Video: Hillary on "going after people's wages"

[ProSense]

Video: Going after people's wages (8:17)


Watch the whole thing, see how long it takes Hillary to answer the question!

[peacebird]

1. can you please give a synopsis for those of us on dial-up?

thanks!

[ProSense]

2. Here:

AP article

[peacebird]

3. good grief...

:eyes:

what a BAD idea....


(thanks ProSense!)

[Nite Owl]

19. So some agency is going to

decide that someone makes enough to pay the insurance companies their tithe? That ain't going to go over well.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. "going after people's wages" What a load of crap.

More dishonest stuff filling our DU like crap in an outhouse.

[stevietheman]

5. OK, ignore what Hillary actually said then.

:eyes:

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. seriously. Look at the total package. Health care change requires

an overhaul of the system.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/2/17171/13211

However, without mandating coverage, a "free rider" problem is created. Under Obama's plan, healthy people can choose not to buy health insurance until they experience a medical problem. At that point, they can simply buy into a plan with no added cost concerning their sickness.
In essence, they can free ride on the system while they're healthy, and they can just join up when they get sick. They won't be added to the pool until they're high risk, themselves. This increases costs for all.
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Obama's attacks on universal coverage strike a nerve with me because of the work I've done and the places I've heard his argument coming from.
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The essence of Enzi's argument is very much the same as Obama's argument against mandates. They're misleading, dispassionate, and in opposition to the ideals of the Democratic Party. Health care is a right, not a privilege. The only way to secure that right is to make it truly universal.


Your superficial posts ignore everything and twist the statement to be the most sensational. And, of course it ignores the fact that OBAMA himself has said that there will be PENALTY for those who do not join in the mandates he has.

Bunch of BS.

[ProSense]

9. Yeah, look

at the full plan: Barack Obama and Health Care.

Read the analysis by more than 85 health care experts.

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. Prosense: you seem to act as if you know everything there is to know about this issue

Then you must know too that Obama said virtually the same thing in the debate about his plan.

So, why, then are you attempting to distort and twist this issue?

[ProSense]

12. "So, why, then are you attempting to distort and twist this issue?" Huh? here:

Don't take Obama's word for it on health care, read what the experts say

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. not answering the question I see.

Because, of course the reality is that Clinton's health care plan is progressive and comprehensive. And Obama's is lacking.

Because, of course, Obama has said the very same things about careful with drawl of troops from Iraq.

But, the truth, is not your goal, is it? The goal is to continue to use the Rovian tactics of spinning and distorting and twisting and then spewing out BS again and again until the truth is muddled in the crap.

And people come and support Bush (Obama) and don't even know that the truth was left behind long ago.

So much for change.

[ProSense]

16. Hillary: "going after people's wages." There is your answer. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. That's not what she said and you know it. STOP LYING. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

28. RW Spin: "free riders" and impoverished emergency room victims (read: poor unwashed losers)

"who can afford a television set, but can't pay insurance for their brats."

Yeah, THEY are to blame for the closure of city hospitals (serving the destitute for hundreds of years) and the skyrocketing health care costs.

Say nothing about the enormous cost of specialty care which upper-income Americans with insurance insist upon as a right not available in countries with "socialized medicine".

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[1corona4u]

6. Like I just said...

perhaps you're playing up the word 'garnish' to much. I don't see any difference in the way we are paying for SS, and medicare right now. Those are deducted from our pay, so consider it deducted, not garnished.

[evilkumquat]

8. Wow. Anything But Hurt Her Corporate Overseers...

The idea of forcing health insurance on everyone as opposed to socialized medicine...

It sure has the Insurance Agency lobby's fingerprints all over it, since they wouldn't be cut out of the loop.

Oh, but Clinton would only garnish wages for those who could "afford it". Right. So, who decides what is "affordable"...? The same people who decide to not cover life-saving surgeries for the very sick because it's not cost-effective to keep their customer alive, or that Viagra is covered but the female birth control pill isn't?

Why not treat health care costs like they do social security costs? Add another payroll tax, like say 2% of the gross pay, and require the employer to match it with another 2% (the social security and medicare payroll deduction is 7.65% for both the employee and his boss). These monies would go into the national coffers for health care. That way, everyone is still required to participate, but at a cost that won't hurt as much as the huge chunk usually taken out by most health plans. Hell, even if the health care deduction was 5%, that would still be a hell of a lot cheaper than the typical 10-25% pulled from those who already pay for employer-based health care coverage.

That's not enough to cover the costs of health care, you say? I think it probably would once the executives at all the health insurance corporations are no longer allowed to dip their fat fingers in the till and caps are put on just what can be charged for routine health services. During my wife's last hospital visit, she was charged over $1,000 for goddamned X-rays for crying out loud. I was charged $2,000 for a goddamned full-body scan where there isn't even any cost of materials (it's not like those MRIs require film or anything to hold an image- it's all held on computer media). Sure the machines are expensive, but even if they cost a million dollars, at $2,000 a pop, it'd be paid for with only 500 patients. What a goddamned joke.

Evil Kumquat

[Scurrilous]

10. K & R

:kick:

[tgnyc]

14. Garnishing wages sounds unnecessarily harsh. whatever happened to

"withholding" to describe what we're talking about. Doesn't seem like such a controversy then.

[Leopolds Ghost]

31. "witholding" is proportionate to salary. garnishment is not. n/t

[ProSense]

15. More:

On This Week, Clinton Again Refuses to Answer How She Will Enforce 'Mandate' WOULD BE ENFORCED

[JFKgirl]

17. she has no fucking clue about healthcare. She will bankrupt millions by forcing them to buy at her

high rates and then penalising them if they lose their job.

[adapa]

20. let me guess, you chose not to have insurance & expect the hospital & taxpayers to bail you out when

you get sick or break a leg?

"Here's a top contender for the most egregious political strategy of the current campaign season: the ObamacCampaign is now circulating a mailer that resuscitates the images of "Harry and Louise," the notorious stars of a political ad that was part of a $300 million campaign by the health insurance industry and others to bring down the Clinton administration's health reform proposal in 1993. The photograph of a middle-aged couple looking troubled as they pour over a pile of papers on their kitchen table adorns the first page of the Obama mailer -- but it looks like it could have been a screen shot taken from the original Harry and Louise piece.

But there's more. The accompanying copy in the mailer is nothing more than a list of untrue assertions and seemingly deliberate misrepresentations of Senator Clinton's positions on health care. It is simply false that Senator Clinton's plan would "force everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." In fact, Senator Clinton's plan not only includes nearly twice the resources for health care tax credits as the Obama campaign but would cap premiums at a low share of a family's income, to ensure that everyone could afford to be in the system. And according to the Commonwealth Fund, the best way to maximize cost reductions in health care is to make it truly universal, with an individual requirement as part of the shared responsibility needed to make the whole system work.

Yet if Hillary becomes the Democratic nominee, the Obama campaign has just packaged an ad that could be used, essentially unedited, by the Republicans next fall. To make matters worse, Barack Obama's resuscitation of Harry and Louise ad also helps bolster the cause of those who, at all costs, oppose meaningful health reform. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irwin-redlener-md/obama-hires-harry-and-lo_b_84716.html

[Leopolds Ghost]

30. I "chose" not to have insurance when I failed to get a job that affords me that option.

There is a reason insurance and pension are offered as benefits which many employers claim they cannot afford to provide: because these things cost money that the workers' overall wages (benefits included) cannot sustain unless the employer agrees to lower its profits (and Hillary does not support that.)

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Get a grip. That sounds mighty freeperish of you. MILLIONS will be paying into this. The costs will

be CHEAP! You either want Universal Health Care or you don't. We have 50 million people living with no insurance. Under her plan EVERYONE is covered! If you can't afford it, you're covered and if you work, then you pay according to her wage earner sliding scale. It's a win win for everyone.

A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS!

[Colobo]

18. Obama needs to do a TV ad on this!

[adapa]

21. Oh he is, remember the Repuks add about "Harry and Louise," in '93?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irwin-redlener-md/obama-hires-harry-and-lo_b_84716.html

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. And you're still LYING! 12 FUCKING HOURS Obama supporters have spread the LIE.

She never said she WOULD garnish wages. She gave 2 examples...one was auto-enrolling everyone and the other was they COULD garnish wages, but ONLY FROM PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO BUY THE INSURANCE AND REFUSE TO DO SO. Everyone has to participate or it won't work. NO ONE will be charged for the insurance if they cannot afford it! I watched the entire interview!

The plan will be a wage earner sliding scale and EVERYONE will be covered. Period. If you can't afford, you get help.

Stop with all the fucking lying. You people are truly pathetic.. I cannot WAIT until Obama loses this election and we don't have to listen to all your bullshit lies day after day after day.


on edit, while I have the time...Obama wants to make people pay for insurance WHILE THEY ARE AT THE FUCKING HOSPITAL IN A CRISIS...IF THEY HAVEN'T BOUGHT INSURANCE.

Hillary's plan is a wage earner sliding scale. A multi-millionaire will pay more than someone who earns $200,000 and someone who earns $200,000 will pay more than someone who earns $60,000 and if someone is unemployed, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY!!!!!

I have private insurance policy and pay $560.00 a FREAKIN' MONTH! You cannot tell me that if we have a plan where MILLIONS of people are paying into it, that my insurance costs will not go down SUBSTANTIALLY! They will and so will everyone else's that has to buy private insurance!

[ProSense]

27. You can scream "FUCKING" all day and that will not change the facts. n/t

[suston96]

26. Post the whole quote....the exact words she said......fines are an option...

Social Security and Medicare are mandates.....Millions of workers pay into them all their working lives before they start collecting or using them. Some may not even live to do so.

Health care for all works in many countries in spite of the anecdotal bullshit posted around here.

Let me help:

STEPHANOPOULOS: I want to bear down on this question one more time…. Will you garnish wages of people who don’t comply, don’t buy the insurance?

SEN. CLINTON: George, we will have an enforcement mechanism. Whether it’s that or it’s some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments.

Can you read plain English? It was an option and a distant one at that.

[Leopolds Ghost]

29. Social Security and Medicare are NOT Mandates. Quit watering down the New Deal with RW Spin.

Mandates are, by definition of the word, individual requirements to purchase an individual commodity, provided by private for-profit companies (all of whom are major political players) with limited government competition in niche markets. Sorry but you aren't allowed to redefine the English language by redefining what universal health care means. It's not some mythical entity that is subject to interpretation.