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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:47 PM
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Obama's main claim to fame is that he's a compelling speech-maker
Obama had successfully appealed in Iowa to an American yearning for change from the Bush years.

Everyone - Democrat and Republican - jumped on the change bandwagon. Clinton pointed out, however, that it's not enough to hope and demand change; you had to be able to define what change you want and had to be able to deliver it.

Obama riposted that this failed to take account of the sort of impetus for change created by great rhetoric of the kind used by John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King. So far, so good. Normal political exchange.

Note it was Obama who introduced King into the debate, on his side. Clinton then made the obvious, and surely entirely legitimate, factual point that King's rhetoric had certainly been the indispensable inspiration for change, but that president Lyndon Johnson's efforts had also been indispensable in actually getting civil rights legislation through the Congress against deep opposition from parts of his own party.

The place went into meltdown. This was said to disrespect King. How could Clinton equate King to Johnson? She wasn't: she was simply pointing out that both were necessary, one to inspire and one to deliver.

Soon her words were being construed not just as disrespect but as hidden racism. Make no mistake: Obama's people joined in briefing the media and others extensively to create this impression.

The Clintons' record on race in general, and King in particular, has over decades of their public life proved unimpeachable.

They have both been champions of the black cause. Yet from that moment on, the Clintons have been assailed (with obvious glee and encouragement from Republican commentators) for allegedly mounting a subliminal race campaign.

It's a tragedy for Obama that this has happened. The consequence has been exactly what you would expect. In the Nevada caucus, blacks voted overwhelmingly for Obama and non-blacks voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. In South Carolina, the black vote was 53 per cent of the total. Obama secured 80 per cent of it. That's the reason for his overwhelming victory there. He won only 23 per cent of the non-black vote. Contrast this to Iowa, where he won a large proportion of the white vote.

Yes, this is a tragedy, but it's entirely his own fault for allowing his manifest shock and petulance at his defeat in New Hampshire to stop him doing the obvious thing. He should have vigorously defended the Clintons from the first moment on the racism charge. By letting it run, by allowing his operatives to encourage it, by appearing aggrieved, the very thing he has worked so hard to avoid has happened: he became "the black candidate."

This same petulance and obvious outrage at criticism is manifest in another key example, one for which Bill Clinton is taking the blame. One of Obama's most effective criticisms of Hillary Clinton is that she voted for the resolution authorising the Iraq war, while he not only opposed it from the start but (and this is crucially important) he had consistently opposed the war ever since. Bill Clinton expressed his frustration that this story of consistent opposition over years was a "fairytale" the media had bought into uncritically.

In fact, said Clinton, Obama in 2004 said he did not know how he would have voted on the resolution authorising the war.

Remarkably, Obama has managed to persuade the media that this was a lie by Clinton that he would correct. He hasn't corrected it, because he can't. The record shows that Bill Clinton was right. Obama did say that. He has not been consistent in the terms he set himself.

Now get this. Obama's defence to saying this in 2004 is that he was supporting John Kerry for president at the time. Kerry had voted for the war and was continuing to justify his support for his vote. Obama said that he did not want to cause Kerry political embarrassment so he said that he, Obama, did not know how he would have voted.

But hold on. Isn't this the candidate who's about change, whose whole candidacy is based on a "different kind of politics"? Isn't this the candidate who says the country can no longer tolerate political spin, that lying in the name of political advantage is what's destroying the country? Yet on the very issue he identifies as the biggest moral issue facing America (the Iraq war) the issue on which he most often attacks Hillary Clinton (the original vote on the Iraq war), Obama effectively states that he was lying for political advantage.

Obama's main claim to fame is that he's a compelling speech-maker. Yet unlike the rhetoric of a Kennedy or King, Obama's rhetoric seems aimless. He calls for hope, for change. Fine, but hope to do what, to change to what? He hasn't said yet. He doesn't seem to know. Shorn of purpose, his rhetoric seems increasingly an exercise in technique and style, "sound and fury, signifying nothing". He says that one of the high qualities of leadership is the ability to inspire by words, and he is right. It's a rare ability. But inspire to what end?

It's a pity. He promised so much.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23140008-7583,00.html
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:49 PM
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1. He doesn't write his speeches.
So how much more empty is that?
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:21 PM
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18. B.S. I know of at least one he wrote:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:27 PM
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20. His rallies are often unscripted also
A valid case that he can't speak off script hasn't been made.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:49 PM
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2. *chuckle* Hillary's allies in the foreign press have been trying to write Obama's epitaph for weeks
Fortunately, no one in the US pays much attention to them.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:51 PM
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3. The facts are a bitch :-)
:-)
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:53 PM
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4. Not many footnotes in the article, but a whole lotta opinions
:)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:23 PM
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19. the FACT is Hillary's main claim to fame is being married to Bill Clinton. And voting for the IWR
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:54 PM
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5. actually thats may be true in australia but not here
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:54 PM
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6. looks like its fox news, mate
no?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:56 PM
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9. Really? Murdoch's people? The ones who endorsed Obama in NYC?
There goes that talking point!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:55 PM
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7. Just like GWB, anyone disagrees with him was unpatriotic
Anyone who disagrees or even questions Obama is a racist.

The Media enabled both of them to carry this off.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:56 PM
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8. Kick and recommend for "Post of the Week" honors.(eom)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:56 PM
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10. His endless "explanations" turn me off... so off...
"Obama's defence to saying this in 2004 is that he was supporting John Kerry for president at the time. Kerry had voted for the war and was continuing to justify his support for his vote. Obama said that he did not want to cause Kerry political embarrassment so he said that he, Obama, did not know how he would have voted."

That's not the only example... but that's what I'm talking about.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:56 PM
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11. Wanna know why he sounds like Kennedy?
Because one of Kennedy's ex-speech writers works for Obama. People are so easily played. It's so friggin sad that we would even consider nominating a guy that has almost zero experience applicable to being president because he is black was cunning enough to hire an ex JFK speechwriter. I truly give up on this country and politics as a whole if we are dumb enough to nominate him.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:20 PM
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17. And who is that? Link?
It certainly isn't this guy, because he's only 26 years old:

Jon Favreau has the worst and the best job in political speechwriting. His boss is a best-selling author who doesn't really need his help, having written the 2004 speech that catapulted him onto the national stage. At the same time, the same boss also happens to be capable of delivering a speech in ways that can give his audience the goosebumps.

But Barack Obama is more than a little busy campaigning across Iowa and New Hampshire right now. So it was Favreau who led the team that wrote Obama's victory speech in Des Moines last week—a moment that prompted the TV pundits to drop months of skepticism about Obama's candidacy to make breathless comparisons with the Kennedy era.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/84756
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:39 PM
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22. Ted Sorenson
Google it.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:56 PM
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12. The only reason Johnson signed that bill...
was because Kennedy introduced it. The bill had been introduced by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963. He sent a bill to Congress on June 19.

What did Johnson have to say about the bill to his aide Bill Moyers after its passage? "I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come."

Had Kennedy never introduced that bill, Johnson would have certainly never introduced it.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:57 PM
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13. An editorial from an Australian newspaper. I care.
And you should keep it to four paragraphs when quoting copyrighted material, and not post the whole damn article.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:00 PM
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14. "no one in the US pays much attention to them."
Another hallmark of the Bush administration. WHO CARES WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS! Yeah, that kind of thinking always works out SO well. My cousin in Canada told me that there was a poll conducted up there and Hillary was Canadians' pick for President, if they had a say. And no, it's not just about name recognition, as she gets all the major news networks like CNN, FAUX, MSNBC, etc. and has been following the Obama story.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:08 PM
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15. here's the transcript and video on Moyers on the MLK "slight"
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011908A.shtml
Hillary Clinton: Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done."

Bill Moyers: There was nothing in that quote about race. It was an historical fact, an affirmation of the obvious. But critics pounced. THE NEW YORK TIMES published a lead editorial accusing Senator Clinton of "the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change." Suddenly we had a rhetorical inferno on our hands, with charges flying left and right, and pundits throwing gasoline on the tiniest of embers. Fortunately the furor has quieted down, and everyone's said they're sorry, except THE NEW YORK TIMES. But I can't resist this footnote to the story.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:15 PM
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16. I like this about the vindictiveness and lack of graciousness:
"He showed the same vindictiveness and lack of magnanimity after his victory in South Carolina. The first part of his victory speech was a deeply unpleasant attack on the Clintons. No graciousness there. And how did he handle defeat in New Hampshire and Nevada? With a combination of denial, petulance and the launching of a successful campaign to persuade the American media that the Clintons were engaged in a campaign of lies about him and, even worse, in a campaign of surreptitious racism."

Also, you may need to edit down to a few paragraphs your OP - for copyright

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:33 PM
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21. I hate to say it but he has a few personality flaws in common w/ Bush
Arrogance, stubborness and a type of peevishness. He's rather full of himself.
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