We have two inspiring candidates, but the media spin is that only Obama can inspire

[bigtree]

. . . 'inspire us to greatness' is how his supporters put it.

I believe that it's not credible to take his portion of the votes (whatever it is, it looks about even) and cast those as inspired votes, and, at the same time, cast Clinton's voters as some static bloc of automatons. There's an extraordinary amount of inspiration coming from both candidates as they relate their goals and intentions.

Certainly Barak has rallied generations of blacks to the polls with the prospect of his historic candidacy. Likewise, Hillary has inspired generations of women to rally to her candidacy. Between them, there is a powerful energy and momentum which is inspiring our Democratic voters to action on all fronts in this campaign.

So, let's not lose sight of the fact that, like Obama's supporters, Clinton's vast amount of supporters around the nation (equal, in most respects) will also investing their hopes and dreams in their candidate of choice, and will also provide whatever energy she needs to propel the nation to whatever 'greatness' Obama may well inspire.

[Occam Bandage]

1. The two Clinton-supporter lines of attack:

1. "Obama is a cult leader! I don't want inspiration, I want results! I'm voting pragmatically, with my mind, and not my heart! Vote for real results, not phony inspiration!"

2. "Clinton is very inspirational! She's inspiring generations of women! There's a powerful energy around her, and we're investing our hopes and dreams in her!"

[bigtree]

3. don't be foolish. this is no attack.

You, however seem geared for combat. BOTH candidates inspire. That's what I've written here. Come up out of the trenches for a spell.

[Occam Bandage]

4. It's the day before Super Tuesday, and I've seen both lines as attacks. Sorry for not

giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[rodeodance]

18. Your post pointed to an issue that is important. No attack as I see it.

[libertee]

2. I am sick of his CHANGE rhetoric...what change are you going to make Obama????

[bigtree]

5. He'll make whatever changes that the make-up of the Congress will allow.

I don't expect him (or Clinton) to neglect to avail themselves of whatever support they can get from both houses.

[Recursion]

9. He doen't need Congress for his contracting transparency ideas

That's entirely a question of administration. He can also implement his executive branch lobbying rules no matter what Congress thinks. I don't have high hopes of either reform being implemented under Clinton.

[bigtree]

12. BOTH can and will use their office to advance Democratic proposals and principles

but, that will only get them so far. They will need a filibuster proof Congress, preferably in the Senate, if it's to have any significant effect.

[physioex]

8. For one...

Get that mad man out of the oval office.

[bigtree]

13. yes.

:thumbsup:

[blm]

6. Aw...what a shame Hillary can't get her message out and people can't see who she is

because the media just won't let her true campaign be seen.


I remember just about every Hillary supporter here mocking and attacking first Gore then Kerry blaming them solely for not being able to command the media as well as Clintons do. They were weak, wimps, and worse. And Hillary's loyalists were leading the way making sure that is what the Dem base believed about its past nominees.

Cry me a river, TeamClinton. YOU had cache since 2001 and YOU CHOSE TO NOT USE IT for any other Democrat. You didn't use it and now you lost it.

[bigtree]

10. Is that what I really said blm? I don't think so. I think her voters ARE inspired by her candidacy

and, I don't believe that they are focused on the criticisms coming from folks like you who call the Clinton's corrupt, etc. The amount of support she has gained so far shows that voters aren't thinking the same way that you are about Hillary.

So, despite all of the hyperventilating about folks complaining the candidate can't get her message out, there is, obviously SOMETHING which is inspiring folks to vote for her. I can only speak for myself, but it's just not credible to assert that her support is some static bloc of disinterested voters, as some insinuate when they emphasize Obama's 'charisma'.

And, as for the media, I remember that YOU were complaining as loud as anyone that the media manipulates, so don't be so quick to dismiss that effect. If that makes you happy that Hillary Clinton is being miscast, that's fine, for you. But, the rest, about Kerry, Gore, and Clinton's reaction at the time . . . it's just not factoring into voter's minds like it's burned into yours, I believe.

[blm]

16. That's my point. The corpmedia DOES manipulate. But that wasn't the message

TeamClinton and the DNC wanted played out after 2004 - they wanted only Kerry blamed for not getting past the media because he was too weak.

Now - what is happening to Hillary? Is the media distorting her? Yes. Of course they aren't going to discuss the reasons someone like ME doesn't like Clintons, because the ONLY reason I don't is BECAUSE of their many years protecting Bushes. Like the media is going to attack any Bush just to hurt Clinton. THAT will never happen. Bushes are off limits.

[goodgd_yall]

7. Older women (who make up a large proportion of Hillary's supporters)

are second-class citizens in American culture (and media). We're kind of invisible. So our hopes and inspiration are not getting the interest of the media.

[bigtree]

14. very good point

I have a hard time representing that sentiment, on my own.

[Recursion]

11. I am aware that there are people Senator Clinton inspires

I am not one of them. On a very basic level I have trouble trusting her, and I don't think she "gets" how corrosive corporate influence on government is. Obviously I'd vote for her in a heartbeat over any of the Republican slate, but inspiration is just not there, for me.

[sendero]

15. That's exactly how I feel..

... exactly.

I'm not saying I find Obama particulary inspirational,but I strongly prefer him to HRC, I trust him *some*, I trust HRC *none*.

And when I hear her uttering those sound bites, trying to "relate" to people with heart-warming quips, her level of sincerity reminds me exactly of the Dictator Tot himself.

[rodeodance]

17. you are right--I hear it all the time. Thanks for the post