Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Is Obama a Mac and Clinton a PC?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:41 AM
Original message
Is Obama a Mac and Clinton a PC?
NYT: Link by Link
Is Obama a Mac and Clinton a PC?
By NOAM COHEN
Published: February 4, 2008

....according to design experts, the candidates have left a clear blueprint of their personal style — perhaps even a window into their souls — through the Web sites they have created to raise money, recruit volunteers and generally meet-and-greet online. On one thing, the experts seem to agree. The differences between hillaryclinton.com and barackobama.com can be summed up this way: Barack Obama is a Mac, and Hillary Clinton is a PC.

That is, Mr. Obama’s site is more harmonious, with plenty of white space and a soft blue palette. Its task bar is reminiscent of the one used at Apple’s iTunes site. It signals in myriad ways that it was designed with a younger, more tech-savvy audience in mind — using branding techniques similar to the ones that have made the iPod so popular....

In contrast to barackobama.com, Mrs. Clinton’s site uses a more traditional color scheme of dark blue, has sharper lines dividing content and employs cookie-cutter icons next to its buttons for volunteering, and the like....Jason Santa Maria, creative director of Happy Cog Studios, which designs Web sites, detected a basic breach of netiquette. “Hillary’s text is all caps, like shouting,” he said. There are “many messages vying for attention,” he said, adding, “Candidates are building a brand and it should be consistent.” But Emily Chang, the cofounder of Ideacodes, a Web designing and consulting firm, detected consistent messages, and summed them up: “His site is more youthful and hers more regal.”

Mr. Obama’s site is almost universally praised. Even Martin Avila, the general manager of the company responsible for the Republican Ron Paul’s Web site, said simply, “Barack’s site is amazing.” But the compliments are clearly double-edged. While Apple’s ad campaign maligns the PC by using an annoying man in a plain suit as its personification, it is not clear that aligning with the trendy Mac aesthetic is good politics. The iPod may be a dominant music player, but the Mac is still a niche computer. PC, no doubt, would win the Electoral College by historic proportions (with Mac perhaps carrying Vermont).

While Mr. Santa Maria praised barackobama.com for having “this welcoming quality,” he added that it was “ethereal, vaporous and someone could construe it as nebulous.” He said there was a bit of the “Lifetime channel effect, you know, vasoline on the lens” to create a softer effect on the viewer. The “hectic” site that the Clinton campaign is offering could actually be quite strategic, exactly in step with her branding. After all, Mrs. Clinton repeatedly emphasizes how hard she will work for the average American “starting on Day 1.” If she comes across as energetic online, that may simply be her intention. If she shouts a bit more, typographically speaking, that may be the better to be heard....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/technology/04link.html?bl&ex=1202533200&en=3d30181e38ef380e&ei=5087%0A
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:42 AM
Response to Original message
1. Obama is Linux, baby
If I can't have the OpenBSD of Kucinich, I'll take it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. Open government meets open standards.
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:42 AM
Response to Original message
2. Sounds about right. Tried to switch to a MAC but the damned thing was a POS that didn't work
with anything so I switched back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. hmm running a macbook with an Intel processor
and very happy... no more windows nightmares (since vista came out)

Yes, my software behaves

:-)

So I guess that is my experience.

For the record, I don't like either candidate... will hold nose in November
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #2
28. First of all, it's not a MAC, it's a Mac...
...Mac is not an acronym for something.

Second, are you judging the entirety of what Macs are like based on one bad experience? As if nearly anyone using PCs for any length of time at all doesn't have plenty of horror stories to tell?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. Anyone who can't figure out how to use a Mac is seriously hampered by the PC-mindset
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Excuse me. Mac -- It just wouldn't work with anything. Sorry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:42 AM
Response to Original message
3. Yuppie hipsters
That's the culture war part of it.

--p!
PC with Ubuntu Linux 7.10
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:42 AM
Response to Original message
4. Hey...lay off Vermont!
Not our fault were cooler than the rest of you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:45 AM
Response to Original message
5. I'm a Clinton supporter typing this on my MacBook Pro laptop right now
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 01:55 AM by Kerry4Kerry
If I were to look for a computer industry term to apply to Obama it wouldn't be Mac or PC, or even Linux for that matter.

It would be vaporware. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Univac!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
23. ....
:spray:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #5
25. chuckle
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:49 AM
Response to Original message
7. If that's true, then Kucinich is Linux...
:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Kooch is an Amiga!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. Superior and ahead of his time?
I can see that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #7
17. Kucinich is OpenBSD
Stable. Secure. Correct.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:42 AM
Response to Original message
10. Exactly. Clinton supporters must ignore glaring deficiencies in a repackaged product from the 90's
:P

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. !
:spray:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #10
20. Zing nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:45 AM
Response to Original message
12. No, Obama is Google and Hillary is Yahoo.
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 02:47 AM by JackORoses
Everyone loves Google. So much so that Yahoo is driven to sell out to the corporate masters of Microsoft for a chance at the ultimate prize. (see Faust)
Yahoo is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

But Yahoo's New Voice will sound just like Microsoft's Old Voice.
It will not change the People's affection for Google.

In the end, the People will stick with what they Love.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:03 AM
Response to Original message
13. Does this mean Bush is an Etch-A-Sketch?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #13
16. and McCain is running on DOS.
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. And Mitt Romney is too,
only he's calling it "Dee-Oh-Ess."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #18
31. Nah, Romney only runs Novell software
Based in good ol' Provo Utah, of course.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. that was very good
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. quit insulting my etch-a-sketch, dammit!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #13
26. An unshakable one, unfortunately
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:04 AM
Response to Original message
15. Clinton supporter; Mac owner since 1982!! Apple IIc
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:27 AM
Response to Original message
19. good analogy, pc's are dull, vulnerable to attack, and outdated, but are what most people choose ...
for getting the job done. While macs are incredibly overpriced, more about style than substance, and must rely on slick marketing to stay competitive, but they are cool!

And to those who made the Kucinich/Linux analogy? Pleas read "Computers for Dummies" Mac and PC refer to hardware, Linux is an operating system. Apples (no pun intended) and oranges, kiddies. The proper analogy for you would be "Barak is OSX, Clinton is Windows, Kucinich is Linux" get it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:38 AM
Response to Original message
22. Thank god someone is having some fun with all of this.
Time for everyone to take a deep breath; maybe even get a full night's rest.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. rest? what is this "rest" of which you speak,? we need no sleep; puny mortal!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. and miles to go before we sleep.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:19 AM
Response to Original message
29. Hillary is a 386 from 1992 repackaged and advertised as a "new" PC
And the Hillbots swear that she'll run Vista just fine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. and Barak's an Airbook. Sexy. Cool. Expensive. And not much good for getting any work done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:13 PM
Response to Original message
35. This video proves Obama is a Mac & Hillary is PC
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:46 PM
Response to Original message
36. Yeah, but those macs scratch easily and contain the same components as PCs. At 3x the price.
Why the flying fickle fingering of flibble are we comparing politicians to computers?!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:54 PM
Response to Original message
38. BUsh is the ORIGINAL Gameboy
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 06:05 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC