Move On Is Holding A Vote For Its Endorsement

[ThomWV]

Members of Move On have been E-Mailed an electronic ballot they may use to indicate which of the Democratic candidates we wish for the organization to endorse. If 2/3 of the members agree on one that one will receive the endorsement. In my mind no endorsement is more important.

Now, if you are an Obama tell me why I should vote for him, seeing as how I have listened to his speeches and can not find one word of substance in them. Clinton supporters, why should I vote for your gal? All I see from her is continuation of policies now in effect and a half baked insurance scheme to cover up our lack of a national health care system. Both camps, convince me otherwise by the 11:00 AM deadline, Friday (tomorrow) for voting.

[Virginia Dare]

1. It all boils down to electability..

and I think it's probably a toss-up, maybe a slight edge to Obama.

[ThomWV]

4. Once again

We agree. I am very much interested in anyone who might be able to show us anything like substantive policy differences. The truth is I have never been able to tell much about Obama's stance on anything and the ones I see from Hillary are generally onerous to me.

[bigbrother05]

2. interesting

[Tesha]

3. Is John Edwards on the ballot? Otherwise, I'll vote for withholding any endorsement. (NT)

[ThomWV]

5. Why would he be? He quit, or didn't anyone tell you?

[Tesha]

6. Depends when they composed the ballot, doesn't it.

And the fact that he quit doesn't mean he isn't the
candidate best-deserving of an endorsement.

Goodness knows Hillary and Barrack don't deserve it.

Tesha

[kelligesq]

9. Absolutely Tesha - and funny, he didnt say quit - he said suspend

he didnt say dropping out, he said "suspend" and lawyers pick their words carefully-

I', still voting for Edwards to give him the power to influence those two if he doesn't come back in

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4309698

[mac2]

40. Before Super Tuesday which was one week away?

Suspend? What does that mean? Both Kucinich and Edwards couldn't wait to "bow out" until after Super Tuesday on February 5th? The large "liberal states" mostly had no say like Illinois. Michigan was "punished" so their delegates negated?

This whole thing smells. It is a deliberate act to remove Progressive candidates from the ballot. They stole the election before the primary this time.

Let's make a law in our party that no candidate can drop out before Super Tuesday. They can run out of money or not campaign but they have to stay on the ballot. I'm not putting money into elections if candidates continue to fix it so only the top two picked by the media are always left. They seem to be candidates which the citizens want (usually the Progressive ones).

Are they there to make us think we have a choice...Red Herrings? The Red Herring runs for office telling us what we want to hear. No party seems to want to give us them since they are anti-war and corporate lawful. Big money (mostly ours) seems to rule. The media ignores them and then they drop out. Thank god...I thought I'd have to be President but there is a position or "cash cow" down the road for me.

I was suspect when Gore picked Lieberman for his VP. Even Lieberman's own party members didn't like or trust him. He was the reason for Gore not winning a more decisive election. Lieberman was a religious and war nut. The people knew that. They worried Gore might be assassinated and Lieberman would become President. The conservative Midwest and South wanted none of it. Years later, we see Lieberman was what we thought...a Republican war monger and not a Democrat for the workers at all.

Tonight on the John Stewart Show (Comedy channel)Mr. Stewart said, this country need a good cleansing with an election between McCain and Obama. How can that be good for us? They are both Bush supporters in the end. The elite agenda of "unending war" and corporate rule. Divisive candidates who are of the same political agenda but just different races. Open the borders and on to the Americas Union (Fascist rule by the elite).

Both candidates are sons of successful fathers. Spoiled and arrogant traitors to their democracy. Given the public trust and honor, they betray us.

Am I angry...you bet your democracy.

[kelligesq]

8. I'll email them Edwards -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4309698

[dmosh42]

7. They only listed Clinton and Obama. I closed my eyes and picked. n/t

[Barack_America]

10. So many of Hillary's plans are similar to Obama's

That I'm a bit confused about how you feel one has substance and the other doesn't.

They differ on healthcare: she mandates it, he doesn't (both plan to cover subsidies by repealing the Bush tax cuts)
They differ on Iraq: she wants to withdrawal en masse, he supports a more deliberate withdrawal
They differ on Immigration: he favors drivers licenses for illegal immigrants to increase licensed/insured drivers on the roads, she is not in favor of this.

Let me know if this is at all helpful.

[kelligesq]

11. not factual .

notice I didnt run around saying "you're a liar" as the obama supporters do.

[Barack_America]

34. Care to elaborate? n/t

[ThomWV]

32. Yes, in fact it was helpful. Thank you.

[marlakay]

12. Has anyone received ballot yet?

I am moveon member and haven't received it yet...

I am voting for obama...and as far as convincing someone, you know in your heart of hearts who you feel is next in line for you. Vote that way.

The rest of it is tit for tat...

[kelligesq]

14. Rcvd my ballot. Edwards not on, so emailed them I vote for Edwards and why

Why I'm going to continue to vote for John Edwards on Feb 5

John Edwards has framed the issues all along - Single Payer healthcare, not

Universal, lobbyists out of the elections, America taking care of and giving a

chance for affordable college, taking care of our Vets, bringing home our

people from Iraq within a year without permanent bases in Iraq, restoring

America and every issue until Obama and Clinton "borrowed" his populist stance.

But "borrowing" words is not a commitment to carry them out whichever

one gets the nomination for the general election.

That is why we must must must continue to vote for John Edwards on Feb 5

The more delegates he collects even though he has "suspended" his campaign (I

suspect because of the MSM essentially boycotting coverage of him and the

failure of the feds to match funds until March) the more power John will have to

extract a written committment from either or both candidates to adhere to John's

and our populist issues

[swati]

13. VOTED FOR HILLARY AT MOVEON AND WHY.

She has a Platform vs Obama's platitudes. She has solutions versus Obama's airy words of "hope". She has a 35 yr preparation for daring to run for the Presidency, he has a drop. She fearlessly fights even lost causes that are right (Universal Health Care during Bill's time); Obama avoids votes on sticky subjects for political packaging (not only IL present votes but avoided the Iran vote recently and mroe); He is playing the Race and Victim card; She hasn't even touched the Gender card; the Corp Media and Right-Wingers like Novak are all pushing Obama and raises question "why"? They are trashing Hillary and Bill with utter Obama Camp spins; Hillary has been vetted and held accountable; Obama on words of "hope" is being allowed to coast with no accountability or specifics...51% of U.S. are women and we finally have a candidate we can vote for not simply because she's a women..but finally, finally someone who truly is a national figure and absolutely (like with all higher jobs in America) better than the guys by lots to even be considered and let alone get the job. It's TIME...TIME that the 51% (WOMEN) gets represented versus a non-vetted half-term senator who is after all a WHITE MAN (if he can be called black, he can be called white being 1/2 and 1/2 !! )who represents (by 1/2 blood only) a group that is only 8%. Black MEN got suffrage BEFORE ALL WOMEN...It's TIME...TIME that a Highly Qualified WOMAN gets the Presidency before a very little vetted and qualified MAN gets it again. And..so much more...such little time as to why most definitely Senator Hillary Clinton is my household's candidate.

[Beacool]

15. Just remember one thing:

Obama withheld his vote and effectively voted "present" last year during the Gen. Petraeus MoveOn ad controversy. Say whatever you might, but at least Hillary has the gumption to step up to the plate and cast a vote.

[MH1]

16. First reason - Open technology for open government

Please read http://lessig.org/blog/2007/11/4barack.html

That's Lawrence Lessig's endorsement of Obama last November. He links to Obama's technology and innovation plan. Oh heck to save you time here is that link:

http://lessig.org/blog/Fact%20Sheet%20Innovation%20and%20Technology%20Plan%20FINAL.pdf

If I have time I will post more later on other topics.

[kelligesq]

18. what I want to know is who is giving 32million$ to Obama? I suspect workers

at corporations under orders plus corporations.

As can be seen from DU, individuals here dont give 2500 at a clip.

32 million in one month?? I'd like to see where that money is coming from

[MH1]

26. FEC makes that available already, eventually.

That information will be available eventually in accordance with the current FEC rules. I believe Obama has supported a move to require electronic filings so that the information can be posted more quickly, but as far as I know that hasn't passed. (if I had time I would look it up and get you the link - maybe someone else can)

Anyway, Obama's filings will be available as soon as Clinton's are, I'm sure.

Meanwhile has Clinton released the full donor list for the Clinton Presidential Library?

Oh, did you see that Obama had more than 170,000 new donors too? 32 mil divided by 170K = approx $188 average per new donor, if I did the math right. But surely there are returning donors in the 32 mil number (yeah I'm lazy I should look that up too), so anyway the average per donor will be less than $188.

[GoldieAZ49]

27. From individuals like me

The thread on it had links I think real clear politics was one

Obama Campaign report on the increase:

In the hours before Iowans went to their local caucuses four weeks ago, the 500,000th person donated to our campaign.

It took us nearly a year to grow that unprecedented base of individual donors. We rejected donations from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs and relied on ordinary people to take ownership of this campaign -- and the result was more donors than any presidential primary campaign has had in history.

Here's the news today: so far in January alone, more than 224,000 people have given to this campaign.

[maximusveritas]

17. Hillary Clinton: "I intend to build a centrist coalition in this country"

Meanwhile, here's Obama praising RFK:
"his was not a centrism in the sense of finding a middle road or a certain point on the ideological spectrum. His was a politics that, at its heart, was deeply moral – based on the notion that in this world, there is right and there is wrong, and it’s our job to organize our laws and our lives around recognizing the difference."

While his campaign speeches admittedly have no substance, he's made a number of policy speeches that are more substantive than anything from Clinton. They're all on his website in addition to detailed plans on every issue. His book also does a good job of explaining his view of the issues, but it doesn't have all the details his website does.

[kelligesq]

20. There you go-no dif between Clinton & Obama - both bringing in rethuglicans- centrist

[kelligesq]

21. Great-your choice is between the right n the right - VOTE EDWARDS

[maximusveritas]

23. Except Obama's not building a "centrist" coalition

He's building a coalition of people who want change. As my quote from him on RFK shows, he's opposed to centrism.

[kelligesq]

25. My ears are lying? He said in a speech he would bring in repugs to his administration=centrist

[maximusveritas]

28. Edwards said the same thing. Was he also a centrist?

Every previous administration has a token member of the other party. That doesn't make them centrist. Centrist means a specific thing and it's very different from bipartisanship. Look it up.

[kelligesq]

35. Edwards never said he would bring republicans in-never.No repug is populist

[maximusveritas]

39. You're wrong. Check this out

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/NEWS09/712040382/1001/NEWS

"John Edwards vowed Monday to include Republicans in his Cabinet if he's elected president."

And he said he doesn't want people who think just like him and that's true.

[GoldieAZ49]

19. Vote for Hillary

[kelligesq]

22. whatever happened to the Progressives? were they always "centrist" (on the right) ?

[Blue_State_Elitist]

24. Wonder who they will endorse????

:sarcasm:

[UALRBSofL]

29. You'll just have to use your best judgment

Because if you look at there platforms which are on there websites they are similar. I'm a Clinton supporter but I'm not going to sway you. And think about who you think will be most electable in the GE.

[Renew Deal]

30. I got it (Just Hillary and Obama)

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[Zueda]

31. Woot! Just voted!

Thanks for the heads-up!

[MadBadger]

33. Voted for Obama

[kelligesq]

36. Voting on Move on is for previous registered members, &

they may not endorse anyone.

[Straight Shooter]

37. Don't vote for either of them, if you truly support your candidate

The right wing will link your candidate at the hip with the "General Betray Us" ad. They'll show images, side-by-side, implying a direct relationship.

[blm]

38. Vote for the one who believes in Open Government.

Since that is the one issue that EFFECTS every other issue.