Why does Obama talk like a republican?

[AGirl]

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., this morning left open the possibility that, if elected, her government would garnish the wages of people who didn't comply with her health care plan. "We will have an enforcement mechanism, whether it's that or it's some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments," Clinton said in an appearance on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos".

Clinton went on to say, though, that such mechanisms would not include penalties. "They don't have to pay fines … We want them to have insurance. We want it to be affordable. And what I have said is that there are a number of ways of doing that. Now, there's not just one way of getting to that."



Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has raised questions about how Clinton intends to pay for and implement her universal health care plan. Clinton responded to her opponent, saying "The misleading information that Sen. Obama's campaign is putting out, that I will force people to do it even if they can't afford it, is absolutely untrue."

"It's so reminiscent of old 'Harry and Louise' talking about how, 'Oh, the sky will fall if we try to have universal health care.' He's playing right in to all of the arguments against this core value of the Democratic Party," she said in response to a recent Obama campaign mailer criticizing her plan.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=4235448&page=1

[Buzz Clik]

1. Hm. So criticizing Hillary is now equivalent to "talking like a Republican?"

The criticism for her comments are not limited to Obama. I guess there are a helluva lot of "Republicans" at DU.

[Maribelle]

11. Tim Russert and Jeb Bush - - exactly how Obama talks today.

The last time he ran for governor of florida, Russert moderated the debate. Of issue was the smaller classroom initiative, which ended up being voted in by Floridians.

But before the vote, and during the debate, Russert hammered the democratic candidate on how he was going to pay for the initiative, and was his only recourse to raise taxes. The democrat said he would need to do whatever it took if the voters passed the initiative.

Jeb got a free pass. And as Russert continued to press the democrat on how he was going to pay for it - - Jeb shrugged his shoulders and said to Russert something like "see what I mean about him Tim".

Jeb drained from the school district's of Flordia as much as he could, and completely mismanaged the voter's initiative on smaller classroom size.

But Timmey loves widdle Jebby, and would, I bet, give him the exact free pass to the detriment of Florida's kids.

Obama is receiving a free pass on too many issues, I'm afraid.

[Buzz Clik]

28. Obama was questioned on this subject. He received no pass.

Nobody likes Russert -- Republicans or Dems.

[Maribelle]

31. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has raised questions about how Clinton intends to pay for and implement..

her universal health care plan.

You just gave Obama a free pass on this. Do you even realize you proved my point?

[papau]

12. Actually - there appear to be a lot of DUers that will accept "small step change" from Obama in lieu

of larger step change from Hillary.

"talking like a Republican?"? - perhaps "liberal Republican" as in a Nixon

[Maribelle]

15. A reality check needs to be, done, however: is Obama being honest about his plan?

Obama seems, at times, to be doing system design on the fly, not though a thoughtful, structured, methodology.

An old Chinese wives tale needs to be heeded here: beware of small steps through dog poo.

[workinclasszero]

27. Score! /nt

[Maribelle]

2. One reason: he is behind with registered democrats, and needs republicans and independents

Obama wants desperately, as he so blatantly wanted in New Hampshire, for non-party folks to select the party's nominee.

[miceelf]

4. yeah

God forbid we get independent voters to vote for a Dem. that would be terrible.

[Maribelle]

19. In the General Election, by all means.

However, I firmly believe that registered democrats are the one's that should be selecting the democratic nominee. Not the "democrats for a day" vote pandering Obama has done with republicans and independents.

To have voted in the Florida primary as a democrat, you needed to be a registered democrat in December of 2007.


I'm funny that way, you know.

[Jamastiene]

36. "I firmly believe that registered democrats are the one's that should be selecting the democratic

nominee."

:thumbsup:
Here here.

[ananda]

3. memes and vote riggin

Obama musta fallen for the meme that Reeps actually
count for something in this country.. because that's what
MSM want you to think.

Then there are those demmed infernal machines and
all that state secretary of state vote rigging going on, so
he prolly feels that he has to win by a very large margin,
which includes Reeps.

Puke puke puke.

[avaistheone1]

5. Hhhmm - because Obama behaves like a republican.

[Marie26]

6. dog-whistle politics. nt

[panader0]

7. 16 years of woking on health care and that's ALL she can come up

with?

[mtnsnake]

8. Well look at who his mentor is

[AGirl]

9. ewww :( That's way too big , I am going to be sick.

[madrchsod]

14. what`s wrong with dick durbin?

[mtnsnake]

24. That doesn't look like Dick Durbin to me. n/t

[Jamastiene]

37. Let's not forget his other mentor, Mr. "Well, I don't know."

[Bluerthanblue]

10. why do you swallow the "double-speak" on Hillary's - no penalties-

crap?

Parse it any way you want- There will be a COST- to those who don't have health insurance- a cost that they may not be willing/able to pay. If that isn't a "penalty"- then call it anything you like. The result is the same.

peace~

[papau]

13. -Obama is wrong on Health - Gaming the system via no ins until sick screws the rest of us

[TechBear_Seattle]

20. And Clinton is right?

Her plan comes down to extorting money out of pockets of the poor into the pockets of insurance companies. There is NO guarantee of getting actual services, as anyone who has see Sicko knows quite well.

[papau]

30. nonsense - only her plan actually regulates the ins co's - that is why Ins is for Obama

[sfam]

17. It took George S. 3 TIMES to get Hillary to admit that...

Face it, Hillary was trying to cover this part of her plan up. She WOULDN'T talk about it. Obama pointed this out - this is hardly nasty of him (at least the pointing this out part) - its part of her plan.

[ClassWarrior]

16. You think that's bad? You should check out some of the Clinton defenders around here.

One actually said that sensible gun legislation = "taking away folks' guns."

Now THAT'S talking like a Rape-Publican.

NGU.

[SoFlaJet]

18. HILLBOT ALERT!!!!

I'm starting to recognize the names of these staffers who continuously post these pro-Clinton anti-Obama threads non-stop all day and all night. I think they believe that Orwell's 1984 is a good role model..oh yea and Karl Rove

[Maribelle]

23. Hillbots? You're starting to recognize the names of these???

Whew. Thank god.















:patriot: GOMAMMA! :bounce:

[TechBear_Seattle]

21. Republicans haven't talked about fiscal responsibility in at least 15 years

I hardly think questions about "How will you pay for this?" are irrelevant or irresponsible.

[niceypoo]

22. Obama is delusional as are anyone who believes he will bring republicans into the party

he is playing on false hope of those with no idea of how the republicans have always operated. Republicans dont do unity and he knows it, he is running a dishonest campaign

[stillcool]

26. "Always Operated"...

I think that is the point of his campaign.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."---Abraham Lincoln.

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists, is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."-- Robert F. Kennedy

“The future will not belong to those who sit on the sidelines. The
future will not belong to the cynics. The future belongs to those who
believe in the beauty of their dreams.”---Paul Wellstone

[stillcool]

25. I am not getting your title...

but since you brought up "Republican" I figured you were talking about attacks like this?...

Nazi reference by Clinton supporter repudiated by her campaign

LOS ANGELES, Calif. (Map, News) - Just hours after Hillary Clinton adopted a respectful, almost friendly tone with Barack Obama in a Democratic debate, her campaign orchestrated a conference call in which a health-care specialist referred to a Nazi march in denouncing an Obama flyer. Clinton aides convened pro-Clinton health care analysts on Friday to respond to a new Obama flyer that says: "Hillary's health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." The flyer features a photo of a worried-looking married couple sitting at a kitchen table.

"I am personally outraged at the picture used in this mailing," Nichols told reporters on the conference call. "I just find it disgusting that this kind of imagery is being used to attack the only way to get to universal coverage."
He added: "It is as outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois."

It was a reference to a Nazi splinter group, the National Socialist Party of America, that won a court case 30 years ago allowing them to march through a Chicago suburb with a sizeable Jewish population.

The reference set off strong denunciations by Obama supporters, who accused the Clinton campaign of going way beyond the bounds of acceptable political discourse.

What did the mailer actually say?....

The way Hillary Clinton's health care plan covers everyone is to have the government force uninsured people to buy insurance, even if they can't afford it.
"....forcing those who cannot afford health insurance to buy it through mandates..punishing those who don't fall in line with fines."
-The Daily Iowan December 21, 2007

Punishing families who can't afford health care to begin with just doesn't make sense.

Barack Obama believes that it's not that people don't want health care, it's that they can't afford it. That's why the Obama plan covers every American by reducing costs more than Hillary Clinton's, saving the typical family up to $2,500 per year.
Bill Clinton's own Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich, wrote, "I've compared the two plans in detail...But my view Obama's would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC's."-Robert Reich, December 3, 2007

The Obama Health Care Plan:

-offers health care coverage for all Americans similar to that of members of Congress, and subsidies to help those who cannot afford it.
-Reduces insurance costs more than Hillary's plan, including capping insurance company profits in places where they take advantage of people.
-Saves the typical family up to $2,500 per year.
Read the entire plan at BarackObama.com

[LowerManhattanite]

29. Bot n/t

[QC]

32. Why do ducks quack like ducks? n/t

[Jim Sagle]

33. He IS a Republicon, that's why.

[Gloria]

34. Because being divisive with GOP ads is OK because he is Obama...and it's all

about Obama!

[eridani]

35. For the same reason Clinton talks like one

It's called centrist triangulation, and I don't like it from either of them.

[Levgreee]

38. Why does Hillary use rovian tactics and straight out lie?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

39. Because he doesn't

I hate this kind of shit. Neither Clinton nor Obama "talks like a republican."