Wow, For Clinton to be BROKE means she SPENT over $40 MILLION in JAN!!!!

[berni_mccoy]

I know the campaign should not be about how much money a candidate can raise, but watching how it is spent is very telling.

Check it out.



http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

As of end of Q4 last year, she had 37 million cash on hand and had nearly $5 million in debt. This doesn't factor in what she raised in Jan, so she's SPENT A TON OF MONEY just to keep pace with Obama.

Now she's loaning her campaign $5 million.

And that's just to stay in the race.

This does not look good for her campaign.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. HRC did it for super Tuesday and prevailed in CA. It was worth it

and I contributed again last night.

[berni_mccoy]

4. Prevailed? More like TIED with Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. She won CA by 10 points

[papau]

18. LOL - so a win by 10 points - holding Obama to 42% - gives him a "tie"

Joe Biden (Dem) 15,463 0.3 %
Dennis Kucinich (Dem) 20,206 0.5 %
Barack Obama (Dem) 1,735,105 42.3 %
Bill Richardson (Dem) 16,960 0.5 %
Hillary Clinton (Dem) 2,132,166 52.0 %
Chris Dodd (Dem) 6,727 0.1 %
John Edwards (Dem) 170,013 4.2 %
Mike Gravel (Dem) 6,666 0.1 %

[berni_mccoy]

23. When she was polling 15-20 points higher than that just a week before, YEAH.

[papau]

29. Obama was up (RCP ave) 1.2% over Clinton in the polls - but she won by 10

Tuesday, February 5 | Delegates at Stake: 441
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Spread
Final Results - - 42.3 51.9 Clinton +9.6


RCP Average 02/01 - 02/04 - 44.0 42.8 Obama +1.2
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby 02/03 - 02/04 895 LV 49 36 Obama +13.0
SurveyUSA 02/03 - 02/04 872 LV 42 52 Clinton +10.0
Suffolk 02/01 - 02/03 700 LV 40 39 Obama +1.0
Rasmussen 02/02 - 02/02 798 LV 45 44 Obama +1.0

[berni_mccoy]

34. Take out the Bullshit Zogby poll and you have a more realistic result.

[KittyWampus]

7. apparently she had no ground game in many states nor a plan for having to actually FIGHT f

for the nomination.

It took her THIS long to reach out to grassroots?

[Fredda Weinberg]

14. I have little respect for grassroots. HRC has been working the

political establishment that gave us the new deal and the war on poverty.

And this is from someone who mobilized the 'nets for Pacifica radio and of course, election reform.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

37. Dont forget

"political establishment that gave us the new deal and the war on poverty. "

She also was part of the establishment that gave us the war on iraq, but it was popular then so I guess its ok..

[Fredda Weinberg]

38. It's not OK, but it does put the decision in context. You can't be a

leader w/o followers, which constrains behavior.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

39. Wow how sick is that

'you cant be a leader without followers' sounds like Lemming logic and she did indeed jump off the cliff along with us foreign policy..

I want a leader who does not stick their finger up in the air to gauge the wind when looking for an opinion about war..

[Fredda Weinberg]

40. A leader is sensitive to how far a team can be driven. That's life /t

[Barack_America]

30. I was under the impression that there were other states in this country...

...and that many of them voted too.

Silly me.

[jillan]

2. Obama OUTSPENT her.

hello?

[berni_mccoy]

5. And still has more cash on hand. Amazing isn't it?

He was way behind and caught up with her while she struggled to stay even.

[papau]

21. And still only got 42% in California

[SOS]

32. Across America, the results were quite different:

TOTAL VOTES CAST
Clinton: 50.2% (7,347,971)
Obama: 49.8% (7,294,851)

4/10ths of 1% difference.

[sandnsea]

10. He has offices all over the country

He was laying the grassroots groundwork for the entire campaign. Big difference.

[jsamuel]

3. the cash on hand includes general election money, which I think she has a lot of compared to Obama

[berni_mccoy]

11. "had" would be the correct verb here. She "had" a lot compared to Obama.

[jsamuel]

24. no, general election money cannot be spent yet, she still has it

[LostinVA]

25. No, "has"

She can't use the GE money for primaries.

[Coexist]

6. She raised $13 mil in January -

do you really think she broke - or just crying broke to stimulate slow fundraising numbers?

I have a hard time wrapping my mind about Clinton spending herself broke with a protracted battle looming. Do you think her strategy was to put it away already?

Poor planning?

The Clintons.

They are too crafty.

What is your opinion.

[berni_mccoy]

8. It's hard to say if she is being honest about it. If she isn't, she's going to piss off her base

I know I wouldn't be happy if a candidate I gave money lied to me about needing it.

[KittyWampus]

9. the Hallmark bit must have cost a pretty penny.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. Half a million dollars

not that much

[Coexist]

16. $500,000 - Obama spent $250,000 on theSuperBowl buy.

those two choices tell me so much.

It amazes me.

[berni_mccoy]

20. Bwahahahahaha! That's FUNNY! She spent 500,000 on something a very small number of people saw

While Obama got the biggest Super Bowl VIEWERSHIP IN HISTORY.

[Fredda Weinberg]

35. HRC bought something substantial. n/t

[Exultant Democracy]

13. From what I can put together your wrong, she spent that primary money in Iowa

at the start of jan she was already in a situation where she had something like 13 million left that she could use in the primary.

[berni_mccoy]

17. Wow. Didn't I say JAN? Iowa was in JAN. Desperate GOMAMA Cultist.

[Exultant Democracy]

36. She spent the money in Iowa before the Primary on Jan 3rd. Not 40 mil during Jan, 40 mil before Jan

[berni_mccoy]

41. The expenses were accurate as of Dec 31 (end of Q4).

So your original statement is wrong. She had that much cash on hand coming into Jan.

[woolldog]

19. She's

not broke. It's Clinton propoganda trying to garner sympathy.

But yeah if she is broke, she is fiscally irresponsible. Do we want someone that fiscally irresponsible running the country? I don't think so.

[berni_mccoy]

22. If she's not broke, she's lying to her supporters. They ought to be PISSED.

[TheDeathadder]

28. We're not pissed

and we know she's not broke. She has to in the short term get her money to be competitive with Obama's money. Obama raised alot of money, hat's off to him. Clinton had to make a short term decision to close the gap with money. It's not that crazy.

[HopeforChange]

27. This is sympathy game I think

Hillary was to build the grassroots support that Obama got. Part of this was through direct online donations from the little people. If Hillary can beg and plead that she is broke the little people who support her will do what Obama's did for him. This will build her network. Plus since she loaned her campaign money she can get the little people to pay back the loan in case she looses.

That's my take for what it's worth.

[woolldog]

31. has anyone noticed

that Hillary is imitating whatever the Obama camp does. Obama started talking about change. That cuaght on, so then she started touting change and how she stood for change. People Obama has painstakingly built a grassroots fundraising machine, with a large presence on the internet. It works so Hillary starts trying to do it.

All her ideas are derivative. She's not a leader, but a follower.

[TheDeathadder]

33. No I haven't noticed that

[TheDeathadder]

26. She's not broke

Obama raised alot of money - ALOT OF MONEY - She had to make some decision for short term action to quickly have her money be competitive with Obama's money.