to Hillary supporters - why "Obama supporters won't vote for Hillary"

[themaguffin]

Since it keeps getting posted that Obama said that she won’t get all of his supporters and it has caused such a melodramatic reaction here, I thought that I would state the obvious, which is all that Obama was noting – he is bringing thousands of NEW voters to the polls who would not be there if they weren’t inspired by him.

Many of these people who are inspired by him are obviously not already inspired by Hillary or any of the other candidates that had run this time. It’s not a proactive action against Hillary or anyone else, it’s merely the draw that Obama has. Sure if she gets the nomination, he would say something and many would vote for her, but some – the ones not previously involved in the political process will not see that there is something to vote unless Hillary gives them that reason - they will go back to their non-political worlds.

She is not trying very hard now to get his significant younger voters (and younger includes many in their 30s and 40s as well).

He will support her and most of us here recognize the need to get a Democratic agenda in the White House, but SHE will have to appeal to them to get their votes.

In this very irrational forum, I hope this makes sense.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. No. He is not bringing the new voters. BUSH IS.

[mkultra]

2. Bush is as well

But Obama has a stronger draw amongst indies than Clinton does at this time.

[TornadoTN]

4. Indies and the 18-35 demographic

Those are huge draws and generally translate well into the General Election.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. EXACTLY !

[themaguffin]

13. this is EXACTL,Y the problem. She won't win these new voters by ignoring them

[ClassWarrior]

14. Bush** is bringing 'em in the door. It's up to the candidate to make the sale.

Just sayin...

:shrug:

NGU.

[xchrom]

3. so in other words -- you want to hold people hostage. nt

[themaguffin]

7. NO please read. What the hell is your problem - I am making a positive suggestion for ALL of us

[xchrom]

15. you want to hold people hostage -- that if they support a different candidate --

the dem party loses because X supporters will never support the candidate of Y supporters.

a kind of doomsday prediction to dis-spirit Y supporters and bring them into the other camp.

perhaps the problem is that you can't comprehend what you write.

they have remedial programs for that. i suggest you take one -- or three.

[themaguffin]

18. No you are not reading. Read it slower this time.

SHE will ultimately have to earn their votes. Are that you immature to not grasp this fundamental concept.

[xchrom]

20. ''Are that you immature to not grasp this fundamental concept. ''

like i said -- remedial programs.

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Hillary won't win my state. But Obama could. The reason is that we have a lot of independents who

don't like Hillary. They won't vote for her.

But many would vote for Obama.

If that is beyond your comprehension, then good luck in politics.

[xchrom]

23. same reasoning -- you want to hold people hostage -- nothing more.

you are pointing a metaphorical gun at folk and saaying if this isn't the outcome then this gun is going to shoot you.

please. there is no logic or rationality in any of this.

just:crazy:

[John Q. Citizen]

24. You apparently believe that stating a fact is equivalent to holding people hostage

I think your blind obsessive love of Hill is blurring your brain.

[xchrom]

25. presenting anecdotal experiences aren't facts -- they are experiences that have no bearing

on reality -- i know lots of people too. -- doesn't mean a fucking thing.

i voted for edwards.

[MH1]

9. No one's "holding" anyone

The question is whether Hillary can inspire people who now support Obama but not her, to start supporting her if she wins the nomination.

I was talking to a big Hillary supporter yesterday (someone who will probably be elected a delegate for her) and he SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT THE OP SAID.

It is up to Hillary to inspire those people and bring them into the fold. Even if Obama turns his support to Hillary and works tirelessly for her, some of his supporters won't follow him - they will wait to see if she will motivate them to follow her.

And you know what, that Hillary supporter said that he thought she wouldn't be able to do it. He thought it was a serious concern for her GE campaign. (Assuming she has a GE campaign).

[ClassWarrior]

28. That's like saying the teacher's holding the student hostage with grades.

:rofl:

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

29. .

[russian33]

5. like i said yesterday, i want a Democratic president to be elected by Democrats

and Obama has done very well at turning off the dem.base with some of his rhetoric

it doesn't make me warm and fuzy that repubs and independents will vote for him, but dems won't

[themaguffin]

8. that is complete bullshit

[russian33]

17. thanks for that insightful post

[themaguffin]

19. exactly my point

[ClassWarrior]

26. That's numerically impossible.

The only thing warm and "fuzy" is your logic.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

27. .

[H2O Man]

6. Nominated.

Well said. Thank you.

[bigtree]

11. no. these voters are inspired more by their disgust at Bush and the republican party

of which McCain is the poster child

[themaguffin]

12. it's beyond Bush

[ClassWarrior]

16. They're paying attention because of Bush.** Now it's up to the candidates...

...to grab that attention. And it looks like one of them is doing it better than the other.

NGU.

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Hillary creeps a lot of people out who are also creeped out by bush. I know that

many Hill and bush supporters live in a world that is black and white. one imagines that anyone who doesn't like bush will like Hill, and visa versa.

The truth is both personalities creep a lot of people out. Of course many bush and Hill supporters can't imagine how that would be.

[Blarch]

30. Give it up.

Your exact words have been posted here a million times...

Alot of Hillary supporters just are not smart enough to grasp this simple concept.

They think the Obama people are obligated to vote for Hillary...a stupid thought to say the least.

My dog even knows better. This is just fucking retarded.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

31. The inspired youth will be on to the next fad by November. They won't show up.

[ClassWarrior]

33. Yeah, don't worry about them. Stay home and save your energy for the GE.

You'll be doing Sen. Clinton a favor.

NGU.

[Iceburg]

32. LOL. Hillary won all age classes in CA. Obama couldn't even get the "idol" crowd in CA

He appears to have a small cult of Limoisine Liberals behind him -- celebrities and those the celebrities influence.