the media blows it again

[luckyleftyme2]

all we heard for months is that only GUILIANI could beat HILLARY. Of course we know this rumor was leaked from the right. anyone who follows politics knew Guiliani was a local hero who had many problems before and after 911.
Hillary winning big in florida definitely established that she is a formidable candidate for the democratic nomination.
when people realize that media needs hype to exist and research on their own,use their gut instinct they will pick the best suited candidate for them.
from the onset the right has tried to take Hillary out of the race. I think the
democratic party is quite capable of making their own decision

[Berry Cool]

1. I don't know about that.

Hindsight is always perfect. If Rudy had run a better campaign, he might have been able to make the general public ignore/be ignorant of his many problems. He also might have done better had he started sooner and not gambled it all on Florida. This thought frightens me, but it's possible.

I don't think Hillary's win in Florida proves anything either way. And I'm not so sure the right wants her out. They might have a very good time fomenting a campaign to beat her.

I am also far less trustful than you of "the people's" ability or will to ignore media messages and research candidates on their own. Most of them are probably too busy and too mistrustful of politics in general to bother. They may use their "gut instinct," but they may use it to choose who they think is the best candidate based on sheer image alone.

It's scary to think it, but perhaps if Rudy had done a better job of peddling his "hero of 9/11" image and not gone about it in such a hamhanded way as he did, he might have found far more traction with the public. I can think of at least two people I know of in Ohio who were taken in by the idea that he was some kind of strong, capable leader because of it. They didn't live in New York or have any idea what he was like or what New Yorkers thought of him. Yes, I know the plural of "anecdote" is not "data," but who's to say there were not many more across the country whose minds could also have been turned in the same direction?

I mean, who in early 2004 would've dreamed that John Kerry, simply because of a small band of nasty men, could be made to look like LESS of a war hero than George W. Bush? Defies all logic, right?

You can serve some people shit and make them think it's pate. Rudy just didn't go about it right.

[Yossariant]

2. That's not the only reason Kerry lost.

For one thing, when Bush threw out the question about whether Kerry would have voted the same way if he had it to do over, Kerry took 3 days to come back with the wrong answer.

The Swiftboaters, like Nader, are an easy scapegoat, but they appealed to the segment who wouldn't be voting for Kerry or ANY Dem.

Terrible campaign.

[zbdent]

3. I had said "How would the flyover states feel about Rudy ignoring them in favor of Florida?"

and now, I see how Florida feels about Rudy ...

:rofl: