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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:27 AM
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Here's why Hillary's answer on garnishing wages for health care won't mattter in the campaign:
This morning on "This Week" on ABC, she was pressed about garnishing wages and dodged it a few times before saying, "George, there will be an enforcement mechanism, whether it is that or something else."

So she is open to the idea of garnishing wages. Her words.

However, because of the way Hillary operates, she will no doubt say something different in short order, and her supporters will point to THAT quote rather than her admission this morning, and they'll run with that one. The Clintons say different, and contradictory things to different audiences on different days, sometimes different hours, so NOTHING they say can be trusted. Not by rational people, anyway.

The Clintons' campaign will wiggle out of this wage garnishing issue very easily, aided by their enablers who just don't care about the issues and are obviously supporting her because of what she is, not who she is.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:30 AM
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1. I will remember that ONE of our candidates will be President
And all of the Bush enablers who have tried to undermine both Hilary and Obama will have wasted their time for naught. And we will be free of them here once more.
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ugdude Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:35 AM
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2. Hillary will bleed the middle class by garnishing wages for healthcare
and all you can do is talk about Bush?
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:39 AM
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4. Our wages are already being garnisheed for Medicare.
Do you think that the "middle class" should be able to opt out of it too?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:02 AM
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15. You used the correct term 'garnishee' - kiss me! nt
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:19 PM
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34. I will be happy to kiss you especially
because you are a Red Sox fan. Unfortunately, I had an unfair advantage in getting the term right--I'm a lawyer.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:41 AM
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6. We're done
You're ignored. Go bait someone else jackass.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:37 AM
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3. Her opponents won't let her wiggle out of it
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:42 AM
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26. And her supporters will find a way to make excuses for her quote.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:39 AM
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5. Since when does the president create health care law?
The only real power the president has over any health care bill is to either sign it or veto it.


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ugdude Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:44 AM
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7. She wants to take money out of my paycheck to fund her ridiculous healthcare plan
Mandating healthcare is murder for the poor.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:50 AM
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10. Would you rather it come out of your taxes to find single payer?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:29 PM
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31. Yes... I would! A progressive income tax that rolls back Bush's tax cuts...
for the rich should cover a single-payer system.

Garnishing wages is REGRESSIVE.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:38 AM
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23. Huh? SHE can't do that.
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:39 AM by Mika
Get real. The president doesn't mandate new laws or bills and then sign them regarding health care.

Our elected representatives in congress create the bills/laws that would change our health care system


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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:49 AM
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30. Then why is she even offering a plan? Hmmmm.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:54 PM
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33. Why are we (actually, the MSM) demanding one from the candidates?
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 12:55 PM by Mika
Distraction perhaps?

I'm more interested in hearing from presidential candidates about issues that a president has jurisdiction over. Like the military, Iraq, etc.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:46 AM
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8. ahh...a breath of fresh air! mika -you spoke the truth
yes the truth will set you free...the president has no power but the "bully pulpit" he or she will sign what the house and senate send to the big desk
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:44 AM
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27. Yeah, presidents are never involved with the formulation of legislation.
They just sit around in the Oval Office waiting for someone to bring them a bill to sign or veto. Uh-huh.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:51 PM
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32. Who said that? I asked how a prez alone could mandate such a thing?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:49 AM
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9. Sounds like the new GOP catch-phrase is "Garnishing Wages" to Attack HRC
Lie, Rinse, Repeat...Mega Dittoes....

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:52 AM
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11. Amazing, a RW talking point exposed on DU, what do you know
Who'd of thunk it.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:02 AM
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16. It's absolutely a RW talking point.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:04 AM
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19. I know, it needs to be a post so people can see through the sham
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:29 AM
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22. Can you make any other point than "It's a RW talking point"?
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:32 AM by godai
You do this again and again on DU. How about giving your opinion on the issue? We, who support Obama over Clinton, are Democrats. You contribute nothing with the RW talking points spin except pile up posts.

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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:44 AM
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28. Just using Hillary's own words. Facts are pesky creatures, huh?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:58 AM
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12. Mandatory health insurance = universal health care in Clintonworld
:crazy:

Only there are now video clips of her talking about going after wages (this morning) and having to prove you have health insurance to get a job (from another show).

No lengthy, torturous soliliquy from her is going to effectively counter that with the general public.

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:00 AM
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13. I pay a portion of my health care now. I would be more affordable
under Clinton. What the hell is wrong with you people spinning and distorting and looking for reasons to hate her more.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/2/17171/13211

However, without mandating coverage, a "free rider" problem is created. Under Obama's plan, healthy people can choose not to buy health insurance until they experience a medical problem. At that point, they can simply buy into a plan with no added cost concerning their sickness.
In essence, they can free ride on the system while they're healthy, and they can just join up when they get sick. They won't be added to the pool until they're high risk, themselves. This increases costs for all.
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Obama's attacks on universal coverage strike a nerve with me because of the work I've done and the places I've heard his argument coming from.
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The essence of Enzi's argument is very much the same as Obama's argument against mandates. They're misleading, dispassionate, and in opposition to the ideals of the Democratic Party. Health care is a right, not a privilege. The only way to secure that right is to make it truly universal.
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ugdude Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:03 AM
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17. Many people would go bankrupt under Clintons healthcare
She will bleed us dry with her mandates.

You must be rich if you can afford mandates.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:06 AM
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20. Provide evidence if this claim please. NT
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:22 AM
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21. That is just an outrageous statement. What is the basis of that argument?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:41 AM
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25. There is no basis for the argument
More trolls...
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:47 AM
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29. Great idea!
If someone is unable to afford health care, we'll http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jld3VILFDbEY6uciu_lp_YgBnGqwD8UIUP3O0">"go after people's wages" because even though they can't afford to buy health care, they can certainly afford a government penalty, right?

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:01 AM
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14. The correct term is 'garnishee'. nt
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:03 AM
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18. Exact quote, please. Or can it until you can link to a transcript.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:38 AM
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24. That's what she said. "There will be an enforcement mechanism....
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 11:40 AM by hiaasenrocks
whether it's that or something else."

George was pressing her on garnishing wages.

Here's a link that gives more info: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jld3VILFDbEY6uciu_lp_YgBnGqwD8UIUP3O0

I'm sure you'll find a way to twist it. Keep your head in the sand and vote, though. By all means, don't think for yourself or listen to her own words! :hi:

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