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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:51 PM
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NY Times: Obama "fervor fell short", "Clinton Democratic voters... more likely to vote"
Well, color me astonished:



Obama Is Making Inroads, but Fervor Fell Short at End

By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: February 7, 2008


...the result on Tuesday did not match the fervor that had been signaled by Mr. Obama’s dramatic march of rallies across the nation leading up to the vote. In that dynamic rests one of the central questions about the Obama candidacy, which may well go the heart of whether he can win the presidency. Is this campaign a series of surges of enthusiasm, often powered by the younger voters who form long lines waiting to hear Mr. Obama speak, that set expectations that are not met at the voting booth? Or is it rather a slow-building force, one that despite faltering in New Hampshire and falling short on Tuesday in big states like California has allowed Mr. Obama to battle one of the most formidable political dynasties to a draw and will eventually propel him to victory?

The differing views of the Obama campaign’s trajectory are only one way in which this race has cleaved the party neatly in two: the Clinton Democrats and the Obama Democrats. Age, race and gender have become the dividing lines; nothing comes close to mattering as much.

The Obama Democratic Party is made up of younger voters (under 44), blacks, white men (to a more limited extent) and independents whose show of support accounted for his victories in states like Missouri. Their level of enthusiasm for Mr. Obama — their excitement about the possibility of an Obama White House — is palpable in their response to him, or in any conversation. The Clinton Democratic Party is the party of women, older voters, Hispanics and also some white men. A Clinton rally may not have the energy of a rock concert the way an Obama rally does. Yet the older women who have embraced Mrs. Clinton as the culmination of years of hope and other core supporters are no less passionate in their intensity and devotion.

If there is a difference between these two parties, it is that Clinton Democratic voters tend to have a history of being more likely to vote, particularly compared with younger voters and, as was the case this week, black voters. That in part might account for the enthusiasm fall-off between the campaign trail and the voting booth that Mr. Obama has to deal with....

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/us/politics/07dems.html?ref=politics
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:53 PM
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1. The same NYT that endorsed Madame Clinton?
:boring:
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:55 PM
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2. Or the same NYT that led us into Iraq?
Hmmm.....I wonder why they would want to see Clinton as president?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:16 PM
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5. The same NYT which INVENTED Whitewater and attacks Hillary mercilessly daily
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 11:16 PM by robbedvoter
Yeah, I am surprised too.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:18 PM
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7. The NYTimes "attacks Hillary mercilessly daily"? What are you blathering about?
honestly, I live in NY and get this rag daily for our business.

Stop making stuff up.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:23 PM
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9. Sadly, it's all they have left. "making stuff up".....(eom)
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:57 PM
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3. Didn't they end up with just about exactly the same number of voters...
and just a week ago, HIllary was up by 10-15% in all the Super Tuesday polls combined...

To me that shows that his voters certainly did vote...
:shrug:
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:08 PM
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4. Adam Nagourney is not exactly a stellar source of opinion. n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:17 PM
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6. Agreed, but hardly is he in Hillary's corner.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:20 PM
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8. The Clintons are calling in some favors...
too bad Democratic primary voters still have that whole "Judith Miller-war-pimping" thing on our minds whenever we read anything from that fucking rag.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:24 PM
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10. Yep....that's how I see it.
Nargourney known for "hit pieces".

Asshole!
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:29 PM
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11. Obama is the perfect candidate for the American Idol generation. Hey, Taylor Hicks seemed to have a
lot of support during his season of AI, but we all know how well his CD sold...
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:30 PM
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12. Hillary supporters hold few rallies. They only come out to vote. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:32 PM
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13. NY Times - baloney
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:46 PM
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14. KICK for the missing "fervor" n/t
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:52 PM
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15. Hmmmm
Why then did the HRC lead slide so much? Does he have SO many more supporters than her that even though most of them didn't show Tuesday was a tie? :shrug:

Cause that is what this sounds like to me... hrmmm. Makes sense que no?
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