I am very concerned about McCain.

[Teaser]

McCain scares me as a candidate. For one, my wife has said she will vote for him over Hilary. And she is a reliable liberal.

I don't think Obama stands much of a better shot, though, against McCain.

I was hoping and hoping for Romney, he would have been an easy win for any of our candidates.

Why, oh why does it have to be McCain? Someone talk me out of my tree, please.

[wuushew]

1. I'm sorry, but your wife is no liberal

n/t

[Teaser]

6. we're not debating my wife's status

I say she is a liberal, she is a liberal.

I say you lick my feet, you lick my feet, got it?

[Warren Stupidity]

14. You brought your wife's status into the discussion

as proof regarding the validity of your hair wrenching concern over chipmunk. Your wife is no liberal. The proof of that is your assertion that she will vote for chipmunk, a very conservative militaristic nutjob reknucklian over a centrist such as Clinton.

[Teaser]

15. debating her status is off limits.

end of discussion.

[JBoy]

20. Are you high?

Re-read your OP.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Oh then I guess you win.

Quite charming.

[Teaser]

25. damn straight

.

[JBoy]

31. "Someone talk me out of my tree, please"

No. I think you should stay there.

[Warren Stupidity]

30. How many times are you going to rewrite this post?

Your wife is not a liberal. You raised her status as a liberal as proof for your op: "For one, my wife has said she will vote for him over Hilary. And she is a reliable liberal." That statement raises a self contradictory doubt regarding its truth. Your wife is not a liberal if she would vote for another four years of reknucklian rule.

[Beetwasher]

32. LOL! Uhh, No, It's Not Off Limits And She's No Liberal

You don't decide when the discussion ends. You don't like it? Too bad, you brought up the bullshit that your wife is a liberal. She ain't no liberal. That's obvious if she would even consider voting for Mr. Magoo.

[lonestarnot]

37. Ugh no it's not!

[fishwax]

62. then why'd you bring it up?

:shrug:

[TheWatcher]

50. Nah. You tell me to lick your feet, I will tell you to kiss my ass.

And you will have nothing else to say about it, believe me.

I find it very hard to believe that someone who would vote for McCain could consider themselves a liberal.

Perhaps they think they are, but that does not make it so.

She would vote for a candidate who has promised us "many more wars?"

Sounds really liberal to me.

But your wife's questionable status aside, you should be scared of McCain. I don't think the country would survive another four years of this nonsense.

[DavidDvorkin]

43. I agree

If she would even consider voting for McCain over Hillary, then she's no liberal.

[Alexander]

2. Will your wife vote for Obama?

Therein lies the difference. Will people who can't stand Hillary vote for Obama?

I personally think that Obama will bring so many first-time young and black voters to vote for him that it will offset the negative image some people seem to have of him.

[Teaser]

9. yes, she loves him

She just really, and irrationally hates Clinton.

I'm not a big fan of C-money, but I'll pull the lever.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. I Might Vote For McCain Over Clinton

At least McCain seems to be honest.

On the other hand, he's coming across like an old man - Clinton can probably beat him. Obama would definitely beat him.

[Beetwasher]

4. If You Would Vote For McCain Over Clinton, You're An Idiot

And have no business on this site. But then, that's been apparent from the start and is really no surprise.

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Hugs To You Too!

Hey, honesty means a lot to me.

[Beetwasher]

11. "Hey, honesty means a lot to me." Sure It Does

:rofl:

McCain is soooo honest! I mean, that's why he's a Republican, right? They're known for their honesty. :rofl:

[comradebillyboy]

21. then look up McCain and the Keating 5

and tell me about how fucking honest McCain is.

[Jim Sagle]

40. And so does Republicanism, evidently.

[Sebass1271]

44. and McCain is HONEST?

allow me to :puke:

[TwilightGardener]

13. McCain is honest? Uh, not really. He's changed his tune on almost every

position, at some point. That's why there's a "Real McCain" video on YouTube. But if you vote for him, you're an idiot. Because he'll "honestly" deliver on his war promises.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. You too?

Wow, lots of people have let the disgusting primary season of bad posts cloud their judgement. Eight years of this crap not enough? Need a another four or more?

[hasssan1]

34. ARE YOU A REPUB OR AN IDIOT ???

ARE YOU A REPUB ?? THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE ???

[Beetwasher]

46. Both

They are not mutually exclusive. Actually, they are mutual.

[devilgrrl]

58. "At least McCain seems to be honest." Oh? About what?

:popcorn:

[Swamp Rat]

5. Thanks to Karl Rove we know that McCain had a black baby and he's a traitor,

and he supports Bushler's FAILED war.

[spanone]

damn swamp rat, you make me laugh

:toast:

[spanone]

10. damn swamp rat, you make me laugh

:toast:

[Swamp Rat]

19. WOOHOO!!! Now we can start to use all the Rovian propaganda from the past 8 years!

WOOHOO!!!!! :woohoo:

[Mojambo]

7. He's not as strong as you think.

But I'd submit that Obama would have an easier time with him than Senator Clinton.

McCain isn't going to pull huge support from the rightwing base. He NEEDS indy/moderate votes to win a general election. Obama has a better shot at peeling off those votes than Clinton does.

[Irishonly]

59. What if Hucklebee is VP

No self respecting democrat should even think about voting for McCain. It gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about him in the WH. To pull in the evangelical right wing vote I could see Hucklebee as VP and then we are going to have a problem.

[rwheeler31]

12. If you have or want to have chidren remember Mcain loves war.

[DesertRat]

64. And McCain makes fun of other people's children

I'll never forget the disgusting joke McCain made about Chelsea Clinton looks when she was just a child.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

[comradebillyboy]

16. McCain will definitly take Fla in the general if Obama is the

Dem, given how Obama has told Florida Democratic voters how irrelevant they and their votes are.

[Nite Owl]

17. The way I understand it the

GOP 'base' can't stand McCain with a passion. They are needed for him to win so maybe they just won't show up.

[comradebillyboy]

29. It will probably depend on who offends the most people

between now and November.

[karlrschneider]

22. You better get used to the phrase "President McCain" because Obama has zero chance

and Hillary's is only marginally better, of beating him in the general.

[DemoTex]

41. Damn! DemoTex finally disagrees with his best DU pilot bud, karlrschneider!

Er, uh, Karl .. The Dems in redneck SC just beat the Repub's turnout by almost 150,000 .. 550,000 to 400,000. They are talking a complete re-alignment of state politics here .. Democratic dominated!

Know what I mean?

[karlrschneider]

65. Hey Mac...well I REALLY want to be wrong about this. Just can't help feeling

the way I do on it. Gack.

[NoBorders]

66. Untrue, according to latest polls. Obama does better against McCain

not that polls mean much at this point.

[spanone]

24. mccain is ok with eternal war....america is tired of war....game over

[havocmom]

26. Cheney's daughter and Jeb Bush on Romney's side; McCain is window dressing for GOP

Mittens is anointed.

[Beetwasher]

27. McCain Would Be The Toughest Candidate, But That's Not Saying Much

He doesn't have a chance. He's the reincarnation of Bob Dole's candidacy, except he's got two good arms and less marbles.

Have you been paying attention to turnout? Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about.

[MzNov]

38. I agree. at the very least, the assclown is too old!

Obama would beat the crap out of him. So would Hillary, and especially so would John Edwards. All they need to do is push a couple of his buttons and watch him explode! It will be a lovely sight.

:bounce:

[Beetwasher]

45. I Doubt He's Healthy Enough To Last A Full Campaign

And I'm not being snarky. There should be some serious concerns about his health, he does not look well at all.

[Ilsa]

54. Edwards did the best against mccain in the polls, IIRC. nt

[Dukkha]

28. the Dems are consistently getting a much wider margin of votes

then the repukes overall.

[pa28]

33. Don't panic!

Consider a few things:

-The Republican base can't stand McCain and they may be disinclined to crawl over broken glass to vote as they did for Bush. I think they're turnout will be adversely effected and will probably cancel out any independents he captures.

-He's vulnerable to negative campaigning. Consider what Bush said about him in 2000 and how much of it stuck. Forget the love child rumor, I know Democrats would not stoop that low, but he was portrayed as mentally unstable and angry, an image of him that became conventional wisdom.

-He's showing signs of old age and physical deterioration. He slurs his speech at times, he occasionally looks slow and confused . . . as if he needs a nap or a bathroom break. Contrast that with Obama or the Democrat of your choice.

-He's been licking Bush's boots, sucking up and generally treating the most hated man in America like God. It's all on the record, he's agreed with all the disastrous mistakes and we can make it sound like a McCain win will be Bush's third term.

I know we need to respect the dangers of each of their candidates and not underestimate. We've got everything going in our favor this time and the wind at our back. This is a time for confidence.

[Sebass1271]

48. THANK YOU I FEEL MUCH BETTER

MY EARS NEED TO HEARS THE WORDS OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE..

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE REAL NUMBERS??? REPUBLICASN VS DEMOCRATS VOTING TONIGHT??????????????????

[Swamp Rat]

49. CAPS LOCK!

:D

[ConcernedCanuk]

52. About 1.8 million repubs, 1.5 million dems so far

.
.
.

DON'T SHOUT!

Typing all in caps for a whole post here is considered rude, mostly

Hell - I heard ya all the way up here in Canukistan!

Oh

Link for them stats - I fished them through excel -

1,543,046 Dems 1,775,712 Repubs

to be precise


but heres the link where I came up with them figures

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

[bdamomma]

35. If anyone votes McCain over Hillary be ready for some more wars

McCain will be carrying on for *. And if he chooses Lieberman as his running mate, watch out.

[lonestarnot]

39. Leverlieb gave up on that today. I saw a headline somewhere.

[hasssan1]

57. If anyone votes McCain over Hillary , They are traitors

[lonestarnot]

36. "And she is a reliable liberal " What the fuck does she beat you with?

[stillcool]

42. Mittens has the Cheney's backing him...

I think the Halliburton-wing of the Republican party may be looking for another 'photo-op-dude'.

[CaptJasHook]

47. McCain came to my High School in 1983

He was an inspirational speaker back then. But that was 25 years ago and there have been plenty of waffles and weavles since then.

Though I do wish more Republicans were like McCain, but as a candidate he is very weak.

All we have to do is hammer on his age, his flip-flops, his misguided support of the war (1000 years in Iraq? What a stupid thing to say), his lack of knowledge about the economy and BEST of ALL make him try and defend Bush's "record".

HeHeHe, I salivate at the thought of general election debates. Our candidate is going to destroy them...

[skipos]

51. McCain does well with independents. Hillary does not.

That's what concerns me. I know a few people who have voted for Democrats for years but are now claiming they would vote for McCain over Hillary. The good news is that McCain really hasn't been under the magnifying glass like the other candidates.

[Jed Dilligan]

53. He's the toughest one to beat of the GOPack of rats

Funny, though: there was a letter in the Sac Bee today saying that both McCain and Clinton are immigrant huggin', freedom-squelching libruls and a true conservative will vote for neither of them.

http://www.sacbee.com/326/story/668981.html

letter is at bottom of page and continues on next page

Your wife may be a liberal, but she is naive if she thinks McCain will advance a liberal agenda. However, having her out in the world spreading that meme will do more to elect a Democrat than her vote will hurt!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

55. I really do not like Hillary Clinton at all

But I will be enthusiastically rooting for Hillary Clinton if John McCain is the alternative. Even Republicans think he's insane and I wouldn't want to give him the suitcase with the nuclear button. The Democrats could run the same "Daisy" ad they ran against Barry Goldwater in 1964 and this time I think it would be accurate. I think the world of McCain's service as a veteran and hero. But I don't think he can be trusted with our military.

I don't give McCain much of a chance. I think this is the year for the Democratic Party. Whether it's Hillary or Barack, new voters are going to be coming out of the woodwork to vote. But ...... you never know. The Republicans will probably have a lot of damaging research against either one of our candidates up their sleeve.

[JBoy]

56. Don't know about that "damaging research"

Given their lack of fondness for science, most of it will be made-up bullshit.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

60. True - but they're very good at spinning made up BS

[Disturbed]

61. "At least McCain seems to be honest."

John McCain Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

[Norwood]

63. If Hillary is the D nominee and McCain is the R nominee

Get ready for at least another 4 years of Republican rule. She has 0 shot against McCain.

[Eurobabe]

67. So then, maybe DUers should stop flogging one another and put their heads together

re: how to defeat this decrepit old fart. I'm sure if people stopped FIGHTING over stupid shit long enough, we could come up with some ideas. :hi:

No liberal I know would vote for McLame, just tellin.

[geiger]

68. he's been talking nutty lately, more and more, about wars and protracted occupation of Iraq

I think in trying to win the favor of the R establishment, he is actually losing his mind. And I can't help thinking that he has a vindictive agenda for what he suffered in war. I just don't know about him. I know someone who has to interact with him frequently, and it sounds like he's not a very likeable guy either. I don't know if that's part and parcel of his self-perceived power, to always think he's right on everything and doesn't care to incorporate opinions of others... Now you've got me in the tree.....

[Neshanic]

69. Sadly you are not in a tree, it's the people around you that are in the rabbit hole under the tree.