Didn't Bill and Hillary fall short on the job of supporting Kerry in 2004?

[Bread and Circus]

:shrug:

Personally, I don't think Michelle Obama should be encouraged to "work for" Clinton. I certainly don't expect Bill or Elizabeth to work for Obama. Also my wife told me that if I were running and the Clinton's pulled the crap on me they pulled on Obama, she'd be very uninterested in working for them.

But alas, I know the Hillary supporters love to exhalt themselves in fake outrage but I don't remember the outrage around here when Bill and Hill's support of Kerry was fairly anemic. Hell, what I distinctly remember was how Hillary's Presidential intentions were being floated back then, as if all we had to do was "just wait 4 more years".

And what did the Clintons do for Gore? Not much. Not that the help was probably all that welcome. But considering Gore's character, this should probably tell you something about the Clintons.

Anyway, resume your fake outrage...

[TexasObserver]

1. Yes, they were no shows in 2004

The last thing the Clintons wanted was for any Democrat to win the White House in 2004.

Clinton ambition always comes first.

[Bread and Circus]

2. Where's all the fake outrage?!?!!?

aaahhahahggghaghaghahahaahahhghgggghghgh!!!! :mad: aaaaaaaaahahdahhahahhahahggghgahhghghghhgghaa1!!!!!!!

[maddiejoan]

5. Oh really?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=%22clinton+stumping+for+Kerry%22+&btnG=Search

[beachmom]

34. Oh, Bill's Philly appearance where he only talked about himself

and domestic policy during an election about war and national security?

[maddiejoan]

37. In other words

you didn't bother with the link

okay.

[MADem]

9. YEAH!! How DARE that ASSHOLE CLINTON have MAJOR HEART SURGERY!!! What a JERK!!!!

I love the way people make up stories and then get all outraged when they post absolute CRAP.

To refute this PANTS ON FIRE HORSESHIT:

Clinton Campaigns With Kerry in Philadelphia

Looking good, sounding better...former President Clinton "rises from his sick bed" to campaign with John Kerry in Philadelphia today....

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/10/25/444/05969

[Diane R]

30. Neither Clinton did much to help Kerry.... BEFORE Bill had surgery.

[MADem]

38. Oh bullshit. The guy got up out of his HOSPITAL bed to help the man, but that's not ENOUGH

for some folks.

KERRY lost that race with his own slow-footed, slow-witted, above-the-fray campaign style.

Love the way people are trying to blame Bill Clinton for JK's ham-handed fuckups, though. Says a lot...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. again, this is such a blatant lie.

[Deep13]

3. You might remember that Bill had by-pass surgery a very short time...

...before the election. Before that he had been campaigning hard for Kerry. After too short of a rest, Bill went back on the campaign trail for Kerry, probably risking his life in the process.

So, no, the idea that the Clintons did not support Kerry is an outright lie.

[MyNameGoesHere]

4. Yes i remeber that.

But today all i hear is how Bill Clinton is on his knees to Bill Richardson. If i have to act that way to support Obama i am afraid "You can count me out"

[Bread and Circus]

8. You mean this kind of support?

http://www.americablog.com/2007/06/bill-clinton-reportedly-told-john-kerry.html

Bill Clinton reportedly told John Kerry to throw gays under the bus during 2004 election. What is he telling Hillary, and is she listening?

by John Aravosis (DC) · 6/07/2007 01:25:00 PM ET · Link
Discuss this post here: Comment (0) · reddit · FARK ·· Digg It!

The Kerry Edwards 2004 campaign says Bill Clinton tried to throw gays under the bus. Bill Clinton's office says it's not true. Who do we believe? And what does this mean for Hillary Clinton's presidential run?

As Pam Spaulding noted last week, Democratic political consultant Bob Shrum claims in his new book that during the 2004 elections, Bill Clinton advised John Kerry to support the Federal Marriage Amendment, i.e., the anti-gay amendment to the US Constitution that would have banned gay marriage and vitiated scores of other rights that gay couples may have, including health insurance, inheritance, child custody, parenting, and more. Shrum reports that Kerry refused to endorse the amendment.

I decided to check with Bill Clinton's office and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign to find out if this is true. Here is what I found.

Jay Carson, spokesman for President Clinton told me:

"I checked and it's completely untrue. He never advised John Kerry to support the gay marriage ban President Bush was pushing."

A senior Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign staffer told me:

"It's definitely true. Newsweek had reported that Clinton had said Kerry should support some of the state ballot initiatives. Clinton believed it would be this grand master stroke to neutralize Bush's base."

I went back to both President Clinton's office and the Kerry-Edwards campaign official, asking them to reconcile the apparent discrepancy. Clinton's spokesman stands by his denial - to the best of his knowledge, it didn't happen. The senior Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign staffer also stands by their statement that it did happen, noting that Clinton's denial was "typical Clintonian revisionism."


_____________________________________________________________________________

I was following the campaign at the time and whatever support their was for Kerry, it was meager.

[Deep13]

14. I guess it was some other Bill Clinton I saw on TV.

Bill was on the campaign trail and they were both involved with fund-raising. I say again, this accusation is a lie, that is a deliberate attempt to conceal the truth and not merely a mistake of fact.

If Kerry had supported Ohio's issue #1, the state const. amendment to outlaw gay marriage (which was already outlawed under statute), he might have carried this state. That measure passed anyway 3 to 1. That means roughly half of those who voted for Kerry also voted for the marriage ban. Something can be distasteful and still be sound tactical advice.

[beachmom]

35. Bill Clinton is a known and documented liar. I believe the Kerry people. nt

[blm]

43. Baloney - Clinton spent his THREE WEEK summer book tour DEFENDING Bush and NOT defending Kerry.

You can't find one transcript from that time frame that shows Clinton saying why Kerry's position on terrorism and Iraq war were right.

Instead you have Clinton defending Bush from the criticisms of the left and the main person criticizing Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war at that time was Kerry.

Don't even PRETEND like Clinton didn't know exactly what he was doing.

[Alexander]

6. Um, no they didn't. Your post is asinine.

Bill Clinton was campaigning with Kerry a great deal for someone who had heart surgery.

[Bread and Circus]

11. Sorry, I just can't remember one instance of ardent support...

I can remember this though:

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061101/NEWS/61101021

Sen. Clinton says Kerry comment was 'inappropriate'

Kingston -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at a Kingston campaign stop this morning, joined the chorus of Democrats criticizing Sen. John Kerry for what the former presidential candidate has called a joke gone awry.

“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate,” she said.

Asked if Kerry should apologize, President Bush and other members of both parties have said, Clinton said “I heard he said he was sorry.”

Clinton tried to deflect attention from the controversy by saying “elections are about the future,” and “we don’t have to be re-fighting the 2004 election, as much as President Bush would like that.”

______________________

With friends like Hillary....

[Alexander]

44. Really? You don't remember this?

Because I do. And the quote you provided happened during the 2006 elections, not the 2004 race.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. I remember VIVIDLY, Bill being at Tom Harkin's picnic campaigning for our Democrats.

They were not absent. Were they even asked to help in the GE? I'll go Google for ya. I'm sure I'll find plenty.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. such lies. bill campaigned for kerry even though he had just had surgery

your fake outrage is making me nauseous.

[Bread and Circus]

12. There's another Outrageanista who said his campaigning ended w/ his bypass...

so which is it?

Can y'all please get your stories straight?

I'm still trying to remember an instance where Bill or Hill went to the mat for Gore or Kerry.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. Clinton Returns to Arkansas to Stump for Kerry

By Sylvia Moreno
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 1, 2004; Page A06

LITTLE ROCK, Oct. 31 -- In a campaign stop befitting a rock star, with strobe lights and music and screaming, the Comeback Kid came home today with one message: Make Arkansas a Comeback State to the roster of blue Democrat states.

"We've got two days here, and we can win here," said former president Bill Clinton, who has been campaigning for Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry since last Monday. "It's not too late; we can move this thing," the former governor told a crowd of about 6,200 people gathered in the city's convention center for a get-out-the-vote rally

Clinton, who is noticeably thinner almost two months into his recuperation from quadruple heart bypass surgery, urged the throng to vote. He implored them to persuade those who "are reluctant to change leaders while we're involved in this mess in Iraq" to cast a ballot for Kerry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14843-2004Nov1.html

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*

COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*COUGH*!!!!!!!!!


Bill Clinton campaigned for Kerry in 2004 (Photo Credit: Getty Images)


AND THIS IS THE VERY FIRST LINK I CLICKED ON! Good G-d. You are so pathetic!

[Bread and Circus]

24. cough cough....fake outrage....cough cough....

So, what does posing together really mean again? Please enlighten me...

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. What's that got to do with whether Hillary and Bill campaigned in 2004 for our Dems? NOTHING! COUGH!

You started this stupid thread. Now you get to reap the rewards of your foolishness. So far, you look pretty damn small....and foolish.

[Bread and Circus]

26. You haven't proved anything other than

you fakeoutrageanistas have a huge talent for making a moutain out of a molehill.

There's nothing in all your "links" that makes a convincing argument that Clinton went to the mat for Kerry in any sort of way that is more than perfunctory.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. I understand. Now you're telling me you don't know how to read. Gotcha!

Your thread is stupid. Many here have shown you that you are wrong, as usual.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Ooh snap!

:thumbsup:

[ProSense]

16. Bill didn't speak out strongly against the war. In fact,

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

more

His statements were a liability. Imagine if he had attacked Bush the way he's attacking Obama?

[Bread and Circus]

23. That's the kind of stuff I remember... mostly non-support or some

mealy mouth prevaracation.

Yes, and you hit the nail on the head: "Imagine if he had attacked Bush the way he's attacking Obama? " <<<<<< there was nothing akin to this then.

The usual suspects are in here with their fake rage acting as if we all fell off the cart yesterday. However, I can't find anything that shows spirited and ardent support for Kerry.

Maybe all the golf with poppy Bush did something to Bill Clinton's head.

[redqueen]

17. UNITY SCHMOONITY!

Is that the new slogan? That's what your OP conveys.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. OOPSIE!!!!! Missed another one!

THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: THE FORMER PRESIDENT; Senate Democrats Summon Clinton as Political Adviser


By CARL HULSE
Published: January 30, 2004

With Howard Dean regrouping and other Democratic presidential candidates rejiggering, Senate Democrats decided maybe they should get a little election-year advice, too.

So they huddled behind closed doors on Thursday for a session with a veteran political strategist, one with his own string of victories and a proven record against an incumbent Bush administration.

''I gave them a few little ideas,'' former President Bill Clinton said as he emerged from about two hours of dispensing political wisdom on Capitol Hill. ''I don't know if they are any good.''

Those who attended, including the junior senator from New York, certainly thought it was worth their while. ''He is the master,'' said Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of her husband. ''I, just like everybody else, watch and listen with admiration.''

Facing what promises to be an intense election-year battle of political wits with the Republicans, Senate Democrats summoned Mr. Clinton to the Hart Senate Office Building to confer with them on shaping a message that could be intertwined with those of the eventual Democratic presidential nominee and their counterparts in the House.

Those who attended the session said Mr. Clinton advised them not to be afraid to draw contrasts with President Bush and the Republican Congress over tax cuts, the deficit and national security. They said he sounded themes he has in recent speeches that President Bush and his administration are making a series of bad choices that will drive the nation into debt left for future generations. <snip>

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B03EEDC1138F933A05752C0A9629C8B63

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Kick!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. ..

[Mass]

22. They supported him way enough for what it brought. The media spent their time saying that

Clinton was overshadowing Kerry and other idiocy like that.

However, there are some reports that the campaign wanted to involve him more and that he did not want (too busy promoting his book). Hard to know if it is true, but I was mad to see when the book was published. Jeez, talk about a bad timing.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. Kerry snubbed them....nice try tho

[MagickMuffin]

29. Help me identify these men

Photo from PA. Bill also campaigned with Kerry in NM.


I know that Bill campaigned with Kerry, but I don't recall Hillary campaigning for Kerry.

[beachmom]

36. One appearance where Bill talked about himself and domestic policy

in an election about war and national security.

[MagickMuffin]

40. Arkansas, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado among others

I watched ALL the Kerry/Edwards campaign rallies on C-SPAN, and don't remember everything that Bill spoke about, but hey you seem to KNOW everything.

Except how many times Bill appeared with Kerry. D'oh

[elehhhhna]

31. Of course, and we all know darned well why.

[beachmom]

33. Well said. Bill spent the summer (prior to his heart surgery) promoting

a book, "My Life", where when asked about current events, he PRAISED Bush on his conduct of the Iraq War and the war on terror. Then he gave Kerry boneheaded advice to BACK the anti-gay marriage referendums in many states (Kerry said he would never do that), and after giving Kerry all of this wonderful "advice" leaked the conversation to the NYT, making Kerry look bad and weak. Plus, when Bill did do an appearance for Kerry, he talked mostly about his own domestic agenda and how it was better than Bush's. Bill knew FULL WELL that the election was about national security, so his talk was unhelpful.

[AX10]

39. He had bypass heart surgery.

How convenient that you Obamabots forget that in your rush to smear Hillary.

[Tellurian]

41. Another idiotic thread from this poster..

Why didn't Kerry fight for our votes? Did your wife even notice that? Probably not! Not Anti-Clinton enough for you!

[TheDonkey]

42. Clintons did not want Kerry to win. Hillary was already prepping her campaign

and knew Kerry would lock up the WH for 8 years and most likely would have done a much better job than Bill.

[eridani]

45. Is a bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods? n/t