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Thu Feb-07-08 12:29 PM
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"Sen. Obama has always had a 100 percent prochoice rating." |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:30 PM
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1. Depends how you consider "present" |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:32 PM
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3. like 'presently' some clintons supporters are grasping at straws? |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:33 PM
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4. Like Obama can't take a stand and wants credit for it. |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:35 PM
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6. as opposed to the credit clintons want- |
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that is not earned or deserved...
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:37 PM
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8. You do know that Obama is an Axleroad creation, and is purposely |
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vague on issues and positions - right?
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:39 PM
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oh, of course! we all know that!
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:42 PM
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14. Better get another case of koolaid. |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:36 PM
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7. I don't know, why don't we ask Planned Parenthood? Oh, wait, it was their idea in the first place. |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:37 PM
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9. Their idea to protect Obama - not help with the real issue. |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:39 PM
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12. "We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes." So, who am I going to trust on abortion? |
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Planned Parenthood and NARAL, or guy on Internet with a Hillary sig and a DLC avatar?
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:41 PM
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13. Without the DLC the Democratic Party would have died 15 years ago. |
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Just sayin' those are not leadership votes no matter what groups claims they are.
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:44 PM
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15. I got no major problems with the DLC. I'm just saying I'm going to trust |
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Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 12:44 PM by Occam Bandage
NARAL and Planned Parenthood when it comes to Barack Obama's pro-choice credentials, rather than the contrasting declarations of an internet message-board user with an openly-declared agenda.
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:45 PM
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16. stupid is as stupid does |
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and you are absolute proof that it doesn't do very well, chickadee.
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:49 PM
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17. Oh dear. Snickerdoodle - I don't think that was necessary. |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:31 PM
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:34 PM
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5. Planned Parenthood rating does not agree with NOW - but then Obama choses his "facts" |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:38 PM
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10. Planned Parenthood and NARAL both give him 100%. Both are pro-choice groups. |
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NOW, OTOH, was the group that called Ted Kennedy a misogynist for daring to endorse a man. So I think we know where their priorities are.
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:51 PM
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18. NOW doesn't even agree with NOW. |
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Illinois NOW's Story on Obama Has Changed Over TimeDuring his time as a state senator, no major pro-choice organization questioned Obama's present votes. Instead, Obama received endorsements from Personal PAC, NARAL of Illinois PAC, the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, and, YES, EVEN Illinois NOW.
That's right! Illinois NOW endorsed Barack Obama in his elections in 1998 and 2002 AFTER he voted "present" on several bills. As Illinois NOW officials have stated, they were aware of the "present" vote strategy, and they still endorsed him. They also endorsed several other prominent Illinois politicians who voted the same way.
It is only after years have past that Illinois NOW has changed its mind. Apparently, these days they don't agree with the strategy that they originally endorsed. Why didn't they think that in 1998 or 2002?
I don't know why Illinois NOW has changed its opinion of Barack Obama since his record has remained the same and since his time as a state senator, he has only demonstrated a full and steady commitment to choice.
I don't take issue with Illinois NOW having a preference for a woman candidate for president. However, I do take issue with their distortion of Obama's record.
If we don't defend people who stand with us, how can we ever expect them to be there when the going gets tough? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-trombley/setting-the-record-straig_b_85187.html
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