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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:09 PM
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Factcheck and debunking New York Times innuendo Story on Bill Clinton and Frank Giustra
No matter how much conjecture and innuendo is thrown around, it does not change the simple fact that former President Clinton had no involvement in Frank Giustra's business dealings in Kazakhstan.

In fact, the only agreement he signed in Kazakhstan during his 6 hour visit was to allow that country to purchase lower-cost medicine to fight AIDS through the Clinton Foundation's HIV/AIDS Initiative.

As a number of journalists who have joined President Clinton on his Foundation trips around the world can attest, he frequently travels to countries where the Foundation is working to combat AIDS and improve the lives of people in the developing world.

Indeed, the fact that President Clinton traveled to Kazakhstan on Frank Giustra's plane, and the visit itself, was reported by Esquire magazine in December, 2005



Regarding Frank Giustra's philanthropic support for the Clinton Foundation:



Regarding President Clinton's meeting with the head of Kazakhstan state uranium company:



Regarding President Clinton's reported remarks about President Nazarbayev and Kazakhstan's effort to head the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe:



Regarding President Clinton's letter to President Nazarbayev:



Regarding President Nazarbayev's invitation to CGI:



Source: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:11 PM
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1. "facts" according to Hillary?
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 12:11 PM by mod mom
:rofl: Come on NYT endorsed her, do you really believe they'd run an unfair story about bill?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:26 PM
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7. It's kind of frightening, isn't it?...n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:12 PM
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2. Does HillaryHub have an answer to What did Jackson Stephens get for bankrolling
both Poppy Bush and Bill Clinton's political careers, and whatever happened to that BCCI report Bill was handed when he took office that named Jackson Stephens and Marc Rich as two of the figures involved in that bank that was the biggest terrorist funding bank network in the world?

Thankyou.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:39 PM
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8. Thank you. I hate when folks say she's been vetted. Vetted EXCEPT when it entails GOP BIGWIGS!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:14 PM
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3. It's called quid quo pro & we can't know if Clintons' profited illegally since their tax return's no
not public.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:15 PM
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4. What about the lie:
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:15 PM
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5. Debunking? Far from it
Sounds more like "rationalizing".

OP, I have a question. Why didn't Bill just charter a jet on his own, instead of traveling with this sleazebag? It's not that expensive. Even little schools (Gonzaga, etc.) rent them all year for their basketball teams.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:24 PM
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6. Very good!
1) The Esquire article was written by noted Clinton supporter Joe Conason, whom I respect a great deal. That said, Conason carefully elides a few points. Notice:

And that means perpetual motion. By early afternoon on September 5, the Clintons were in the air again, on their way home from Houston. After dropping the senator off in Chappaqua, the motorcade brought Clinton back to the airport. Idling there was another private jet, owned by Frank Giustra, the former chairman of Lions Gate Entertainment. It waited to transport Clinton and his entourage, including Giustra, to Central Asia and then on to China.

On the way, however, they stopped in Scotland for a few hours to refuel and to take a breakfast meeting at 4:00 A.M. with Tom Hunter, a Glasgow investor and philanthropist who has decided that he wants to get involved in African development. Hunter had accompanied the former president on part of the July trip to southern Africa, and, impressed with the performance of Clinton's HIV/AIDS Initiative in those countries, he had tentatively agreed to donate $100 million to health and education projects over the coming decade. Clinton had touched down to confirm that commitment, which Hunter agreed to announce in person at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York.

Late in the evening on September 6, the Clinton party landed in Almaty, the mountainous former capital of Kazakhstan, and from the airport proceeded directly to a meeting with President Nursultan Nazarbayev, much as if this were an official diplomatic visit.

At a joint nighttime press conference, Clinton praised Nazarbayev for dismantling the nuclear arsenal he inherited from the Soviets, who used to test weapons in the remote republic. Then, before sitting down to a midnight banquet, Clinton signed an agreement with the Kazakh health minister that permits the government to buy heavily discounted HIV/AIDS drugs through the Clinton foundation's procurement consortium. Sometime around 2:30 A.M., he met with the Kazakh opposition leaders to hear their complaints about the authoritarian Nazarbayev. Within an hour he was in the air again, heading to Lucknow, India.


What does Conason NOT say? he doesn't mention that Clinton also praised Nazarbayev's progress toward democracy. He doesn't mention the reason for Giustra's visit to Kazakhstan. In fact, he doesn't even mention that Giustra is in the mining business, labeling him only the "former chairman of Lions Gate Entertainment." These all seem like material points, unless you're writing a Clinton puff piece, in which case details of Giustra's business dealings would seem irrelevant or suspect, and details of Clinton's praise for Nazarbayev a little iffy, at best. Joe Conason's a smart guy. I doubt this information is absent because he didn't KNOW about it. But hey, maybe I'm wrong.

2 and 3) Nobody doubts that Giustra contributed faithfully to the Clinton charities. That's beside the point. Moreover, the suggestion is not that Clinton lobbied for Kazatomprom, but that he provided a human rights fig-leaf in the form of positive statements about Nazarbayev, so your second and third excerpts are immaterial.

4) He did meet with dissidents. Good. So what? You label this section "Regarding President Clinton's reported remarks about President Nazarbayev and Kazakhstan's effort to head the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe." But the excerpt doesn't regard those statements at all.

5 and 6) Immaterial. It is, of course, a common tactic to defend against a charge that does not exist in order to obfuscate the charge that does exist. That seems to be the point of excerpts 5 and 6.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:42 PM
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9. Like wolfes smelling blood.. Hope Obama takes the bait tonight :-)
;.)
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:57 PM
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10. Posing for a three hour photograph in Clinton's living room?


"Mr. Dzhakishev, the Kazatomprom chief, said he traveled to Chappaqua, N.Y., to meet with Mr. Clinton at his home. Mr. Dzhakishev said Mr. Giustra arranged the three-hour meeting. Mr. Dzhakishev said he wanted to discuss Kazakhstan’s intention — not publicly known at the time — to buy a 10 percent stake in Westinghouse, a United States supplier of nuclear technology.

Both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Giustra at first denied that any such meeting occurred. Mr. Giustra also denied ever arranging for Kazakh officials to meet with Mr. Clinton. Wednesday, after The Times told them that others said a meeting, in Mr. Clinton’s home, had in fact taken place, both men acknowledged it.

“You are correct that I asked the president to meet with the head of Kazatomprom,” Mr. Giustra said. “Mr. Dzhakishev asked me in February 2007 to set up a meeting with former President Clinton to discuss the future of the nuclear energy industry.” Mr. Giustra said the meeting “escaped my memory until you raised it.”"

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A three hour photo, at Clinton's house, that none of them can remember? They can't remember discussing buying 10% of Westinghouse until reminded by a Times reporter?

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:07 PM
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11. It's completely preposterous
The debunking is pretty effective at not addressing any of the charges!

Which, of course, is not confidence-inspiring in the least bit....
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