UPDATED: Hillary Campaign bragging about tricking donors.

[mckeown1128]

Terry McAuliffe told donors and reporters on a conference call that the campaign has raised $7.5 million online this month, more than $6 million of it in the last 24 hours. The message: She's alive and kicking.

Interestingly, the campaign's spin is that Clinton's loan to the campaign -- taken by many as a sign of desperation -- was an effective fundraising tactic, encouraging people to donate.

"They said, 'I didn’t know you needed money, I thought you had all the money you need,'" McAuliffe said.

More evidence of cash on hand, per McAuliffe: "We are going up immediately in Washington state, Maine and Nebraska," he said of a planned television campaign, which will feature former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey in his home state. The campaign would run ads in Ohio and Texas starting early next week.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Clinton_claims_a_money_surge_plans_ads.html#comments


Hey, I will give them credit their tactic does indeed seem to be working.


UPDATE: It seems the Clinton staff going without pay was a ruse to.

So it turns out the Clinton campaign may not be so cash-strapped after all — at least not at this very moment.

After offering on Wednesday to go without paychecks to help save precious campaign resources, senior staff members on Hillary Clinton's campaign are in fact not going without pay during the month of February, ABC News has learned.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4257358&page=1

[Occam Bandage]

1. Exactly as I predicted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4450100&mesg_id=4450100

[grantcart]

6. yes you did and I didn't believe you but I still don't see it as a

particularly smart tactic in the long run.

[Occam Bandage]

9. Plus, it turns out that her staffers aren't actually going to go without pay. Nice.

[guruoo]

45. Now that the donations are rolling in n/t

[LandOLincoln]

99. Sorry, but I don't see any of this as a lie or as a ruse.

Just a ladylike way of asking for money without--you know--asking for money. My mother would approve.

Gotta say I'm getting a huge kick out of all the twisted knickers on the Oborg, though. The cyberscreeching is damn near deafening.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Laurab]

101. How can you NOT see it as a ruse?

Are you THAT blinded? And they call Obama supporters bots? It is both a lie AND a ruse, and a very effective one, apparently. If I were one of the people that donated because of it, I'd be PISSED.

[LandOLincoln]

110. I don't know what you're talking about. Do you?

She put $5 million of her own money into her campaign. It's perfectly legal, and it was needed, because they were down to their last million or so, and some of her staff were offering to go without pay if need be.

Then the campaign simply announced what she'd done--AFTER Super Tuesday, because to announce beforehand would have been incredibly stupid. And we took care of the rest, and very nicely too if I do say so myself.

The rest is the ususal MSM spin and lies, and you can huff and puff all you want, but be aware that you're not fooling anyone with your hyped up and very hypocritical indignation.

Mind your own business, why don't you?

[Laurab]

111. It IS my business.

I'm a registered Democrat. I vote. I'm very interested in what the people I may have to vote for are doing.

[jgraz]

77. Mad props, O.B.

I am constantly caught underestimating the deceitfulness of the Clintons.

[Perry Logan]

83. What an incredible insult to her millions of supporters. Please start by apologizing to Maya Angelou

[jgraz]

85. Nice, Perry. Hide behind the old black woman

That's some impressive stones you've got there. :eyes:

[Perry Logan]

87. You are without shame.

[jgraz]

88. He says from behind Maya Angelou's skirt.

[Perry Logan]

90. Well brayed, Sir Ass.

[jgraz]

91. Sorry, couldn't hear you. Could you move the poet laureate out of the way?

:rofl:

[Perry Logan]

92. You mean Donald Hall? Oh well, it's the thought that counts.

[jgraz]

93. Wow, you really get to know the women you hide behind

She's apparently never officially held the title, although she was the "unofficial" Poet Laureate of Clinton's first inauguration. I guess Bubba didn't want to lose the white southern vote by making the position permanent.

[Perry Logan]

115. And you, my friend, are the poet laureate of missing the point!

[rodeodance]

98. No insult--just a made up story served up by vocal Obamababies.

[LittleClarkie]

107. Oh yeah, well my candidate could beat up your candidate so nyah.

[Infinite Hope]

112. Wow. You were dead-on. n/t

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. Except I posted yesterday that this was a grab at the underdog status. Then I donated.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

5. BLOGS are notoriously flawwed in accuracy! This post has no credible sources!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

10. What I meant is I thought the timing was to grab the underdog status, but didn't care

[mckeown1128]

16. Of course YOU are proud of these tactics...

Can Clinton do any wrong?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

41. Not proud or anything. Timing in politics exists, I didn't invent it

[rodeodance]

59. You have NOthing but conjured up stew--add a few bat wings!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

94. lol. I don't know I might like somma that trippy stew

[rodeodance]

95. I will leave the bat parts out for you. I make a good rabbit stew. later.

[grantcart]

39. yeah that damn abc is oh never mind

[rodeodance]

96. the Obamababies don't care about that. But good point.

[HeraldSquare212]

3. The candidate who cried wolf....nt

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

4. Thats a BLOG, not a reliable source!

[mckeown1128]

13. So are you saying that Terry McAuliffe didn't say any of that? nt

[bigtree]

37. he didn't say what you said

[mckeown1128]

66. So you are saying that the quote is made up? nt

[bigtree]

75. you don't have a quote which says anything about a "tactic"

or anything else that you're accusing here.

It was the press and the Obama camp who tried the "tactic" of exposing the loan. It backfired on them. As Terry says,

They (donors) said, 'I didn’t know you needed money, I thought you had all the money you need."

[rinsd]

7. Its all about motivating donors.

Its seems people are more pissed that it worked.

[UALRBSofL]

17. I think the Obama supporters are mad she raised the money so quick

And trying to spin it negatively will not work.

[northzax]

49. makes them feel like they aren't really part of a special movement

if the evil hildabeast can raise money so quick, too.

[Mojorabbit]

63. If it is true

it was an awful thing to do. I hope it isn't true.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Having Hillary shed a few tears on the eve of a primary also works!

There's a sucker being born everyday!

[Tennessee Gal]

19. Obama people should know!

[IndianaGreen]

20. I know a con artist when I see one

and the Clintons are among the best of the trade.

[Tennessee Gal]

28. HAHA!

Pot meet kettle.

[joshcryer]

11. This is spin. Nothing that GD:P posters couldn't muster, of course.

People have been saying this on GD:P since early this morning when the news came out that Hillary raised money.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[mckeown1128]

40. This coming from the guy who spent...

a solid hour frantically running around DU trying to defend the since locked "Obama radical muslim" thread.

[joshcryer]

50. Can you stop stalking me with your lies? Spin all you want, the MSM will "pick it up."

Don't worry, it will be discussed as if it's a relevant thing at all.

[mckeown1128]

70. I can link to it in case you forgot the MANY posts you made...

defending the racist Obama smear?.... I don't feel like looking it up but I will if you want.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. If I was a Hillary supporter, I would be feeling very used right about now.

[jsamuel]

14. The Obama campaign used it to encourage their people to donate too.

They sent out an email telling their donors to match her 5 Million loan.

[DUyellow]

15. Not out of DECEPTION.

[rinsd]

18. How was it deception for Hillary to ask her donors to match Obama's fundraising?

You mean the bullshit unsourced Hillary staffers to go without pay story by MSM?

[DUyellow]

21. OP "Hillary Campaign bragging about tricking donors."

[jsamuel]

35. they did no such thing

they said that they were happy that the news of the loan caused people to donate. The campaign didn't even release info about the loan (in January). It only got out because they were asked a direct question by a reporter about it. It was not planed and was not a "trick", but it did work out for them in the long run.

[mckeown1128]

25. But Obama didn't mislead his donors...

So it turns out the Clinton campaign may not be so cash-strapped after all — at least not at this very moment.

After offering on Wednesday to go without paychecks to help save precious campaign resources, senior staff members on Hillary Clinton's campaign are in fact not going without pay during the month of February, ABC News has learned.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4257358&page=1

How convenient. I will give 100 cool points to the first Clinton supporter to try spin this as a non-manipulative coincidence that Clinton's staff offered to go without pay on the same day that it was revealed that she "had" to loan herself campaign cash.

[ShadowLiberal]

22. Is there no low that this campaign won't stoop towards?

Seriously, can you see just how easy it's going to be for the republicans to spin this as Hillary being just another calculating politician who we can't trust? I'd imagine they could make an attack go something like this.

"John McCain cares deeply about the poor, but Hillary? She manipulates the poor to take their money by pretending her campaign is bankrupt, then saying there was never a money shortage to begin with after her poor supporters gave her millions of their hard earned cash. We don't need another calculating politician who we can't trust in the White House."

[ProSense]

23. Hillary's Oral Roberts

moment

Smells of Mark "Blackwater" Penn.

[Tennessee Gal]

24. So what. I gave to Hillary yesterday.

I gave more to Hillary today.

I am happy I did.

[Pirate Smile]

38. You like duplicity. Some of us don't which is a big part of why we aren't supporting her in the

first place.

[northzax]

48. hello? anonymous sources?

there was no sourcing for any of the issues except the loan, which was confirmed by the campaign, and was weeks ago.

but I guess the meme is different, so we'll go with that one.

[WilyWondr]

65. what anonymous sources RU talking about?

I dont see anything sourced to anyone other than Terry McAuliffe and named HRC officials that had "given up" their February salaries and you acknowledge the loan being real.

So what part of the OP was sourced to anonymous?

[northzax]

68. the stories about people working for free?

anonymously sourced.

[WilyWondr]

82. anonymous or imaginary?

Because of the flood of donations over the last two days, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s staff members will be receiving their salaries for February after all, campaign officials said.
Some staff members, including Patti Solis Doyle, the campaign manager, had decided earlier to withhold their paychecks voluntarily for February because the coffers had been drained by the expensive Super Tuesday contests and the campaign faces additional advertising expenses for other upcoming contests. Campaign officials confirmed the decision after it was first reported yesterday by The Page.
In addition, Mrs. Clinton confirmed that she had loaned her campaign $5 million of her own money.

The campaign sent out a plea to donors after Super Tuesday for $3 million and said it actually raised $4 million online the next day. The campaign then doubled its goal, seeking $6 million by midnight Friday night.
On a conference call this afternoon about Latino issues, campaign officials were asked if staff members were still foregoing their paychecks.
Maria Echaveste, a senior adviser to the campaign, said, “The campaign is raising money now, we’re not forgoing salaries.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/clinton-campaign-aides-will-be-paid/


Are you saying that Maria Echaveste, a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign, and Patti Solis Doyle, the Clinton campaign manager, are anonymous OR are you saying that they are imaginary people?

[workinclasszero]

26. Yup

Theres a sucker born every minute.

[JVS]

27. What a devious trick!

[onenote]

33. Lend money. Inspire donors to pony up. ENd up with more money.

Exactly what is deceptive here?

[mckeown1128]

36. She wasn't inspiring her supporters....

she was trying to scare them into donating.

[onenote]

43. okay, fine. what was deceptive about that if, indeed, the campaign was strapped for cash?

Are we now saying that the campaign didn't need a bit of "juice"? THen I guess we can delete all those "mismanagement" threads.

How many different ways are people going to spin this.

For heaven's sake, I'm supporting Obama but you'd think that no one here has ever been involved in or even paid the slightest attention to how campaigns are run. I get fundraising appeals from politicians by the bucketload (a not so pleasant side benefit of being willing to contribute to candidates) and guess what --- they all try to convince me that they "need" the money. All of them.

You forward to me a copy of a fundraising appeal that says "I don't need them money but send it to me anyway" and I'll donate the max to that candidate just for chuckles.

[rinsd]

44. Fact of the matter is that without donations, her campaign was in trouble.

She conveyed that to supporters and they responded.

Everything else is a bunch of sour grapes.

[Nimrod2005]

29. These people are sick and wrong

[City Lights]

30. So Hillary is a misleader now. Ring any bells?

:rofl:

[Pirate Smile]

31. Another example of why she should never be our nominee.

Disgusting.

[sniffa]

32. And I'm sure many a rube will defend this

Hopefully, many will finally wake the fuck up.

[onenote]

34. I'll play the rube: explain exactly what the "deception" was.

Please. An Obama voter who is sick of all this shitting on each other would like to know.

[northzax]

55. it's Hillary

she is a devious, manipulative bitch, don't you know that? everything is a power grab, everything is to increase her personal power and wealth. If Hillary tells you a forest fire is coming, you can disconnect the hose because it's obviously a lie, and will continue to be a lie as your house burns.

HDS is becoming as bad on this board as BDS. (er, that's Hillary Derangement Syndrome).

[mckeown1128]

64. Why are you parroting Fox News Republican talking points?

Accusing people of Hillary Derangement Syndrome is like when Billo on fox calls ANY criticism of shrub "Bush Derangement Syndrome."

[northzax]

71. well, hmm, you don't think there's a HDS?

seriously. everyone on this board is perfectly rational about Hillary Clinton? ok.

[onenote]

73. well, that wasn't helpful

[northzax]

78. my point is it doesn't matter

if Hillary was having financial troubles, then her campaign was over. if she wasn't having money problems, her campaign is over. you hear the same thing, over and over.

people HATE hillary Clinton, for whatever odd reason. and they act it out here.

[onenote]

81. got it.

I agree.

An obama supporter who doesn't hate HRC and will support her if she gets the nomination.

[northzax]

100. and I will certainly work for Obama

if it comes to that (which obviously I hope it doesn't) a few of both side's supporters here, alas more of the obama folks, remind me of that old bumper sticker 'jesus, save me from your followers.' of course, neither is Jesus, but you get the idea. I do try to separate the candidate from the most, er, enthusiastic of their followers.

This week those just happen to be obama people, next week they will probably be Hillary people. A few weeks ago, they were also Edwards and Kucinich people everyone has their own personal freak shows, it's great people care and all, but sheesh, can we save this for the freaking republicans?or at the very least cowboy fans?

[bigtree]

54. fuckin arrogant bullshit

when it was the Obama campaign who pressed for the info about the loan, which sparked the claims from the obama supporters and media idiots that she was broke. Did you hear the Clinton campaign EVER say they were BROKE? No. that tripe came from Obama supporters here, not the Clinton camp, who has tried very hard all day to show that their coffers are full again. You're the frickin rube. Makes me feel sorry for Obama to know that this type of politics is being waged on his behalf.

[onenote]

79. not sure if your post is directed at me, but I agree with you

at least insofar as I think that the hillary haters have been totally nuts in their reaction to the loan. As I said, I'm planning on voting for obama in Virginia next week, but I will have no problem supporting HRC in the GE if she gets the nomination. I swear that a lot of people (and it applies to supporters of both candidates) act like they are uttlerly clueless about how campaigns -- and campaign fundraising -- work.

I never saw a thing from HRC that said she was broke. If she counted on the media and the blogosphere jumping to that conclusion and her supporters getting inspired, more power to her. Kudos to her, just as kudos to Obama for playing off of the attention on fundraising to pitch for more donations for his campaign.

Its how the game is played and those professing outrage at it are either naieve or disingenuous.

[guruoo]

42. "All warfare is based...

on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable;
when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near,
we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away,
we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice
the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

[Sir Jeffrey]

51. Good advice...

except when you cannot control the outcome of your battles yourself and instead rely upon others to vote for your victory.

Oh, and when is it ever a good idea to perpetrate deception against both your own soldiers (donors) and fellow generals (Obama)? Perhaps the CLintons are getting ready to go nuclear against Obama and divide the party?

[guruoo]

76. You mean, as in a retaliatory strike, of course.

IMO, BO's camp started this war when it chose to co-opt the RW Hillary hate talking points machine.

BTW: I won't hold these misguided BO supporter's actions against him,
I'll still enthusiastically support him should he win the nomination.

[ursi]

46. one thing people hate is the manipulative chick mystic ...karma sucks

[bigtree]

47. This is a goddamn lie. This is the integrity of Obama's campaign?

He's lucky your deception is restricted to this board and not associated with his official campaign. This is gutter politics. You know well that there is absolutely no proof of what you're claiming. Not in the links you put up, or anywhere else. What a club.

[joshcryer]

52. MSM is picking up this "story," now. Blog posts and insinuations.

And it's funny because last night Obama supporters were dancing on Hillary's grave when they heard she had money troubles. Now she didn't have money troubles at all!

[bigtree]

58. THEY were the ones who first said she was broke

and continued the lie most of the day. When it turned out to be a lie, they fell back to blame Clinton for their own backfiring deception. What a joke. Fools.

[incapsulated]

72. EXACTLY

The media and Obama people were screaming that she was broke.

Now she isn't, IT WAS A TRICK, THAT SCHEMING BITCH.

[rodeodance]

57. Obama has gone negitive last few weeks and the Obamababies follow!!

[Silent3]

53. A little math: Today is Feb 7...

Terry McAuliffe told donors and reporters on a conference call that the campaign has raised $7.5 million online this month, more than $6 million of it in the last 24 hours. The message: She's alive and kicking.

So, this means from the Feb. 6 to Feb. 7, she raised $6M.
From Feb. 1 to Feb. 6 (yes, I'm overlapping the day in the middle on purpose) she raised the rest, which would only be $1.5M.

$1.5M every 5+ days or so would have given her less $9M/month. Not a lot of money with the cost of campaigning these days.

That certainly looks like a situation that would have legitimately led to the need to borrow a bit of money from one's own bank account. Where's the deception?

To me it looks like she really was strapped for cash, and you're counting the very money made in response to her need against the idea she needed it. This is what I call bullshit.

[milkyway]

56. "...and that website again is www.hilaryclinton.com. You were saying, Wolf?"

[bluedog]

60. is this like Michelle Obama email about Bill Clinton

and asking for $50.00 donations?In the past week or two, another candidate's spouse has been getting an awful lot of attention.
We knew getting into this race that Barack would be competing with Senator Clinton and President Clinton at the same time.
We expected that Bill Clinton would tout his record from the nineties and talk about Hillary's role in his past success. That's a fair approach and a challenge we are prepared to face.
What we didn't expect, at least not from our fellow Democrats, are the win-at-all-costs tactics we've seen recently. We didn't expect misleading accusations that willfully distort Barack's record.
Barack Obama isn't relying on a former President of the United States to campaign for him.
He's relying on us -- you, me, and hundreds of thousands of people like us who are giving whatever they can afford to support this movement.
Please stand up in the face of these new attacks. Make your first online donation of $50 today and own a piece of this campaign:
https://donate.barackobama.com/reIiesonyou


Barack's unwavering opposition to the war in Iraq, his outspoken support of women's rights, and his call for leadership that will transform our party and our country have all been mischaracterized in the past two weeks.
We've seen disingenuous attacks and smear tactics turn people off from the political process for too long, and enough is enough.
It's time for a change. It's time for a new kind of leadership and a new kind of politics in our party and in our country.
And while Senator Clinton has a former president in her corner, I'll put my faith in a movement of a whole lot of people who are ready for change.
South Carolina votes in 48 hours, and more than 20 states will make their voices heard in less than two weeks on February 5th. Now is the time for all of us to step up and take personal responsibility for making change happen.
Please make your first online donation of $50 now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/reIiesonyou
Thank you,
Michelle

[Laurab]

103. No, it's not. Hillary's was deceptive.

They all send emails asking for money - they don't make it look like they've run out of money so people donate. Poor staffers, working for free.....I'm no longer surprised at how low the Clinton's will go.

[elixir]

61. Once again, Politico is to source as Baroque is to debates.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

62. yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

[Emillereid]

67. How underhanded! And you want me to VOTE for her? She's losing what little

respect I had for her.

[butterfly77]

69. They will dig up anything ...

and twist the story because they hate Hillary and they want the repugs to win. Now when will they start asking Obama the hard questions?

[debatepro]

74. Begging for supporters to visit her website...

wasn't working so they had to trick people into giving them money... through simpathy... you know like some other tactics designed to garner simpathy... that will really work against republicans...

[Auntie Bush]

80. Stop the spinning...You're going to fall on your face.

The campaign workers are now going to get paid since she took in 7 Million.
Stop the lies!

[Perry Logan]

84. Logan's Law: All anti-Hillary threads are bullshit.

[MethuenProgressive]

118. Holds true for this intentionally false thread

...

[Arugula Latte]

86. Typical Clintonian stuff, eh?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

89. The P.T. Barnum school of fundraising.

Suckers.

[GoldieAZ49]

97. NYT has it online as the donations paying wages, not for campaigning...yet

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/clinton-c... /

Updated Terry McAuliffe, the national chairman for the Clinton campaign, is reporting right now on a conference call with the campaign’s finance committee that the campaign has raised $7.5 million online in the first week February, with about $6.4 million of that in the last 24 or 30 hours.

The Clinton campaign is in an arms race for money with Senator Barack Obama, who has raised $7.6 million since Tuesday and is expecting an additional $320,000 so far from MoveOn.org.

Because of the flood of donations over the last two days, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s staff members will be receiving their salaries for February after all, campaign officials said.

[Yael]

102. I feel like vomiting.

With Edwards out, I wasn't going to spend any time working for any campaigns other than some light weight local stuff.

I am now boots on the ground to make sure that this conniving, manipulative, win-at-any-cost woman gets no where NEAR the White House.

[mckeown1128]

104. kick.....nt

[ecstatic]

105. McAuliffe is FOOLISH to have revealed this

What an idiot! I used to like him.

[angie_love]

106. This woman is a disgrace

[TexasObserver]

108. I swear they're like a family of Grifters

[sundancekid]

121. now THAT'S a keeper of a line! kudos to ya ...

[AZBlue]

109. Geez. Does that woman ever open her mouth without another lie falling out?!

[LVjinx]

113. Interestingly,

the parts that are actually quoted in no way support the parts that aren't quoted. I'm disappointed in the gullibility of people on this thread. For the illiterate among us, the *writer* of this piece said it was a tactic, not any of the people quoted. Is Hillary having to loan her campaign $5mill in dispute? Is there any indication at all it didn't actually happen? The same people who were gloating that her campaign was almost broke are the people saying that she lied about being almost broke, even though she clearly was almost broke? I'm going to need a pen, a long sheet of paper, and a few hours to figure out a lot of the thinking going on here, if there is indeed any thinking going on at all.

[LVjinx]

114. Newsflash!

After receiving $7million in donations, the Hillary campaign now has $7million!! But how can this be? It makes no sense! After receiving donations, they now have money?!?! I share other posters confusion on this highly complicated scenario. That means, after time travelling and reality alteration is taken into account, they were, apparently, actually *lying* about not having the $7million before they received the $7million. Although that money was received in the last 24 hours, news released prior to that is now retroactively negated by the timewarp that has allowed, according to this article, Hillary Clinton to have the $7million on hand before she received it.

[HamdenRice]

116. Hillary is a disgraceful lying grifter nt

[MethuenProgressive]

117. The OP's False Headline is a Fairy Tale

The False Headline: Hillary Campaign bragging about tricking donors.
"Proved" by this quote: "They said, 'I didn’t know you needed money, I thought you had all the money you need,'" McAuliffe said.
The OP links to a blog with this Headline: Clinton claims a money surge, plans ads
----
And the ObamaBots rec away, confirming they -like their candidate- delight in falsehoods.
I :puke: on the OP

[flpoljunkie]

119. We wouldn't want Mark Penn, CEO of Burson-Marsteller, to go without his millions, now would we?

http://www.burson-marsteller.com/default.aspx

[creeksneakers2]

120. I don't see anything in the OP about tricks

I especially don't see Hillary bragging about tricking donors. This headline doesn't fit with the facts at all.