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DougieZero Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:56 PM
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David Schuster is on our side.
David Schuster is one of my favorite reporters. He used to work for Fox News and was basically let go because he wouldn’t toe the line when it came to their coverage of Clinton-Lewinsky. I’ve e-mailed him in the past and we have talked about how crazy Laura Ingram is.

He is on OUR side. His comment is being used by the Clintons in a political way (my opinion only). This is fake outrage… what Bill Maher has talked about. To highlight a story of the daughter being attacked… politically it can be an advantage.

I’m 26 years old… he used the word “pimping out” in a hip contemporary way. He was hosting the Tucker Carlson show, which is an opinion show, He never meant something sexual, that wouldn’t even make sense. He was saying she was being used… calling the hosts of the View (big ratings for women!) and apparently super delegates asking them for a vote. Sean Hannity calls John Kerry a terrorist every night…. Shuster didn’t say anything like that.

He is also an alum of UofM…. Go blue.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:58 PM
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1. I agree. He has apologized, and we should move on.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 07:59 PM
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2. I like Schuster and hate to see this happening to him.
He just made a bad mistake.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:00 PM
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3. No!
He made a mistake. He must never be forgiven. Despite the fact that he's defended the Clintons and Dems at every turn. That bastard is not perfect. Camp Clinton must NOT be understanding... unless its re: a president that lies, straight faced, to an entire country.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:00 PM
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4. Most of us know that. But the story will be used ad nauseum, here on the eve of yet
another round of primaries and into the "debates". Most of us also know Shuster is a good guy who meant nothing by it. I hope he knows that he has SOME support and all of us aren't buying into the Clinton Machines latest pity ploy.

He apologized. 3 times. He didn't mean anything by it. Hopefully people will move on.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:02 PM
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5. LOL! It depends on your definition of "our."

He didn't, in that "hip, contemporary way," say that "Barack Obama is pimping out his wife. "

:crazy:
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:02 PM
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6. It's true. "Pimping out" is a common phrase nowadays.
It just means selling something, or promoting something. Many times I've talked about selling my bands CDs by saying, "Well, time to set up the merch table and pimp our gear".

There's a show called "Pimp My Ride". "Pimp" has been removed of sexual connotations for many of us.

I'm so sick of the Clinton fake outrage, and playing the victims, I will be furious if they win the nomination--and I like her policies. Hate the campaign. Hate it. Mark Penn can go to hell.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:14 PM
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17. But if he'd been using it in reference to Obama you'd be calling him racist correct?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:03 PM
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7. right on all counts, Dougie
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 08:03 PM by TexasObserver
he used the word “pimping out” in a hip contemporary way

but you can understand why some people got their Depends in a bunch over it, can't you?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:03 PM
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8. He Fucked Up. He Apologized. That's Good Enough For Me.
Overall, He's a good guy.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:04 PM
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9. Maybe so - but it was a classless comment
So whatever. There are other good reporters out there. Fuck 'em.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:06 PM
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10. You are 26. I am in my late 60s and a woman. We see this very differently.
The language Shuster used was selective. Why has this so-called non-sexist use of the word "pimping" NOT been used against Mitt Romney's 5 sons? Can you explain that away?

BTW, anyone who would do that to any of my kids or grandkids would have the fight of their life on their hands from me.
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wnslnadu21 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:03 PM
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33. You would think that people in the late 60's would know that people make mistakes.
But go for the throat of a man who actually has defended the dems in every way.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:06 PM
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11. I like David.
He made a mistake. It was an error in judgement. No matter who he supports for president, or who he finds offensive, he should have used more care. When you make a mistake like that, you leave yourself open.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:06 PM
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12. Schuster is a good guy -
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:07 PM
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13. I really like David. I think he made a mistake by using that
language. To me someone being pimped out is a ho. To my neighbor it may mean something different. He should have known better. He needs to accept his responsibility and punishment like a man. I hope he holds him self accountable, unlike Tweety who made sure the MSNBC+Mika boys club, rallied round him and fought his war for him.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:09 PM
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14. go to Mediamatters.org for explanation of why it was NOT "fake outrage"
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 08:19 PM by spooky3
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802080011?f=h_latest

Jamison Foser wrote an excellent piece that described the broader problem at MSNBC (which is why this should not be dismissed), and included the following with respect to one of your points:

"Finally, Shuster got to the real issue: "ast night, I used a phrase -- some slang about her efforts. I didn't think that people would take it literally, but some people have."

That's just ridiculous. Nobody took Shuster's statement that Chelsea Clinton is "being pimped out" literally. Nobody. People were bothered that he analogized her to a prostitute, not that they thought he was actually saying she has sex in exchange for money. Shuster's "I didn't think that people would take it literally" excuse is like calling someone a b*tch, then saying, "Hey, I didn't think people would think I was saying she is literally a dog." It completely misses the point."

I agree with Foser and others that if progressives say sexist things, they deserve to be called on it. Doing some good deeds does not give you a pass on bad deeds.

The failure to hold Hannity or Tweety or anyone else accountable for bad behavior in no way justifies letting someone else slide.

Only his most recent statement constituted an apology--as opposed to his earlier, faux "if you were offended, sorry", along with a false statement about what he had actually said previously. As far as I am concerned, his most recent statement is a good enough apology for me. I respect anyone else's judging it for themselves. Obviously it is Chelsea Clinton's opinion and that of the Clinton family, and not my opinion, that matters.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802080010?f=h_latest
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:09 PM
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15. I'm far more concerned about the press continuiing to prostrate itself in the face of pressure from
the politically powerful, than I am about this comment
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:13 PM
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16. We all love Chelsea but in this instance
where she's being used to call TV personalities asking them to vote
for her mother, its not a stretch to call it pimping in todays vernacular.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:23 PM
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21. Well, I really doubt whether you mean "we all love Chelsea"
Please. If you really had a "point" about political families "pimping" their kids you might have said something about Romney's 5 sons. But you didn't. That tells me something.

I don't believe you.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:32 PM
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24. If Romney's kids were calling everyone on "The View"
you don't think we'd be having a field day with that?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:38 PM
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25. Oh, do you know everyone who his sons called?
Is "The View" your selective outrage of the year? REally? Why?

Selective outrage, you can own that...
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:59 PM
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29. Take a pill
why the hell are you arguing with me?
I think its odd when candidates have their offspring calling celebrities...I think Schuster thought it a little weird also.
If Edwards or Obama had done it, it would have been just as odd.
Not outraged in the least, sorry.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:17 PM
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18. David Schuster is old enough and has been on
TV long enough to know better.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:17 PM
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19. Keith Olbermann just apologized on Countdown on behalf of DS
while also praising DS for the work he does that is very good. Keith said DS's comment about CC was terribly inappropriate and indefensible (and more).

I thought he handled it perfectly.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:19 PM
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20. you don't let something slide if it is wrong just because the
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 08:19 PM by jonnyblitz
offender is "on our side". it's amazing how so many people don't see how lame that reasoning is. I say this as somebody who doesn't necessarily think he should have been suspended. I am just saying that he shouldn't be excused just because he is on our side. it doesn't make it right.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:25 PM
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22. he apologized. we can move on now.
I think it was a dumb thing to say. Suspend him for a week. That's good enough for me. Any more noise about this is the Clinton camp trying to make hay from it. They shouldn't.

And I'll agree with the Go Blue, but I prefer Wayne State. Go Tartars!
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:26 PM
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23. I watched his "apology" on youtube. It was typical of media and politicians who say
"I'm sorry that some may have taken my comments the wrong way...or I misspoke"..etc. The damage has been done and apologies in politics doesn't work for me. BTW I am not a Clinton supporter in the primaries.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:40 PM
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26. You are disgusting. You freakin' know his comments were out of bounds and wholelly inappropriate.
Do you really hate the Clintons so much that you are willing to support what Shuster said?

What a freakin pig.
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DougieZero Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:46 PM
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28. I support what he said
I don't hate the Clintons.

It's a generation gap with slang... He was hosting an opinion show and he used some slang. He wasn't trying to shock...

Listen, there is a show on MTV called "Pimp my Ride". Us young people "pimp our clothes". We "pimp" ourselves to get good grades. The times are a'changin.... you older people better step aside.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:40 PM
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27. He was wrong, he should have apologized
He never would have said the same thing about Bush's kids and we need to make the news media stop with the double standards for Dem vs GOP.

Now, I suppose there are some very rare Dems who enjoy seeing their candidates get treated poorly by the news media while handling the GOP candidates with kid gloves, but I don't think there are many.
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wnslnadu21 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:59 PM
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30. he did, twice
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:01 PM
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31. I disagree. I thought he was on our side, but he has been on Morning Joe
for the past couple of months jumping on the attack Clinton bandwagon. He saw the mindset of the network, he saw that it was all out war against Clinton by Tweety and Joe and the news staff. HIs statement was no different than any other morning joe show.

He has lost credibility as a serious news reporter--showing his ability to be biased with peer pressure.

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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:03 PM
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32. That means he's on our side. Clinton is republican lite
So is Obama. Obama is just lighter than her.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:05 PM
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34. He is not on "our side" the news is propaganda.
The fact that you are willing to tolerate lies and distortions as long as it helps your candidate is short sighted and frankly undemocratic. A free press is essential to our country's form of government.

The propaganda against Clinton should not be acceptable to you.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:10 PM
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35. I like him and I hope this blows over
I have no idea what his political leanings are but he does a very balanced job IMO

He used a bad choice of words that I don't believe he meant in a literal sense.

IMO he's a good reporter and I hope to see him back soon!
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