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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:45 PM
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About the seating of delegates from Florida.
It appears to be the bottom line that if Hillary is the winner going into the convention...she will have the majority of the credentials committee perhaps. Then she is likely to get her FL delegates seated.

I have read a lot on this topic, and I have been through hatred here in Florida toward Howard Dean, a man I respect. It is my understanding that the only way Hillary will get the Florida delegates to count for her.....is to already be the winner. If she is the one leading, she could count them.

Why in the world would Obama want to seat them? He did not win Florida, but by golly he would have been right on her butt if so many had not voted so early. By Florida primary day the margin for Hillary had narrowed to 4% among voters that day on exit polls

The process of seating the Florida & Michigan delegations

Now, for the purposes of explaining how the delegations from Michigan & Florida will get seated and allowed to vote, let's say that once all the votes are cast, the delegates elected, and the standing committee members allocated, Hillary Clinton ends up with a majority of the votes (92) on the Credentials Committee. As I stated above, the Credentials Committee is the committee that determines the eligibility of each delegate to vote at the Democratic National Convention. Once the Credentials Committee is fully organized and constituted, Hillary Clinton could instruct her majority on the committee to include a resolution in the Credentials Committee Report that overturns the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee for the Democratic National Committee and seats the delegates from Florida and Michigan with full voting privileges.

If that happens, then the next step will be for the full Democratic National Convention to vote on the adoption of the Credentials Committee Report with the resolution that reinstates the voting privileges of the delegates from Michigan and Florida. Interestingly enough, that's the first order of business that the Democratic National Convention delegates will have to take up.


Here is another diary which is linked also from the Democratic Convention Watch.

From the first link:

The possibility would come if the candidate who won Florida, say Hillary, also held a plurality, but not a majority of delegates. The decision on seating Florida would have to be made by the credentials committee, which is composed 25 people appointed by Howard Dean, and 161 who are chosen according to a formula that reflects -- but isn't identical to -- the outcome of the primaries and caucuses in each state.

So there's a scenario under which Clinton doesn't quite have enough delegates, but her allies gain control of the credentials committee, seat Florida, and push her over the top. Secondarily, it's possible that a minority, pro-Clinton report out of the credentials committee could be taken to the floor (though if Clinton doesn't have enough votes there for the nomination, it's hard to see how she'd have enough to seat Florida).

Not likely, but mathematically possible, among the various unlikely possibilities that lead to a tight delegate fight.


Again it looks like she would have to be the winner already to get Florida's delegates.

This link explains it even better.

FL and MI delegations will not be seated if the nomination is contested.

And we have a vote, state-by-state, the first meaningful state-by-state roll call at a Democratic Convention since 1980. Clinton would need a majority of the delegates (not including Florida and Michigan) to approve the Minority Report.

And then reality strikes. If Clinton can get a majority of delegates to support the Minority Report, than she has a majority of the delegates supporting her anyway, and she doesn't need Michigan and Florida.

But if she doesn't have a majority of the delegates supporting her, its hard to see why delegates supporting other candidates would vote to seat the two delegations, essentially helping her out. After fighting for the nomination for 2 years, why would Obama or Edwards and their delegates give up the fight in this way. It's just not going to happen. The delegations will NOT be seated if the nomination is contested.


NOW, just let me say that none of what I wrote matters at all. It has been made abundantly clear that to her campaign now, the rules do not matter. They are going after Florida delegates, rules be damned.

They are doing it with the help of the Florida Democratic leaders. It is going to turn a lot of people away who are now enthusiastic. It is wrong for her campaign to do this.



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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:48 PM
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1. Our local Fox affiliate
was saying this morning that there could be another election in June-wanna bet where The Clinton campaign comes down on this idea?
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:57 PM
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3. Other than the financial costs of that,
it might be a very good idea. There could be many people who didn't bother to vote knowing that it wouldn't count. I even considered not voting myself, but as a DU'er, people got on my case and I did vote.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:49 PM
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2. If he can't seat them (because it would hurt him) then he doesn't have a mandate and you can bet...
...that in their sit down with Dean it'll hurt him.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:57 PM
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4. Obama just said on MSNBC that
he would agree to seat delegates if they both got the chance to make their case to the voters in both states.

madfloridian, I will be so... ugh... I can't even speak I'm so angry.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:35 PM
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6. I just called the DNC. Had to leave a message.
I am sick inside. I can not believe I cared so much back in 2003, and that I am beginning to care so little now.

If Obama is going to agree to let her have the delegates after just "talking" to FL Democrats...then she is our nominee.

And that's that.

It is amazing how this board fills up with people saying anything at all. We are fast losing any credibility we had here at DU.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:53 PM
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7. I feel it to...
if they hand Clinton this nomination - a lot of new converts will check out.

It makes me feel old and tired.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:45 PM
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8. I know the feeling.
:hi:
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:59 PM
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5. Here is some more good reading on the FL & MI delegate seating
Very complex system, but it has been used before.

The process of seating the Florida & Michigan delegations
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/27/165022/889

Florida, technically
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Florida_technically.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 02:14 AM
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9. This is the kind of crap we read daily here.
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