousands back from HSU who is now jailed?
I would be thrilled to see her give back the millions she and Bill took from India business leaders wanting an expansion to outsourcing and H1B visas. Silicon Valley workers took it in the shorts for Bill and Hillary, so did their kids. Good paying jobs gone(the kind that pay for a decent college education at a state school for the kids of these people).
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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12. What did Hilllary do with Hsu's donation? n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:30 PM
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13. I don't see how wrongdoing by the Clinton Campaign Exonerates Obama wrongdoing....
If wrongdoing were paint they would both be wearing it, so how does that make either right?

But Obama supporters better hope that this is the last installment of returned REZKO related contribution money. Because if there are further instances of returned money related to REZKO related contributions voters are going to start questioning the credibility of Obama's Campaign.
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:37 PM
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17. Here are 10 myths debunked about Obama and Rezko!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/29/171056/015/838/445627


Myth #1: Obama did legal work for Rezko

Claim: Hillary Clinton during a debate denounced Obama for "representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago."

The truth: According to Factcheck.org, "Obama was associated with a law firm that represented the community groups working with Rezko on several deals. There's no evidence that Obama spent much time on them, and he never represented Rezko directly. So it was wrong for Clinton to say he was ‘representing ... Rezko.’ That's untrue."

Myth #2: Obama knew Rezko was a slumlord

Claim: The Chicago Sun-Times reported that in 1997, Rezko’s company failed to turn the heat back on in one of his buildings, while giving $1,000 to Obama’s campaign fund.

The truth: There’s no evidence that Obama knew about problems with Rezko’s buildings. A state senator doesn’t deal with tenant complaints, and the Chicago newspapers never reported on Rezko’s problems as a landlord until after he was indicted. According to the Chicago Tribune, "in the years before 2005, Rezko enjoyed a reputation in Illinois as an up-and-coming, even enlightened entrepreneur with a strong interest in the risky low-income and affordable housing markets." http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

Myth #3: Obama underpaid for his house in a deal with Rezko

Claim: Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass wrote: "Rezko paid more than the asking price for the side lot, and Obama paid less than the asking price for the big house. It’s the Chicago way." Kass claimed that Rezko was "Obama's Real Estate Fairy" and this is "the story of the dream house the Obamas wanted and couldn't quite afford and how the Rezkos helped."

The truth: None of this is true. The seller decided to divide the lot in offering it for sale, not Obama or Rezko. Rezko had paid the list price for his lot, not an excessive amount (as the resale value later proved). The owner reportedly had already been offered $625,000 for the side lot, so Rezko didn’t offer any more money and there was no way Obama could have gotten a special deal this way. The only special arrangement Rezko provided was selling the two lots on the same day, which simplified matters for the seller. Obama paid $1.65 million for a house originally priced at $1.95 million. His was the higher of two bids for the main property. It’s not unusual at all in the Chicago real estate business to see a 15 percent price cut on an expensive house that’s been on the market for four months. Nor is it unusual that a vacant lot next door would sell to a condo developer without such a discount. In the Hyde Park market, there are a lot of upper-middle-class residents making six figures, but not very many millionaires (it’s not Lincoln Park or the Gold Coast). Therefore, a pricey mansion is very difficult to sell, while a $300,000 townhouse is very common.

Myth #4: Rezko’s lot was a front (yard) deal

Claim: One blogger declared it was "a $925,000 favor to a sitting US Senator" because "the Rezko property was never intended to be a separate piece of land."

The truth: It’s insane to think that Obama arranged for Rezko to buy the lot as his front yard, and never intended for anyone to develop it. If Obama had arranged such a deal, it would be crazy for him to spend $104,500 to buy part of the land from Rezko. There is not even the slightest evidence to support this notion.

Myth #5: Obama underpaid (or overpaid) for the slice of Rezko’s lot

Claim: John Kass declared: "Obama’s appraiser told him the fair market value of that slice was $40,500. Since that’s one-sixth of the Rezko side, it means Rezko paid $625,000 for property that was actually worth $243,000. That would make Rezko a complete fool. But he’s no fool." Fox News Channel incorrectly reported that Rezko "sold half that lot to Obama for 1/3 its original value."

The truth: The appraiser was clearly wrong (probably basing the low value on the fact that 1/6th of the lot was too small for any house, which would dramatically reduce its value standing alone). That’s why Obama decided to buy 1/6th of Rezko’s lot for 1/6th of what Rezko paid for it ($104,500). A year after the 10-foot-wide strip of land was sold to Obama, a Rezko business associate bought the rest of the lot for $575,000, resulting in a profit for the Rezkos of $54,000 from the two land sales. This sale proved that Obama paid fair market value for his portion of the land.

Myth #6: Obama hasn’t returned all the money linked to Rezko’s donations

Claim: The Chicago Sun-Times accused Obama of downplaying the $50,000–$60,000 in donations he received from Rezko (Rezko, before his legal troubles started, had cohosted a fundraiser for Obama). The newspaper claimed the actual amount was $168,000.

The truth: The Sun Times came up with that figure by counting every donation to Obama from anyone ever associated with Rezko, even if there was no evidence Rezko prompted the donation. Obama donated additional money to charity, but he’s under no obligation (legal or even moral) to return every dollar ever linked to Rezko. If you play a game of "six degrees of separation" with Rezko, he’s linked to almost every politician in Chicago.

Myth #7: Rezko had a special relationship with Obama

Claim: The Clinton campaign denounces "Sen. Obama's 17-year relationship with the indicted influence peddler."

The truth: Rezko attached himself to lots of politicians. Rezko donated money to every major Democratic politician in Illinois, then helped organize a $3.5 million fundraiser for President George W. Bush in 2003. After giving large campaign donations to Democratic Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, Rezko arranged to have his buddies appointed by Blagojevich to state boards such as the Teachers’ Retirement System Board and the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board. With his friend Stuart Levine, Rezko threatened to hold up a $220 million deal to invest teachers’ pension fund money unless $2 million was paid to Levine or $1.5 million was donated to Blagojevich’s campaign. Rezko and Levine also demanded a $1 million cut from a developer to build a hospital. Rezko was indicted for pretending to sell his Papa John’s pizza restaurants while secretly maintaining control of them, and fraudulently using the transaction to get $10 million in loans. It is Blagojevich, not Obama, who did favors for Rezko. Rezko’s eye for scouting political talent was amazing, but he did not capitalize on Obama’s influence. Obama said he had known Rezko for twenty years and "he had never asked me for anything. I’ve never done any favors for him."

Myth #8: Obama did favors for Rezko

Claim: Chicago Sun-Times revealed that in 1998, Obama wrote a letter endorsing a low-income housing development for which Rezko was a codeveloper. As the Sun-Times put it, "NOT A FAVOR? As a state senator, he went to bat for now-indicted developer’s deal." Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass wrote, "No favors? When you transcend politics and walk on water, I guess it all depends on what your definition of favor is."

The truth: The common definition of a favor in this context is a political action done in exchange for donations. Rezko’s lawyer reported that Rezko had not asked Obama to write the letter. Instead, Obama (along with a local state representative and an alderman) endorsed the project because it had widespread community support. It’s difficult to imagine any politician on the south side of Chicago who wouldn’t have a routine letter written to endorse government funding for affordable housing and social services for low-income senior citizens in that area. When it came to political influence, Obama didn’t do any favors for Rezko. The Chicago Tribune reported, "when Rezko pushed for passage in Springfield of a major gambling measure, Obama vocally opposed it."

Myth #9: Obama should have known about Rezko’s sleazy background

Claim: The Chicago Tribune, although endorsing Obama, wrote: "His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004."

The truth: At the time Obama bought his house, there was no public indication of Rezko’s problems. When Obama bought a small strip of Rezko’s land in 2006, rumors were swirling around Chicago that the federal government was investigating Rezko, but he wasn’t indicted until October 2006. The Tribune stories before 2006 reveal that Rezko was a tightly connected political player, but the evidence of criminal misconduct wasn’t proven.

Myth #10: Obama hasn’t been forthcoming about his mistakes with Rezko

Claim: The Chicago Tribune editorialized, "Obama has been too self-exculpatory."

The truth: Obama has been honest about the mistake he made, and the fact that Rezko was trying to buy future influence with him. Obama declared, "I am the first one to acknowledge that it was a boneheaded move for me to purchase this 10-foot strip from Rezko, given that he was already under a cloud of concern. I will also acknowledge that from his perspective, he no doubt believed that by buying the piece of property next to me that he would, if not be doing me a favor, it would help strengthen our relationship." Obama’s mistake was in allowing the appearance of impropriety. He never actually did anything wrong. And that’s the key issue here.

Despite all of these rumors about Obama and Rezko, none of the evidence indicates any actual wrongdoing. Conservative Republican Tom Bevan called the evidence against Obama "pretty darn weak." Conor Clarke of the New Republic reported that Obama’s real estate deal with Rezko was a "nonscandal." According to Clarke, "journalists have followed the smoke and haven’t found the fire. At that point, accusing someone of something that looks wrong stops making sense."
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:43 PM
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20. Well Here Is A FACT About Obama That Cannot Be Disproved...
... from the LINK in the OP:

"The campaign's timing for its announcement seemed designed to avoid major news coverage. It came as political attention was focused on Tuesday's Republican presidential contest in Florida. Earlier this month, the campaign announced it would give more than $40,000 to charity on the same day as the Republican primary in South Carolina and the Nevada caucuses."

Why the attempts to avoid major news coverage by announcing it tonight?

If he is 'squeaky clean' on the Rezko Problem as you seem to imply in your "myths" post, why doesn't Obama call a press conference and get it all out once and for all?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:38 PM
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18. Kick and recommend for the Syrian slumlord, Rezko
Rezko/Obama tied together. How sweet.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:41 PM
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19. Is that link working?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:47 PM
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21. Thanks! I fixed the link....n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:56 PM
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22. This is an AP Story... Hit the Wires at 10pm... Has CNN or MSNBC Reported It??
I have yet to hear a word from either about this announcement by the Obama Campaign.

This Obama Campaign announcement was not a 'super double secret' announcement.

Hmmmmm......???
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:07 PM
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24. OK tpmElectionCentral.com has this AP Story on its front page...LINK
This one is not going to disappear into the ether.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:21 PM
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25. UH OH... Chicago Sun-Times linked $168k in donations to Rezko... Obama estimate $60k...LINK
So why did the Chicago Sun-Times come up with $168k in donations linked to REZKO and Obama's Campaign only came up with $156,650??

And why did Obama estimate that 'REZKO had raised more than $60,000 for him during his political career"?



http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/766087,rezkocash012908.article

"In November 2006, Obama had told the Chicago Sun-Times his “best estimate” was that Rezko had raised more than $60,000 for him during his political career. The Sun-Times over the summer, however, linked $168,000 in donations to Rezko -- many of them believed to have come during a fund-raiser Rezko held for Obama at Rezko's Wilmette mansion."
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:28 PM
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26. Follow the money. Which charity? n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:31 PM
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27. There is no mention in the linked articles that they named the charities. n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:57 PM
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32. you can bet your ass it wasn't a gay charity, that's for sure!
nt
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 AM
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35. From a purely political advantage point of view it would have been smart to do so...n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:35 PM
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28. Continued Curiosity Kick...
... although I'm agnostic about whether it's smoke (suggesting fire) or fog (suggesting hot air on a cold morn).

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:39 PM
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29. You have to admit the timing of the announcement was carefully crafted...
... thanks for the kick.. Maybe we will find out.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:51 PM
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30. 5th Rec, Too...
... just to see if some more light gets shed on this.

; )

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:52 PM
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31. Thanks! n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:26 PM
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37. Obama keeps finding more and more bags of Rezko money to give back.
Where will it end?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:31 AM
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38. morning kick
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