Smart people voted Obama, not so smart people voted Clinton

[socalover]

Faux News Exit Poll
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/california-democratic-exit-poll/

Smart people went Obama, not so smart people voted Clinton

What was the last grade of school you completed? Clinton Edwards Obama
Did not complete high school (5%) 80% 3% 17%
High school graduate (17%) 60% 6% 32%
Some college or associate degree (32%) 53% 4% 41%
College graduate (27%) 47% 5% 47%
Postgraduate study (20%) 45% 3% 51%

[AX10]

1. Obama supporters are bigots.

[billbuckhead]

They just never read Dale Carnegie, Reinhold Niebuhr

or that Jesus fellow Hillary talks about when she gets criticized for not wanting to machine gun illegal immigrants.

[DURHAM D]

3. Those numbers are not something I would be posting if I supported Obama. n/t

[jasmine621]

76. Rich people voted for Obama. Working people boted for Clinton. nt

[jsamuel]

2. ...

[Nailzberg]

4. Not so smart people have the right to vote, too.

And highest level of education does not equate to "smart". Higher education isn't an option for everyone.

[tyne]

10. As an O supporter...

I sure as hell hope the thread parent isn't one. If you are....think about someone else...please.

[Nailzberg]

19. I am an O supporter.

Are you asking me to support someone else, or the OP?

[bridgit]

73. I like her too, but I still think Beloved was a weird movie...

:scared:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. You should seriously consider changing parties

Really... it might work out for you.

[QC]

6. Some people discredit their own causes.

You are such a person.

[Mojorabbit]

7. Perhaps the lower income people

are too busy working to stay afloat to pay much attention to politics. She has name recognition.
It is an interesting breakdown though.

[DURHAM D]

28. Yep - they are too busy working second and third jobs to go vote. eom

[sandnsea]

Let's say, people who have to work longer hours

and don't have the time to devote to all the details of all the policies that create the circumstances we find ourselves in.

[Hoof Hearted]

102. Let's say your assumption is convenient bigotry.

Because that's probably closer to the truth.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. Looks like both no college and college grads went for Clinton

[Qanisqineq]

9. calling people "dotish"

how progressive

[incapsulated]

11. psssst.... throw in that they are weathly, too....

And it will do worlds of good for Obama, trust me.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. The day we let women and the working class take over our party...

you'll have to pry the latte out of my over-educated, well to do fingers.

[incapsulated]

17. lol

:D

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Nothing in there suggest smartness...

just education.

[writes3000]

14. C'mon. Enough with the tacky posts. n/t

[Uncle Sinister]

15. you very funny! report faux news as fact. yes you VERY much intelligent oh boy

[DaveinMD]

16. I thought our party

was supposed to stand up for low-income people. This sniping between our two candidates' supporters has got to end. It turns off many more people than it attracts.

[kurth]

18. Corollary1: People who have no use for universal health care voted Obama

[smalll]

20. No, people who had the opportunity to get credentialized in life

from our increasingly expensive institutes of learning voted for Obama. Those numbers do mean something though: they merely confirm the fact that the higher your socio/economic class, the more chance there is you will vote for Obama. To put it simply, rich people are for Obama, poor people are for Clinton. Now, which candidate should get the nomination of the Party? (The Democratic Party, that is.) :think:

[BlackVelvet04]

21. Is this some of that

change in politics you guys support? Or is it unity and hope?

[NMMNG]

29. No

It's that shitting all over people who don't drink the Kool-Aid, as if that's supposed to get us to fall in line or something. :eyes:

[lvx35]

22. So under 6 figure, union households must be stupid eh?

Because they fit this trend? This primary is rapidly turning into class warfare, and by the looks of this poll, I'm not rich enough to be on Obama's side.

[comfycouch]

23. Are you saying white people are usually smarter than black people?

Because they usually complete higher levels of education?

This is a racist comment that works against your own candidate.

[Sapphocrat]

24. I've never done this on DU, but for you I'll make an exception.

Fuck. You. Sideways.

And now I shall alert on your bullshit subject line.

And in case you didn't hear me:

Fuck. You. Sideways.

[Exultant Democracy]

52. classy

[Sapphocrat]

53. Gee, thanks!

Somebody as stupid as I am can only take that as a compliment from you.

[Exultant Democracy]

69. Now that is funny

[NMMNG]

55. An OP as classy as that one deserves a response like hers.

Thanks for noticing. :hi:

[bigtree]

85. .

[rufus dog]

25. You need to be very careful

This is what the Repubs are going to push as a negative against Obama in the GE if he wins. Kerry won the College Educated over 100k crowd so they know they have lost that demo.

A couple of quotes for you:

"Sick people go the the Hospital, Dumb people go to College"

"I was shocked to find so many smart uneducated people after joining the workforce with a MBA".

[Iceburg]

81. Its The Limoisine Liberals vs the Lunch Bucket Crowd

Obama the uniter has started a class war, a race war, a gender war, an age war.

Its the Rich versus the Rest of America.

Nice work Obamites ...destroying everything that the Dems used to stand for.

[polpilot]

93. Pro-War Clintonites w/ anti-worker platforms destroyed

America & made demo ideals a joke. Hill & Bill need to join the Repubs & tee it up with George, Sr. Oh they already have.

[Stand and Fight]

26. Idiotic and childesh.

You're a class-A prick.

Here's to HOPING your candidate goes down in flames, you little piss-ant.

[NMMNG]

27. This college-educated Clinton voter says

Take your flame-bait and shove it up your elitist ass.

[emilyg]

30. May I congratulate you on

being an ass.

[Metric System]

31. As a university grad and Hillary supporter may I say...

BLOW IT OUT YOUR HOLE, OP!!!!

:nuke:

[desi]

32. Some Southern California Lover you've turned out to be.

You're a rocket scientist as well I bet.

Oh shit, you might be from South Carolina instead. Apologies to the So Cal Lovers.

[WheelWalker]

33. Retreat to your glue bag and continue to inhale

[Celeborn Skywalker]

34. Please shut up.

You're making all Obama supporters look bad. Everyone, please note that not all Obama supporters are elitist assholes like the OP.

[billbuckhead]

45. Why are Obama supporter always trying to make other Obama supporters shut up

I think i've seen this about 500 times!:spray:

[Mass]

84. Because they do their job when a post is outrageous. You cannot say that for Hillary supporters.

[Hoof Hearted]

104. I do. When I'm here I stand up to really outragous Obama attacks.

We should all try to be better than this.

[Sapphocrat]

47. Good luck in fixing that little problem at this late stage.

You may be sincere, but the vast majority have pretty much carved that "elitist assholes" image into stone.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

62. I came to his camp late in the game.

I was initially an Edwards supporter and stayed out of the Clinton/Obama flamewars. I now support Obama but wish all the sniping between the two camps would end.

[Sapphocrat]

68. If Edwards had had the numbers...

...I would have laid down life and limb for him. He's miserably slow to get in on LGBT issues, but Eliz and Cate would have totally kicked his ass into line well within his first term. I wanted to work with John-O, but he caved. He fucking caved, as sure as Kerry caved the morning after the '04 sElection, when he didn't have to!

Left with the absolute last two Dem candidates on my list, I'm forced to back Hillary, and do my goddammnest to get excited about what I do know she will fix -- as opposed to all this vague, fuzzy, Kumbaya bullshit from the Obama camp.

I hope you re-think your Obama support. If he gets the Dem nom (God forbid), the GOP machine is going to chew him up and spit him out like we have never seen.

You want a Dem to take the White House, you go with one who's taken this shit from the right-wing smear machine since before Barry was in diapers, and thrown it back in their faces, over and over and over again.

You want Barry? You wait 'til 2016, 2020, 'til he's more seasoned.

I speak as one who is EXACTLY Obama's age: Had he been raised in California, we could have gone to high school together, and we'd have been in the same graduating class. I know a LOT of spoiled, privileged, overambitious Barrys, and he IS NOT ready to LEAD.

[Uncle Sinister]

35. Lots of sheep with sheepskin in the world, look at congress

[Lex]

36. Fox News -- now that's stupid.

nt

[Metric System]

50. I think its speled stoopid but Im not sure cause Im not smart.

[Thrill]

37. This is a trend. The well educated vote for Obama

[Sapphocrat]

44. You know what, Brent?

I'm sick of your shit, and I'm sick of you. The day you're willing to come out and discuss ISSUES instead of posting YOUR hit-and-runs and running away like a pissy little punk, let's talk.

[girl gone mad]

38. Way tacky.

When and if I vote for Obama, it will be DESPITE the actions of his supporters.

[ananda]

39. It looks like a division of class, gender and race to me.

In fact, some are saying that Obama and
Clinton should be running mates in order
to attract the groups that are for one or
the other.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[northzax]

40. does the mean Johns Hopkins

will take away my masters for being a Hillary guy? Cause that would suck.

[Nailzberg]

51. You call that pile of bricks a school?

:sarcasm:

[northzax]

57. not rrally

but I figured Yale wouldn't help me with the obamaists. :)

[Sapphocrat]

41. Hey, you hit-and-run PUNK...

Come back and defend yourself. Or did your online "degree" from the University of the Interwebs not prepare you for interaction with real people?

[bridgit]

42. So, you're suggesting gentle, *simple* people understand she will be their voice...

where they have none? And that smart, uppity, udjumacated folks vote from their alumni rolodex :shrug:

[City Lights]

43. Give it a rest, dude. eom

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. The "smart people" voted for optional AND universal healthcare.

This suggests something about the quality of higher education.

We can have it all, dammit! I want a pony!

The more posts like this I read, the more justified I feel in leaning toward Hillary.

[fishwax]

48. there's a difference between education and intelligence

The claim in your OP reflects neither.

[Bluebear]

49. Elitist bullshit. The Democratic party stands for ALL education levels...

we try to LIFT PEOPLE UP, not insult them and point out how much "better" we are. Asshole.

[meow mix]

54. they went to school during the great depression

give em a break...

[Sapphocrat]

56. And that means what?

My Depression-era parents are fucked in the head too?

Explain.

[Bluebear]

58. Clinton voters are all old decrepit waste-of-space idiots.

:eyes:

[Metric System]

59. It means Hillary supporters are old and stupid. So much for the unity candidate and bringer of hope.

[NMMNG]

63. And they claim we're the "ageists"?

:eyes:

[Silent3]

60. I graduated from college Summa Cum Laude with a 3.96 GPA...

...and I voted for Hillary.

It's probably the mere Cum Laude and Magna Cum Laude graduates voting for Obama. ;)

Oh, and I make 6 figures on my income alone too.

[Triana]

61. foxnews?

Bwhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

:rofl:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

64. That must be why I don't get the hype!

I'm not smart. If only I could get my degree faster I might understand what this hope and change thing is all about.

[calico1]

95. See? There you go!

If you were only smarter you would "get it" and see the light.

:silly:

I must be REALLY dumb because I DID go to college and I still don't get it!

:rofl:

[bidenista]

65. what a disgusting OP

I wonder how pervasive this kind of resentment of the working classes is in Camp Obama.

[VotesForWomen]

66. well, 'smart' people do a lot of trendy stuff. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

89. ...

:evilgrin:

[RaleighNCDUer]

67. That's an unfair characterization.

Education is not necessarily a measure of intelligence. I've known plenty of smart, poorly educated people, and more than a couple stupid, well educated people.

I think the breakdown is more accurately

Lazy people support Hillary.
Ambitious, hard-working people support Obama.

THAT, at least, seems to be supported by the lazy arguments that are thrown out by Hillary supporters, and their disdain for working through the criticisms of her.

[Jed Dilligan]

70. By equating education and intelligence,

you exhibit a lack of one or the other.

Jed Dilligan, PhD., Obama supporter

[Orangepeel]

71. Education is not the same thing as intelligence

[Luminous Animal]

72. Pathetic. Pathetic. Pathetic.

Will you make the claim that only smart people go to college?

Rather... Folks (dumb or smart -- i.e. George Bush) who can afford college, vote Obama. The rest, whether or not they can afford college, vote Clinton.

[MagickMuffin]

74. Why would you post a FOX poll here, and then add INSULT to injury by implying

dumb people voted for Hillary???

Since I am a visual person I fixed your data to help make it more legible as you can see your FAUX data is not at all what you were implying. Nice try though.



What was the last grade of school you completed? ...........Clinton ............Edwards .........Obama

Did not complete high school (5%) ....................................80% ....................3% ................17%

High school graduate (17%) ...............................................60% ....................6% .................32%

Some college or associate degree (32%) .............................53% ....................4% .................41%

College graduate (27%) .....................................................47% ....................5% .................47%

Postgraduate study (20%) .................................................45% .....................3% .................51%


A college education has not guarantee someone's intellect to be superior to someone less educated.

[Control-Z]

75. ...

:rofl:

really?

[rucky]

77. Anybody who thinks education level is a reliable measure of intelligence...

Has obviously never been in a fraternity house.

[MoonRiver]

78. Well if FAUX News says so....

But wait, between my husband and I we have four Master's degrees and a Ph.D.

Guess it's just the right wing Hillary smear machine in action again.

[mondo joe]

79. Now uneducated - typically working class - people aren't smart?

You must not be so smart yourself to have confused EDUCATED with SMART.

[niceypoo]

80. lol Blue states have a much higher level of college grads

Red states tend to be hicks

Facts are not always nice

[Mass]

82. I am sure that you went to college, but you are not smarter for that. And you just gave us the proof

[bigtree]

83. those educational opportunities aren't available to all 'smart' people

[demokatgurrl]

86. J.D. Ph.D. here, Hillary supporter.

sorry to fuck up your theory.

[Mass]

87. Unfortunately, you are accepting the elitist view of the OP. That you are smarter because you have a

PhD.

[cali]

88. Fuck your stupid ugly post

Sincerely,

An Obama supporter

[onenote]

99. I'm with you 100 percent on that!

[Alamom]

90. Several billboards in Alabama with this title would be a wake-up call to his supporters here.

Our Education Rating is in the toilet and everyone knows it.


edit grammer

[calico1]

91. Well educated may mean you can figure out

complex math problems, etc. but it doesn't necessarily give you common sense. Likewise, not educated---having only a high school degree doesn't necessarily make a person dumb.

I would venture to guess that a lot of parents of DU'ers are or were "uneducated." Mine were. My mom was one of those uneducated people you mention. She never even got to high school because her dad died when she was 16. This was in the depression era. She and her two older brothers dropped out of school to support my grandmother and their younger siblings. My mom became a seamstress. Until very late in her life she could look at a picture in a magazine and reproduce the most intricate dress, including wedding dresses..without a pattern. And she raised 5 kids keeping a tight budget and managing to save. Although my parents didn't make a lot of money, we never knew it because we wanted for nothing.


Look around you at the monuments, highways, bridges. Blue collar "not smart people" did that. And although sadly disappearing, it was "not so smart" people working in factories that fired up the economy in this country for years.


Oh, I am a college educated Clinton supporter. Thanks to my not so smart parents I became the first one in my generation to get a college degree.

Be careful about how you promote your candidate. As a reminder, the Democratic party is supposed to be the party of inclusion, not class division. I am not thrilled at all with Mr. Obama. And posts such as yours won't help me get any enthusiasm should he become the nominee.

[Marie26]

92. Elitist snob.

Education level has a whole lot more to do w/class than intelligence.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

94. wasn't that the same with Bush?

I can't remember

[indimuse]

96. ok...Now were posting FAUX Spews...as fact!

Game on...DO NOT knock my posts from "WHERE EVER" I get my info ANYMORE!" Remeber...fair is fair..LOOK OUT... IN COMING!





The transaction occurred at a time when it was widely known Tony Rezko was under investigation!






The transaction occurred at a time when it was widely known Tony Rezko was under investigation!



Obama Revealed in Rezko Corruption Investigation
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Jan 19, 08 01:00 PM
Bumped and updated: Obama is trying to distance himself Rezko by divesting himself (again) of tainted money.

Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama said Saturday that his campaign would give charities $40,350 in donations linked to his former friend and fundraiser Tony Rezko, a Chicago businessman who has pleaded not guilty to federal influence-peddling and bank fraud charges.
Obama already has divested more than $44,000 in Rezko-affiliated donations during the last year. But Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign made a comprehensive review of donations affiliated with Rezko and "found some we'd feel more comfortable not having."


---original post begins below---

Obama Revealed in Rezko Corruption Investigation
Originally published: Jan 19, 08 01:00 PM


The Chicago Sun-Times released a scathing article this morning titled "Obama surfaces in Rekzo's federal corruption case" which for the first time ties Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama into a federal corruption investigation of Obama's longtime supporter and fundraiser Tony Rezko.

The allegations against Rezko that involve Obama are contained in one paragraph of a 78-page document filed last month in which prosecutors outline their corruption and fraud case against Rezko, who was also a key money man for Gov. Blagojevich and other politicians.
Rezko is set to go to trial Feb. 25. The revelation that Obama's name could come up in court is a political headache he doesn't need as he heads into a round of primaries that are likely to determine his party's nomination for president.

Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 court document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed "political candidate" referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in "sham" finder's fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama's successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.

Rezko, who was part of Obama's senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing "at least one other individual" to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual -- in possible violation of federal election law.


If you aren't familiar with Obama's other ties with Rezko not to worry, there's lots of information out there, including favors extended to Obama by Rezko surrounding the Obama purchase of Illinois real estate.

In June 2005, Obama and Rezko purchased adjoining parcels in Kenwood. The state's junior senator paid $1.65 million for a Georgian revival mansion, while Rezko paid $625,000 for the adjacent, undeveloped lot. Both closed on their properties on the same day.
Obama's dealings with Rezko buy a parcel of questions Sweet blog: '08 hopeful in Iowa again. State worker puts up home for Rezko bail Blagojevich: I don't recall Rezko list
Last January, aiming to increase the size of his sideyard, Obama paid Rezko $104,500 for a strip of his land.

The transaction occurred at a time when it was widely known Tony Rezko was under investigation by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and as other Illinois politicians befriended by Rezko distanced themselves from him.

In the Sun-Times interview, Obama acknowledged approaching Rezko about the two properties being up for sale and that Rezko developed an immediate interest. Obama did not explain why he reached out to Rezko given the developer's growing problems.

Last month, Rezko was indicted for his role in an alleged pay-to-play scheme designed to fatten Gov. Blagojevich's political fund. Rezko also was accused of bilking a creditor.


But there's more. Here's another skeleton in the Obama closet, this from December, 2006:

In addition to a land deal, Sen. Barack Obama's ties to indicted dealmaker Antoin "Tony" Rezko include an internship the senator provided the son of a contributor at the request of Rezko, an Obama spokesman confirmed today.
John Aramanda served as an intern for Obama for about a month in 2005, said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs. His father is Joseph Aramanda, a Rezko business associate who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal corruption case against Rezko. Aramanda has contributed $11,500 to Obama since 2000, Gibbs said.

"Mr. Rezko did provide a recommendation for John Aramanda," Gibbs said. "I think that it's fairly obvious that a few-week internship is not of anything of benefit to Mr. Rezko or any of his businesses."

The revelation of the internship comes after Obama acknowledged a mistake in buying property from Rezko in January 2006 -- a deal that enlarged the senator's yard in the Kenwood neighborhood on the South Side. The transaction occurred at a time when it was widely known Rezko was under investigation by the U.S. attorney's office.

"It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else, to believe that he had done me a favor," Obama -- a likely presidential candidate -- told the Sun-Times in November.

[lachattefolle]

97. And here I thought ALL Democrats were smart because they weren't voting Republican.

Guess I learn something new every day.  You realize that there
are better ways to advocate for your candidate than by
antagonizing Senator Clinton's supporters.  Yes, I fully
realize not all Obama supporters are obnoxious and some
Clinton supporters are, especially on this board.  I have a
hard time believing people would be so negative in person, but
maybe I'm being naive.  We're supposed to be coming together
to beat the Republican candidate in November, not tearing each
other apart limb by limb, rhetorically speaking of course.  I
wish everyone could just sit back, take a deep breath, and try
to treat each other with a little more civility.
:) 

[NoBorders]

98. As an obama supporter

I think this would be a weakness on his part. As Karl Rove rightly points out, there are more beer drinkers than wine drinkers/voters. He needs to find a better way to appeal to the working class.

[Bongo Prophet]

100. Jeez, this isn't locked yet? A FAUX Obama supporter quoting Fox.

I am SMART enough to suspect your agenda.
Others have made clear that smart does not equal education, and told you what to do with your BS with the venom you deserve.
You are disrupting poorly.

Hillary supporters, Obama supporters, Edwards supporters holding on - support your candidates! You are ALL fellow dems and have my respect, no matter your choice.

Childish asses of all persuasions, having fun making the two main camps hate each other - we are watching you.
Those of you who take one asshole's taunt and take offense are right to do so, but if you take that and claim that it is ALL supporters or the candidate that is responsible - well that is stupid and plays right into the freepers' hands.

Please, do NOT keep amping it up - it just feeds their sense of accomplishment.


Oh, and to all of you saying in effect "I'm a Hillary supporter and I have X degrees and make THIS much money, so there" -- you really don't get it. This is like some ass who uses "gay, fat, butch or whatever" as an insult and you say " I am NOT that, so there" -- I have to explain that to the "Mann Coulter, HAHA" crowd, the "I bet I make more money than YOU, jerk" crowd, and so on.

It just adds insult to insult, and in a way it accepts the premise.
It is all quite ugly.
I almost want to join one of the candidate's posses - or maybe 3 days a week of each - just to smack down those in my own "camp"...
Maybe the smartest long-time DUers in EACH camp could start "policing" their own, the rest of us just SHUN them. I am almost sorry I came into this thread, much less added to it here. But I am just as sure that most Obama supporters are turned off by this as I am most Clinton supporters don't believe the "cult" BS - but they are mostly silent or don't even come into the mudpit. Who can blame them?

Argue tax policy or energy or something for gods' sake.
This is fucking kidergarten.

[Hoof Hearted]

101. You've done a great job of capturing the naive hubris of the most obnoxious of supporters.

You disparaged only yourself with this post.

[karlrschneider]

103. It's a Faux poll. 'nuff said.

:eyes:
(Not so smart people post Fox polls)