There are times my mouth gets in front of my passion..I will try to do better

[KennedyGuy]

Yes..
Believe it or not..I have a lot of passionate beliefs.
I also take some things personally..which is not a good trait..but one that goes along with passion.
Let me tell you a bit about me.
I am a gay man.
I live my life shattering gay myths.
I am 100 per cent anti war.
I support our troops however.
I serve in the military..proudly..to show people that gays CAN serve..and that liberals do OPPOSE the war, yet SUPPORT the troops.
I am HIGHLY respected by my commanding officers and those who serve under me.
I have met too many good men with traumatic brain injuries, and lost limbs, who paid the price for Chimpy's mistake.
I have spent hours on the phone, talking soldiers out of comitting suicide until help reached them.
I work for the Boy Scouts (another anti-gay organization)..mentoring youth..as a gay man, and have the support and respect of all of my superiors.
I am also a mentor for a young male organization for troubled youth, and work daily to show them the way to accomplish positive things..we have made great strides.
I do not back away from a fight.
I speak a lot before thinking..a trait many of us share.
I was here on Iowa night...
I posted a thread congratulating Obama..I was told "Fuck off loser"
ON NH night, when Hillary won..an Obama supporter posted about how bwad she felt. I encouraged her that although I did not support her candidate, that she shpuld never give up hope.
I also get carried away..
a lot.
Double standards are a sore spot for me..i stick up for the underdog and never give up the fight.
I have gone over the line at times.
If I offended, I apologize for my language..not my beliefs.
I have been inspired form a few supporters tonight..
I will try to improve..and not go over the line again.
I am capable of vividly expressing my beliefs without getting personal.
All I ask..is that others do the same.

[Flabbergasted]

1. Man that's a really great synopsis. Thank you.. KR

:pals:


You're really brave.

[MichiganVote]

2. You're going to need to put a lot of people on ignore Kennedy

[KennedyGuy]

4. I put no one on ignore..dissenting views is why I am here

I learn from those I disagree with.

[tekisui]

3. Thanks for sharing.

We are a passionate group here. I've said before, we wouldn't be here if we didn't care.
:thumbsup:

[NMDemDist2]

5. you're OK in my book d00d

:pals:

[AGirl]

6. I always root for the underdog and hate double standard as well. That's why I support Hillary.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

7. "Double standards are a sore spot for me..i stick up for the underdog and never give up the fight."

So then please explain(unless you're on medical duty):

I am 100 per cent anti war.
I serve in the military

Uhh, why?

You do realize that when push comes to shove, the military is asked to do one thing and one thing only--fight, participate in war?

I'm not picking a fight, really. I just don't get it and see this sort of thinking communicated all of the time, and I don't get it.

Like you, "I am capable of vividly expressing my beliefs without getting personal."

[KennedyGuy]

9. for one thing..to prove a gay man can..

and I support those brave men. Its an honor thing for me.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

17. Please know I'm not pecking a fight here.

But I just don't get it.

I guess you could say that your belief that gay men and women should be able to serve in the military trumps your belief in being anti-war. But this begs a serious question: why would you want gay men and women to serve in something which you admit you oppose. Wouldn't a more rational thing be that you participate in something that you both believe in AND that supports the rights of gay men and women--marriage, adoption. In other words, wouldn't it be better to express your support of gay men and women through love (marriage and/or adoption) than through a mechanism of violence which you've admitted you oppose?

"Its an honor thing for me."
I don't get this. You honor something you oppose? Or you believe it's honorable for you to do something you oppose for the greater good of gay rights? And, if the latter is the case, then you would kill another human being in an unjust war (which is what military men and women are asked to do at times--even if they're gay)) to somehow make a point about gay rights?

Something here just doesn't seem right. Maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. If you're not really that anti-war, then things begin to make sense. Or if you're really not doing it to prove a point about gya rights, then things could make sense. But not as it stands--at least not to me.

[KennedyGuy]

21. It makes perfect sense to Me..thats the only barometer I have

I honor the MEN and WOMEN who serve...
Not all of the military support this war.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

28. If it makes sense to you, I suppose that's all that matters.

Again, thanks for the post.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

19. I forgot to tell you how much I liked the overall tenor of your post.

Thank you.

[1awake]

14. The is no discrepancy

between being anti-war and serving in the military. One can serve in the armed forces to defend.. protect, etc.. and still despise war itself.

[KennedyGuy]

16. exactly..thank you..

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

26. Hmmm, yes, but . . .

If one is serving in Iraq right now, is one protecting, defending, or etc.ing. How about in Viet Nam? Korea? WWI? Just asking.

I'd think that someone who is anti-war would avoid at all costs these grey areas. I wouldn't put myself in that position. Again, being anti-war makes being in the military problematic--especially considering the history of our involvement in various wars.

[KennedyGuy]

30. I can't answer that..I can only speak to how I feel about todays conflict.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. You're a good person.

:hug:

[Cooley Hurd]

10. I'll tell ya what...

You've pissed me off in the past, however, as long as you avoid calling members of the opposition names (which was what set me off to begin with), I'll chill out and honor a truce. Deal?

[KennedyGuy]

12. Deal.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. Awesome - I hereby apologize for my rancor...

:thumbsup::hi:

[salinen]

11. Stop being so healthy

[BootinUp]

15. I tried to defend you, just a gut feel

that you were a good guy. The mob shit pissed me off too.

Please stick around, it will pass. :)

[Bonobo]

18. I can forgive and even forget.

But I hope your actions will speak louder than your words.

[Blue-Jay]

20. Set your clock.

[KennedyGuy]

23. I am, above all, a man of my word

I hope you will call out those who attack me personally if I do not hit back.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. kick

[ruggerson]

Don't let the wolves get you down

this is just a message board on the web, it ain't real life.

[KennedyGuy]

27. I know that..I spend a lot of time in the real world

[ruggerson]

32. Every single person who posted their "Me too" in that thread

owes themselves and you a big apology.

But, like I said, don't stress it. It all amounts to a hill of beans and will be forgotten tomorrow.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. I like you.

:hi:

[DS1]

25. I have to hand it to you

You've really got the chumps here wrapped around your finger.

[BootinUp]

31. You are no better, really. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

33. I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt...

...once. ;)

[KennedyGuy]

36. I will continue to disagree with some..

I will, however, work to clean up the way I do it.

[Cooley Hurd]

38. Like I said - awesome!

:thumbsup:

[KennedyGuy]

34. I'll consider you as "not a fan" thanks for reading though.

[bicentennial_baby]

39. Exactement...

:thumbsup:

[KennedyGuy]

42. We'll put you down as another "not a fan"

thanks for reading...

[Midlodemocrat]

59. You might want to double check who you are posting to prior to posting such garbage .

Just a thought.

[DS1]

61. You might want to fuck yourself

:rofl:




smoochies! I love me some Midlo

[Midlodemocrat]

62. And I love me some DS1

:rofl:

[Turn CO Blue]

29. Well, thanks for that, at least.

I am one of those invisible DU'ers. I rarely even reply. But I'm here reading and reading every day. So when I want to actually start a thread, it's really rare and I try to put some thought into it. Maybe I'm mostly unsuccessful, but I do try to put some thought into it and "write" my heart out. I think I do try to be fair. I try to not let an "unconsidered" opinion get out. I try to back up stuff with links and sources. I can't say I've started a thread on the fly more than a few times in four years here.

So, I think you should know that it's difficult for people like me to see others who feel the need to post every angry or divisive thought every minute of the day.

I'd like us to continue raising the bar on the level of discourse, and I like to see more journal-like, diary-like posts here on DU. I see amazing articles and editorials that drop like stones. Amazingly researched or heartfelt, thoughtful posts - again, they drop like stones.

While every other near-thoughtless, snarky, vitriolic candidates thread seems to make it to the Greatest page. It makes no sense. Anything erudite or researched isn't "sexy" enough for this board! Does anybody read in the topic forums? And just who are the people recommending the worst of the threads? They really stand behind the idea of a "recommendation"? A recommendation SHOULD mean that the DU'er is recommending a thread as being beneficial, informative or wildly entertaining FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY! I wouldn't show most threads on the Greatest to my kids (21 and 17) because I want them to think liberals and progressives still effing capable of thoughtful, critical THINKING!

I get so irritated that here of all places, this has turned into a character-debate, horse-race about the candidates themselves INSTEAD of any analytical comparison of THE ISSUES. GD:P should be full of researched comparison on 100 factors about healthcare - instead we get 3,432 threads about "the snub". It makes me want to hang my head and cry. GDP should be full of 254 threads comparing energy platforms! Good god, Cheney WON'T be there makign and controlling the energy policy for the world anymore - who is comparing the candidate's stances in detail - without snarky, snide poop-throwing?

Who are the posters -- no offense, but people like you -- who feel the need to torment and torture the rest of the community with your anger and opinions - at ALL times? Sure sometimes, but why ALL the time? Just who do these 40-thread-a-day people think they are?

I also don't get how anybody can be so on-fire for a candidate and also so against another candidate! Good grief! They're all just people, no better than any of the other 6 billion people on the earth! I get so fed-up with this whole celebrity worship, cult of personality crap. Being President is just a contracted job - a powerful, important job, but just a job. We're not electing the next God, and they all have dirty, filthy hands.

I guess I must love it here, because I come back every damned day, several times a day.

But I think we can do better, be brighter, be a progressive force - but these low-end posts just drag us all down.

Can we just get away from the character-debate and stick to the fucking issues and planks?

Just some thoughts from an invisible DU'er. I'll go back to being invisible now.



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Edited to take out the unintentional smilies. And to say that I'm sorry if it seems like I'm being santimonious, not my intention.

[Bongo Prophet]

65. This post is the flower growing in the compost. It should be a post on its own.

PLease don't stay invisible too often, TCB.
Don't let the clowns get you on GDP
Many of the most irritating will leave this place,
when their jobs are done.
The freepers and freelancers will then have less fun
and old friends will return
we'll discuss what we've learned
when DU gets back some of its civility.


A flower from you
some verse from me
Slyly made
it seems to me to be a
fair trade.

:hi:

[elixir2]

35. Well done, KG. I had no problem with you passion and will continue the same.

[Harkpark]

37. That is normal

Passion control mouth
Mouth just being honest

[dsc]

40. I must say you have more guts in your little finger

than I, and most people here, have in their whole bodies. Keep up the good work in the real world, and stop by the LGBT forum too.

[Armstead]

41. A motto we all should remember....

"Just because I dislike like your candidate doesn't mean I dislike you."

Good post, BTW

[Cass]

43. KG, you're a good egg.

I admire you for posting this.

:thumbsup:

[PeaceNikki]

44. Passion for politics and our own personal issues is a trait we all share,

Lack of discretion is also a very common trait. Perhaps the shitstorm helped you reflect a bit on your tendency to post without discretion and it's something that it seems a lot of folks around here could work to improve. Myself included.

You seem sincere in your post and it'd be nice if the general tone of this forum stepped up to be more peaceful in nature. It's a bit cliche, but you can't change other people's behavior; you can only change your reaction to their behavior.

After last night's debate there was a small window of joy and unity. It'd be nice to see more of that around here. This is a historic presidental nomination and I look forward to the day when we can celebrate a Democratic victory together and put the doom, gloom and hatred behind us.

Peace.

[chieftain]

45. To be honest with you ,several of your posts have really

pissed me off. I have been very concerned about the decline in civility on the Board and have deleted many response posts before pushing the send key so I wouldn't add to the general rancor in DU.That said, I want you to know I really appreciate this post of yours. As an Obama supporter it is clear we disagree on who we would like to see leading the Democratic Ticket. But it is also clear we both share an abiding passion to get our beloved country back to its core values. I salute you for your service to our country and applaud your commitment to rescuing America from the crooks and thugs that have led it for the past 7 years. I apologize for my judging you without knowing you and tell you sincerely that I regret the dumb, hurtful comments from my fellow Obamaites that you cite in your post. Peace.

[KennedyGuy]

46. You are the kind of poster that inspired me to write this

The personal attacks againts ME, were of no import..i have been attacked all my life.
But sincere posts like yours, and a few others, made me aware that I was attacking PEOPLE..and although it was OK to disagree with those people, I had no right to hurt the PEOPLE behing the opinions.
My future actions will speak for themselves.

[chieftain]

53. You're a class act.

[tandot]

47. I was hoping you'd post something like that. THANKS!

The sad thing is that some DUers have put you on ignore and won't get to read this.

I think some DUers on both sides could try to improve and discuss issues "without getting personal"

:yourock:

[KennedyGuy]

48. I am only responsible for what I put out..

not how it is recieved...
My AA sponsor told me that "what other people think of you is none of your business"
words to live by.

[tandot]

52. You have a wise sponsor

:hi:

[Harkpark]

55. You responsible for self

What mouth say can affect surrounding
What other think make different between happy and lonely
So yes mouth your responsibility for own self happiness

[HughMoran]

49. There are times when we all succumb to potty mouth syndrome

We'll give you mulligan on this one.

[mtnsnake]

50. I've always been glad you're here

It's amazing how others will attack YOU for an opinion you made about a candidate, and then if you attack back, they act as if you were the one who started with the personal stuff.

Anyway, no one can ever question your loyalty and that means almost everything.

:thumbsup:

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. I do believe I like you.

Cheers!

[CyberPieHole]

54. I love reading your posts KennedyGuy...

Thanks for sharing that with us...your a cool guy.:hi:

[Joe the Revelator]

56. I've always liked you ,pumpkin....

even though you get on my nerves more then most people on here.

[KennedyGuy]

57. I always knew that wolshie...

[Joe the Revelator]

58. Its all in good fun, but don't go getting soft on me until after the convention

I need an arch nemesis.

[Thrill]

60. Oh please. You're such a phony

You post misleading threads and when people call you on it. You insult them. Your act is old.

[KennedyGuy]

66. We'll put you down as another humble and perfect fan of mine

Thanks for taking the time to throw an insult and take a dump in an apology thread..
you do YOURSELF proud.
I will continue to try to clean up my act..but am more than ready if you and the mean girls try it again.

[MoonRiver]

63. I'm proud to have you on Team Clinton with me!

:hug:

[Satyagrahi]

64. Why not start positive threads about Hillary and why you think that she is

the most qualified candidate (instead of calling her a "bitch" several times in a thread that supposedly was a "joke")?

That would be much more fun to read.