Hillary haters (ie. Obamanics) you've been pwned by the rethugs and MSM

[MagsDem]

They have been telling you to hate Hillary for 15 years and you dutifully obey, even though

1. She actually has a longer and better voting record on dem issues than Obama.

2. Her health plan covers nearly 100% of us, while Obama's covers only 50% of us at nearly the same cost.

3. There isn't a dimes worth of difference on their Iraq war votes in the senate.

4. He has far less experience to bring to the table. She has taken a rethug pounding for years, and just keeps coming back to kick their asses. He has no track record at all in that regard.

But the media and the rethugs have been pounding it into your head for years that you are supposed to hate Hillary. So you dutifully obey. You've been pwned, big time. They have taught you to hate one of the most consistently liberal members of your own party in favor of a guy that pledges to work with these same rethugs that have been attacking all things Clinton for 15 yrs.

[thunder rising]

1. Thanks for the concern. It will work out, I'm sure. bye now

[niceypoo]

91. A lot of people are susceptible to that 'lather rinse repeat' syndrome

When you have democrats beginning to believe decade old republican talking points because they have been repeated ad nauseum, the brainwashing is complete. CULTS use similar techniques.

[psychopomp]

97. Strange that you say that, seeing as how the lockstep mindset is evident

in Sen. Clinton's supporters on this board.

Regarding the OP, nothing new being mentioned that hasn't been debated on a hundred other threads...and why would anyone expect insight from somebody who writes like a freckle-faced thirteen-year-old?

[MADem]

2. I notice that many people who don't like her repeat RW talking points. NT

[burythehatchet]

5. really? you notice that? that's very observant. thanks for sharing

:loveya:

[MADem]

11. Yeah, there are times when it feels like the RNC chat room up in here. NT

[rodeodance]

35. Yes, the Obamababies learn well from the RW

[Arkana]

85. Really?

So calling us a "cult" and her campaign blatantly ripping off elements of Obama's is pure, original, and 100% Democratic?

Thanks! I feel so much better now.

[niceypoo]

92. Yes, really...

Yesterday I saw several attack threads listing Ken Starr talking points. I also saw Obamites saying that "Billary" was a 'RW Joke name.' The name 'Billary,' which we see a lot here, came from republican accusations that Hillary is a 'lesbian.'

So, yes, really...

[earthlover]

17. Hillary and the Hillary Herd have been spouting forth rep talking points supporting the iwr

Golly, it seems as if it really wasn't an Iraq WAR Resolution after all!

The past few weeks I have heard some very familiar arguements. Arguements I heard in 2002. From Republicans. Supporting the iwr. Now it is from the Hillary Herd. I guess the iwr wasn't so bad after all.

[MADem]

20. No one here is in FAVOR of the war. But way to be disingenuous.

It's not a very nice trait.

Some people accept her comments on her vote, how she came to the decision, and why. They also accept her comments that if she knew then what she knows now, she would NOT have voted for the war.

But way to convolute, without saying shit! Heckuvajob!

:hi:

[angie_love]

39. Then why didn't she accept the Levin agreement ????????

And wait for the inspections to carry on to see if there really were WMD's instead of writing a blank check for Bush to fucking invade and bomb Iraq? I will never forgive her for that vote. Even when I was 20 years old I had enough common sense to question why they couldn't wait for inspections to carry on. That fucking war killed so many for WHAT? WHAT REASON? For what reason did all those people have to die?????????????????????????

[MADem]

66. I am not refighting this battle for the tenth fucking time. You can use your

search feature and find this whole tennis match in the archives.

And if, after reading it, and coming to the 'inevitable' ultimate (and suitably dramatic, of course) conclusion that the Senator is the RNC's Favorite Satan, you can smugly insist that you are not moved, and that she is "unforgiven"---and then you can come back here and proudly announce that yes indeed, you can NEVER vote for her.

And that's fine. Whatever.

She didn't take a gun and shoot those people. This is BUSH's WAR. Not the war of those who voted to give the bastard a precise tool that he turned around and used as a blunt fucking instrument.

Every time this is shoved on Clinton, or anyone else in Congress, Bush, in effect, gets a pass. That simplistic little dance about how terrible Senator Clinton is, as though she passed the fucking resolution all on her own, serves to obfuscate the issues and ABSOLVE BushCo in the minds of the Moron-Public who can only think simplisticly, in sound-bites.

Keep doing the RNC's work for them. I really don't care one way or another.

[earthlover]

83. I think you want to give Hillary a pass....

Bush was not the only one responsible for this war. Everyone who voted for the IWR, especially those who voted against the Levin Amendment, share the blame. It is called responsibility.

You complain that Hillary is "unforgiven". Well, in order to be forgiven, you must at least say you are sorry. Hillary never did. Never will. So if she will not even admit she was wrong, why on Earth should anyone forgive her? Doesn't make sense.

Hillary voted for the war because she thought it was in her political best interest to do so. She has a pattern of sticking her finger to the wind before deciding things.

Why I think this is significant is that, if Hillary is elected, from DAY ONE, she is going to be running for re-election. She made a tremendous miscalculation about Iraq, and I think it is pretty clear that she would be quite likely to make a similar one, for fear that she would be viewed as "weak". Just like she did with kyl-lieberman. I don't see Hillary having the moral courage to take an unpopular position to try to halt a misconceived war, if we faced something like 9/11 in her term.

And this is a matter of life or death for thousands potentially. The iraq war has hurt us in so many ways it would take all night to list the ways.

The least Hillary could have done was to be mortified by her colossal goof and humbly beg forgiveness. Unless she shows contrition, she does not get forgiveness in my book.

[MADem]

84. No, I have explained my position here on many occasions. Clearly. Succinctly.

I'm just not going to sit here and reargue the issues; I've done it MORE than enough.

Look it up if you really care how I feel about it. Hit that search button and have at it.

Frankly, EVERY President starts running for reelection from "Day ONE." What planet are you from? Obama would do the exact same thing. So would McCain.

Why do you say that in rather DIRE fashion? It's not a secret, it's SOP for ANY President.

Anyone who doesn't do that is a fucking idiot.

[earthlover]

87. Please...you condescending attitude sucks big time. I am not your little child

The day one is Hillary's words. If you look closely at her pattern, you know that...MORE THAN MOST....everything Hillary does is with a finger to the wind. That is why she made the dreadful mistake of voting for the iwr. She didn't even read the intelligence briefings.

Is it asking too much of a president to lead the country? Is it being a fucking idiot to expect that a president not lead us into stupid wars even if it would do political favors for the president? Is it being a fucking idiot to expect something different from a Democratic President than from George W Bush? After all, George W Bush sent us into Iraq with exactly the same reasoning Hillary used to support it...to help him politically.

It is not SOP for any president to pattern everything one does from day one for re-election! Why on earth do they get elected in the first place? To get reelected or to do a good job?

It is obvious you are so much into the old way of doing things that you cannot conceive of a president actually doing his/her job....serving the people instead of self.

What is even worse is you call people names who are patriotic enough to expect more from a president than the low bar you obviously hold for presidents.

No wonder you like Hillary, with that bar of yours so low

[MADem]

I am not being condescending. I am stating FACTS. If you "take it" the wrong

way, then maybe you have "issues." I really don't give a shit one way or another, though.

I've told you, and this is the THIRD fucking time I have told you, BTW, that I have discussed this issue IN DETAIL on this board. I'm just not going to revisit it YET AGAIN when the information is easy for you to retrieve.

IF you really want to know my view.

Apparently you don't, though. You just want to toss little "Eeeeeew, you're CONDESCENDING!!!" bombs, make wild-ass, inaccurate "ASS-umptions" about how I think and feel, and write fucking diatribes.

Fine, have at it. Hope ya feel smug and important, too! You just might really "need" that...!

:hi:

I have better things to do.

[MADem]

90. I am not being condescending. I am stating FACTS. If you "take it" the wrong

way, then maybe you have "issues." I really don't give a shit one way or another, though.

I've told you, and this is the THIRD fucking time I have told you, BTW, that I have discussed this issue IN DETAIL on this board. I'm just not going to revisit it YET AGAIN when the information is easy for you to retrieve.

IF you really want to know my view.

Apparently you don't, though. You just want to toss little "Eeeeeew, you're CONDESCENDING!!!" bombs, make wild-ass, inaccurate "ASS-umptions" about how I think and feel, and write fucking diatribes.

Fine, have at it. Hope ya feel smug and important, too! You just might really "need" that...!

:hi:

I have better things to do.

[earthlover]

93. "What planet are you from?" and your use of the phrase "fucking idiot" are extremely condescending..

If you think your opinions are facts, I would say you are verging on delusional

[MADem]

110. ...

:hi:

[MADem]

111. ...

:hi:

[Bluenorthwest]

103. Apology comes hard for these candidates

Of course, the Obama commercials claim Hillary will say and do anything to get elected, so it does seem odd that she will not say this, which would be in her political interest to say. I conclude that the Obama add is false, as she obviously will not say anything, she won't even say this one thing. So pick one. Will say anything or refuses to say anything. Mutually exclusive arguments.
But then again, Obama voted to extend the Patriot Act, skipped the Kyl-Lieberman vote, and hands over his big hearty 'YES' to more and more money for a failing war he once claimed to opppose. When he had not power and no vote, he once said he opposed it. Once he had a vote and power to oppose, he in fact empowered Bush in Iraq and in the Domestic attacks on our Rights.
For the IRW vote to really work for Obama, he would have needed to stand in oppostion to the War as a United States Senator. He did not do so. Has he apologized for the Patriot Act or for playing paymaster to Bush by request? He should. Those votes were wrong votes. Awaiting apology from the guy who ran as an anti-war candidate for the Senate and promised not to run for Pres in his first term, who got into the Senate and voted pro-war and pro-Bush with abandon until he started skipping the votes to run for President in his first term. Does he mean anything he says? Ever? Will he be one of those parents who says 'I don't want you to drink, but if you are going to, let me get you some good stuff?' I kind of think so. " I really oppose what he does with all that cash I give him when he asks." Yeah, sure you do, sure you do.
Sometimes opposition is more difficult than other times. Seems it is far harder to oppose in the Senate than in the Statehouse. Rhetoric is fun, but votes are the real deal.
I did love his fillibuster about Katrina victims though...oh wait, that was just a dream that never happened too.

[rodeodance]

36. Obama supports the war by FUNDING it.

[angie_love]

42. nice try with that argument its not going to fucking work

Theres a difference btwn funding it and GETTING US INTO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! Realize that you idiot. What the hell, no one cares that we fucking invaded a country that had no WMD's and killed so many anymore? Does no one care about that anymore???

[rodeodance]

47. and you little conjuration will not work.

[MagsDem]

50. This is one thing I will never understand about Obama supporters

How can you give him a total pass on every single IW votes while hitting Hillary for her vote in 2002? He doesn't just vote to fund it, he has also voted against congressional authorization to send additional troops, and against ANY timeline for withdrawal. It's bullshit to pretend he is somehow pristine on this issue, and she is dirty. You have to be willing to completely disregard all facts to pretend that.

[angie_love]

51. Hes not perfect on the war, but her hands are much much bloodier

Her judgement was severly lacking in the most important vote of her life.

[MagsDem]

55. Obama didn't think Kerry's judgment was lacking

in 2004. And why shouldn't we think HIS judgement is severely lacking when he won't even support his own party's bills in congress about congressional auth required of Bush, and timelines for withdrawal?

See, you ignore those facts. To me, they tell me he is completely full of shit since every stump speech is him talking about her vote as if his votes didn't exist.

[nonconformist]

60. Obama said himself he's not sure how he would have voted

with the information that they (and not he, not being a member of the Senate) was privy to. Maybe just "present", I dunno.

I have no excuses for her vote. I hate it. But I'm a hell of a lot more concerned with the here and now.

[BlackVelvet04]

101. he didn't have to vote and he himself said he didn't

know how he would have voted had he actually been in the Senate. He said he wouldn't fund the war but turned around and did it so I have no reason to believe he wouldn't have voted for the war.

[nonconformist]

37. Oh good grief... no you haven't.

I think you'd be extremely hard pressed to find anyone here that supports the war. If there are, I'd wager that they're much more likely to be Obama supporters, since they're a little vague on the issues and seem to love hopping on board with media-created bandwagons.

Plus, I don't think it was Clinton supporters talking about cigars and blue dresses and shit here.

[Up2Late]

21. Exactly right...

...as usual.

[jgraz]

68. Totally. The right is ALWAYS bitching about her support for the war.

And they really HATE it when she panders to corporate power or paves the way for right-wing judges. I think Hannity said something about that once...or was it Savage?

[Politicub]

100. It's refreshing to hear someone even acknowledge this is happening

I know a lot of posters are younger, but I remember living through the worst RW mudslinging days of the Clinton years, and it's feeling like that again - but from my own party. :(

[Deja Q]

3. Okay

1. I'll agree. I'll just stick to the issues that affect the most Americans... As I'll admit I don't know much on that actual record, I'll go look. Egg on my face if I'm wrong and to an extent I'll admit the yolk's on me...

2. As long as we have jobs so we can pay for the insurance, that's great. What's her plan on jobs, apart from pandering waffle anyone can find in bulleted form on any given web site? (Same question applies to Obama.)

3. Never paid attention.

4. So career politicians are always the better choice? Ruh-roh...

[MagsDem]

43. Number 4

It's going to take a hell of a lot of experience to dig this country out of the Bush mess. We really don't have time for on the job training this time. I hope he is VEEP. I do think he (and the country) can be groomed for him as president.

[earthlover]

98. If you think experience is the deciding factor, then vote for McCain!

He has tons more experience than either Hillary or Obama, if experience is what you are looking for.

I am looking for someone with good judgement. And someone who can beat McCain. Hillary is weak on both.

[rurallib]

4. I am an idiot. What does pwned mean?

[Uncle Sinister]

14. It's slang used by young computer geeks. means "owned"

[Levgreee]

6. wow, you are one of the most inane posters here /blocked

[MagsDem]

34. I always have to post a general comment to this kind of post....

Why would I care if you block me or not? I'm not sure why that is always issued as some sort of Oooooo, statement around here. Do you think I am going to refrain from posting my opinions about things because you, the great Levgree blocked me? Sorry, I don't get it.

[Guava Jelly]

7. I don't hate Hillary

And the name is Spelled OBAMA...Your silly nickname is childish and petty

[burythehatchet]

8. WHat about us Hillary Haters who are not Obamaniyacks?

[girl gone mad]

9. When has Hillary ever kicked Republican ass?

I'd really like to hear one of her supporters answer this question. She has been one of the biggest Republican/Bush enablers of the past 8 years.

[jgraz]

70. ARE YOU KIDDING? She does it ALL THE TIME!!!

Oops, sorry, I thought you said "kissed".

Nevermind...

[LostinVA]

74. OMFG

[Avalux]

10. I can think for myself, thank you.

It offends me that others assume Obama supporters don't have the critical thinking skills to wade through all the bullshit. Thanks for your concern anyway!

[MagsDem]

52. Okay, well tell me this then....

Why do you support his healthcare program over hers when it covers less people for almost the same cost? I don't want to overwhelm you so I'll just start with that.

[Raine]

12. From now on I won't seriously respond to any post

that starts out insulting me and calling me names. I'm not going to do it to anyone else anymore either. Hopefully civility will eventually return.

[Uncle Sinister]

13. Excellent idea. This Clinton suporter will join you.

[MagsDem]

28. What name did I call you?

I'm sorry if you're insulted that I think Hillary haters have been trained to do so by the rethugs and the media. That's the way I see it, and I have been paying attention for 29 years working in and observing politics.

[VenusRising]

53. Way to be the change you want to see, Raine.

:yourock::applause:

I would recommend your post if I could.

[chascarrillo]

15. I don't hate Hillary.

I just picked a candidate that I like better. If that candidate doesn't win, Clinton's fine by me.

Also, I would disagree with two of your points:

1) Obama has a better record on First Amendment issues than Clinton.

2) Your numbers are way way way way way off on the health care plan. Obama's plan is expected to cover half of those currently without insurance (and those it doesn't expect to cover are the folks expected not to want to sign up with the plan - it doesn't prevent them from signing up, it's just that, for whatever reason, they don't want to enroll).

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Why are you arguing with cultists? It serves no purpose.

You cannot reason a person out of a position he didn't reason himself into

[whatchamacallit]

18. I get it, they taught us to hate a woman so we would vote for a black man

Those crazy republicans! Thanks for your insight.

[MagsDem]

29. No, not for that reason

They hate the Clintons because they have been the only ones able to defeat their agenda for the past 30 yrs. Has nothing to do with Obama. Your strawman just fell down.

[Auntie Bush]

54. Silly you!

They taught us to hate Hillary LONG BEFORE he was even in politics.

[whatchamacallit]

76. Why didn't it work on you? n/t

[Auntie Bush]

82. Because I'm intelligent and

pay attention to all their bullshit. I've always loved both Bill and Hill. This country and our world reputation were excellent in there hands. It was the Rethugs that were so evil.

[whatchamacallit]

89. That must be it.

[CyberPieHole]

19. Kick & recommend n/t

[Up2Late]

22. Exactly, it's just amazing to me the large number of Sheeple here.

K&R :kick:

[IronLionZion]

23. 50%? So Obama will make us LOSE coverage?

Thanks for that completely true and in no way bullshit "fact". :eyes: Wow, I wish I hadn't caucused for Obama.

I'll pray for you! O8)

[MagsDem]

32. You don't even know his plan, do you?

You don't seem to have a clue about this issue. If you did you would know that those figures refer to the precentage of people that are not covered that would be covered under their respective plans. 100% of those not covered now would be under Hillary's plan. Only 50% of those not covered would be covered under the Obama plan, yet it costs nearly the same.

[IronLionZion]

75. You made it sound like 50% of everyone.

I know his plan mandates coverage only for children and isn't universal. It makes insurance affordable enough that you can get it if you want. What's stopping you from buying into the public plan? He's also expanding medicaid and schip.

[flaminbats]

24. I like both Obama and Clinton..

and I would support either one if nominated. but nobody told me to vote for Obama because I should "hate Hillary".

both Obama and Hillary support keeping Bush's tax cuts, for those who make less than $250,000 a year. I think all the Bush tax cuts should be phased out, we shouldn't have a single troop in Iraq..unless all those tax cuts are phased out. IMO this makes Obama's fiscal policy more in sync with his plan to bring home all the troops within 18 months.

I obey my conscience, not the fear and lies of Carl Rove or Lee Atwater. Republicans have been pawned, yet they love to watch Democrats insult and slap each other around. Republicans can slap me in the face, but I'll just turn the other cheek.

I attended a Hillary rally last week, nothing she said offended me. but she certainly didn't impress me! :eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

25. I like Hillary. I like Obama more. Campwned, n00b.

[MagsDem]

26. Not a single Obama supporter refuted a single point

Just sayin' :)

[flaminbats]

31. then don't be such an Obama hater!

:hippie:

[MagsDem]

38. I don't hate him....

I just think he is unqualified, inexperienced, is not even as progressive as Hillary, and can't win in the general. In other words I have good reasons not to support him. With some it's just an irrational hatred of Clinton pounded in by rethugs and the MSM over 15 yrs time.

[flaminbats]

44. then explain how he's unqualified, inexperienced..

and please explain how Hillary is more progressive on the war than Obama is!

[MagsDem]

57. No problem

1. He has been a senator for 2.5 yrs with no, none, zilch experience in national, federal, or executive level politics. It's insane to think a guy who's highest elective office only 2.5 yrs ago was a state senator is qualified to be president of the united states, especially with the mess we are going to have to clean up.

2. The ONLY state wide race he has ever run was against Alan Keyes, an extreme right wing nut case that couldn't get elected dog catcher in Illinois.

[flaminbats]

62. good answer!

but Hillary won two elections in a state even Mike Dukakis couldn't lose!

Obama won in a state that Stevenson, Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis each lost. and those guys were loaded with experience!

feel free to vote for Hillary, but at least tell me her plan to balance the budget, pay down the debt, while indefinately keeping our troops deployed in Iraq. I like Hillary's healthcare plan, but I think Obama's plan is more likely to pass in Congress. it allows people with preexisting conditions and the uninsured to have the same coverage members of Congress now have. let's see how many Senators will filibuster that!

Hillary has allot of experience in the Senate, but so does Obama. I think Obama was a huge improvement over Carol-Moseley Braun, and I think if Braun could win year after year..then Obama can win hands down!

Obama may not be the flawless candidate, but neither is Hillary. both have serious flaws, and both would make great Presidents. attacking Obama will not make Hillary President, and all or nothing rarely works in politics. so tell me a few things that will make Obama a great President, and I'll tell you some things that will make Hillary a great President.

[rodeodance]

49. they follow their Leader--vague platitudes, vison--that kinda stuff.

[MagsDem]

59. That's the problem... the only specifics he can give

... demonstrate how unqualified he is. When he is specific on an issue, which isn't often or on much, the specific are no different, and usually worse than traditional democratic proposals.

[rodeodance]

61. Bingo

[tabasco]

63. How about the health care lie?

I guess you missed that. Another case of selective reading.

[still_one]

27. I agree, the media has been pounding that hate for 15 years, but it won't be the Obama

supporters you need to worry about if she gets the nomination, they will vote for her if she is the nominee, it will be the independents whose view has been distorted because of that

and that is going to be difficult to reverse, since the media has not changed that much in fifteen years

[Thrill]

30. If you think the media hates her. Why the hell do you want her

to be our nominee?? That makes it nearly impossible for her to beat the media loving McCain

[rodeodance]

40. cause we don't do the sheepie-cult thing.

[MagsDem]

45. I'd rather have Edwards, or Gore, or even Richardson

But those aren't the choices we have. But she can take AR and TN in the general, possibly FL, and he will not be able to take a single southern state. My math says if we want to win, we gotta go with Hill.

[JVS]

33. #3 is Naderese. Why must you troll so?

[nonconformist]

41. Note that many of them are new, spouting off right-wing shit against the Clintons...

And love the fact that Obama has moderate Republicans in his camp.

I'm just sayin'

You are spot-on.

[robbedvoter]

46. And think Obama makes GOP-ers "see the light" and "embrace democracy"

[rodeodance]

48. too much Kool-aid does that to a person!

[Skwmom]

56. I dislike the Clintons because of the OWN ACTIONS.

[MagsDem]

58. And what would those be, specifically?

And they won't be things that are identical to Obama, right?

[robbedvoter]

99. "But what will we tell the Children?" - Bill bennet - is that you? Is outrage dead yet?

[AGirl]

64. kick and r

[AGirl]

65. kick

[VotesForWomen]

67. yep; they drank the kool-aide big time. nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. another Obama cicada

[cali]

69. hey, little hilldroid, I don't hate Senator Clinton at all

In fact, I like and admire her- much more than Bill. I don't like you, little droid, but that's another story.

Now continue chomping on your oh so very sour grapes. It's fun to watch.

[TacticalPeek]

71. K & R

:kick:

[Evergreen Emerald]

72. That is exactly right! great post.

It is a shame that we are so easily manipulated by the media. And I just have to laugh when Obama's supporters cheer that he came so close on Tuesday. With the constant Bashing of Clinton on every media outlet--how could he not? He should have walked away with Tuesday--and despite the CONSTANT media bashing, Clinton won. It is amazing really.

Obama cannot win it on his own. The propaganda machine is on loan to him for this primary. And, I have noticed an all-out war. The media is not even hiding their hatred and bitterness against the Clintons...this morning on Morning Joe they did a story on Chelsea "begging" for votes. Now, she was calling supporters as EVERY candidate's family does. And instead, they twisted it to be negative.

It is very ugly. But shows Clinton's strength, as well as the strength of many Americans who vote their own conscience despite the barrage of attacks.

[stillrockin]

73. bullshit.

Her experience is in carrying water for Bushco.

[blm]

77. YOU never read National Security Archives records of the last 20 years so you support Clinton

Any real Democrat would never support any mask-wearing Dem who protects the Bushes for YEARS while deep-sixing serious reports filled with the government corruption that led directly to 9-11.

The protection of Poppy Bush was a priority for Clintons instead of dealing honestly with all the outstanding matters in IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA Drugrunning.


YOU want to continue the protection of the Bushes? Vote Clinton.

[LulaMay]

78. It's amazing how little people recognize this. Well, it seems enough voters have...

especially women.

[txaslftist]

79. How'd she vote on authorizing the murder of million Iraqis?

[TheDonkey]

80. She has enabled Rethugs far longer than he has. She is cold and will lose the GE

She does not gather much excitement outside of women who are usually loyal democrats anyway. We need to grow the party.

[EFerrari]

81. No, thanks. I reject your "hater" bs and your evaluation.

The Clintons are self serving and are responsible for moving this party to the right. I have no use for them, period.

And Obama, who I only like a hair more, has much more experience than Bill did when he ran.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

86. Maybe Obama has as much experience as Bill did when he ran,

but he certainly doesn't have the experience of 30 years on the national scene as Hillary. He whines every time someone is mean to him. Oh, gee, if he thinks the primaries are bad....

And, finally, unfortunately, Obama doesn't have a tenth of the intellect Bill or Hillary each have. Is he stupid? No, of course not, he is smart but he doesn't rank anywhere near Hillary or Bill in the IQ department. We need a heavy duty brain to fix this mess. Being a good speaker with a winning smile, a lovely wife, two adorable kids but limited national and international bona fides is nice but just won't do it for the country. Can he be groomed for the next go round? I'm sure he can but he isn't ready now no matter how many times his supporters want to repeat the mantra "Change, change, change."

[Yurovsky]

88. Your Klan robe is ready at the drycleaners ,....

just another 2-bit racist showing your true colors. Yes, us black folk is too stupid to figure it out, we all been pwned ... kiss my black azz.

[Political Heretic]

94. I don't hate Hillary. I like my candidate.

Sometimes, its just that simple. :)

[grateful581]

108. me too

I also think Obama is a sure thing and Hillary is a crap shoot.
No bashing, just my opinion :hi:

[donheld]

96. I hate you not Hillary

[JTFrog]

102. And you've obviously been "pwned" by the DLC.

[pathansen]

104. Obama also has an attitude problem and appears to be too "thin skinned"

[Honeycombe8]

105. Billary is concerned only about themselves, as Kerry stated. They didn't help Kerry win...

did they? Why is that? I'll tell you why...because they were planning a run in '08, and a Kerry win would have interfered with that plan.

The people who died in Iraq during the last four years...the people who died from lack of health care during the last four years...the people who went without medical care during the last four years....that was what Billary helped cause, all for themselves.

You vote for someone of that ilk. As for myself, I'll vote for someone who has at least appeared to have put what is best for the country above his own aspirations. For one thing, he spoke out against the Iraq War, when it was very unpopular to do so, knowing that if the war turned out well, he'd be sacrificing his future political career. That is called leadership.

Obama is our next President. Or McCain, if Billary is the nominee.

[Guava Jelly]

106. I don't hate Hillary and name calling is childish

Grow the fuck up

[AngryAmish]

107. She said "pwned": EVERYBODY RUN!!!!

How can we stand up toi such hip internet inside lingo!?!

[Medusa]

109. Actually the reverse is true. The GOP desperately wants Hillary to be the nominee

why? They know they can beat her. Not so true with Obama.

[Yossariant]

112. And they bleat and they bleat and they bleat ... Their boy Rush knows 'em.