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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:52 AM Original message |
Clinton suggests tapping wages |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Obama needs to hit her hard on this. |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. He tried a few times in the debates |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. NYT SCANDLE: Obama Lied to Iowa Voters |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. DAMN right..Obama took Exelon's $$, said A did B... |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
71. If you're going to spam |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Thanx! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. In what language? There are no such words in English. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. yikes |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Aww, I don't think you are an idiot... |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. thanks |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
95. Obama: Universal health care without the universal. n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
2. Payroll withholding - is a tax if Social Security - but a garnishment if Health? - AP smear |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. It was money they were required to pay but didn't pay. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. smear indeed - the framing is appalling.... |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is hitting the air waves. Not good for Hillary |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. This is going to fail. Obama's plan is more palatable. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:55 AM Original message |
Definitely. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. It may be more 'palatable' but it won't WORK... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. You cannot force people to buy health insurance (except I agree with the children's coverage |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. We FORCE them to pay into social security and the NHS requires participation.. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Yeah, uh...we're not Europe, in case you haven't noticed. We're not |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
93. Sure we will. We all love Medicare and the idea of Medicare for everyone |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. SS and NHS aren't run by private companies |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Why am I not surprised that a trickle down plan is favorable to Obama's supporters? |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. The hell with this crap |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. No income = no care. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Obama suggests tapping Healthcare |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. Here is the crazy part |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Also, her behind-closed-doors approach in the 90s was so successful.... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. I am so sick of hearing that meme from Clintonworld. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. it is only a fact that we have yet |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. I thought that "Universal Health Care" meant that care was |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Everyone has to pay into the kitty, adjusted by income |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Maybe if she wasn't planning to budget for the war for the next several |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. I see no real difference in her position on Iraq from Obama |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. So does Obama's |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Heres what cracks me up about Obamas slipperyness |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. Exactly. National healthcare means JUST THAT. Everyone pays in... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I get confused with the terms. I think what I wish I was hearing is "single |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Hillary's and Edwards plans is a bridge to single payer |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. That guarantees two Americas doesn't it? And that's not a bridge to single payer. it's a bridge |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. How many people that are eligible for medicare are in it? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
78. Everyone is automatically enrolled in medicare when they turn 65. There is no |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Thats not entirely true |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
104. Again, I gotta mention Canada. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
60. All three are similar. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. Yep, and I'm sorry to say. all three suck. All three use public tax dollars to subsidize |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
103. Thanks for the clarification. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Yep taxing American to pay for stadiums for insurance companies, towers |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. So, do you want universal health care or don't you? |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. Exactly! |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. nonsense - payroll tax if Social Security - garnishment if health? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. People who have money and pay their bills |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. Obama said he would fine people. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. No he didn't. He said if people might have to pay retroactive premiums |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Yes he did. Here is a link. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Thank you for the link. He did say he would "fine parents" so I am corrected. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. Clinton would also impose fines. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Under Clintons's plan the poor would get coverage at no expense. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. we'll see if you get universal health care out of obama. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. Fine by me. The way jobs are being offshored, it won't matter. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
19. That will go over real well in the GE - welcome to Hillary Care Part Deux |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It won't, because Hillary won't win the Nomination. Obama will. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
25. AP means the story will run everywhere |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. If new of that one statement gets out Hillary will be over |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
34. Here is some information that might help get past this blown out |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:17 PM Original message |
fuck you hillary. Maybe I'm not paying for health insurance for a reason. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
41. and i ,and my insurance cap are being "garnished for you" to get care then! see my post #38 eom |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. fuck you to |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
75. hmmm did you see your name on my post?? i do not remember posting your name?? |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. nope |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
72. me me me me me me me me me me me me me!!!!!! |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. tell you what |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. You are unware that Hillarys plan has income percentage caps too? nt |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. oh ok so the super rich actually pay |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Well imagine the opposite and you be actually right. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. maybe you need to check and see what Obama accomplished with single payer in Illinois |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
98. Reason? Why buy a cow when you can milk the neighbors cow through the fence. n/t |
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Prefer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
35. Sounds like North Fulton paying for Grady |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
36. Welcome to the White House President McCain. |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Exactly right... Hillary's words will be repeated ad nauseum... |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
38. my wages are garnished when people with no insurance go to the hospital with no insurance! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Exactly. nt |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. these little kiddies need to go home and play in the sand box because obviously they have no |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Some of us prefer progressive taxation over regressive wage garnishment... |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. sorry for the repeat n/t |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. helloooooooooo what part of this are you not getting ..we that have insurance are right now being |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
69. THANK YOU flyarm! (n/t) |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
43. Oh, good, another bullshit spin post... |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
92. oh yeah they want it but they do not want to pay for it..pass the payment off to others..or |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. Edward's plan suggested the same - both of them are RIGHT... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. These |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. and there are many more ..and economists that do agree and say Obama's plan is shit! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. And even more who say Obama's is |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. The Edwards Effect By PAUL KRUGMAN |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Obama's is not a universal health care plan..and do check what he promised |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. just do check out what obama promises and what he delivers.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
54. Video: |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. there are many types of propaganda..a video doesn't make it true!! obama's plan is shit! |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. Hillary's words are the final word -- just listen to them. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. The Edwards Effect By PAUL KRUGMAN |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
65. Fine with me, , as long as I get my money's worth out of it. n/t |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
76. K & R |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
79. what if you're unemployed? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Hillary's plan caps your responsibility based on income |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
96. Obama people take this as a word of advice,,.if you keep posting bullshit and propaganda..and |
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