I'm so discouraged by the bad press...

[busymom]

and all of the negativity and nastiness towards Hillary Clinton...

I've decided to not vote if Obama is the candidate. Say what you will, but...I can't vote for Obama.

I know it's extreme...but I can't let the media tell me who to vote for. I have listened to the vile vitriol here at DU about Hillary and the obama hysteria....and I've heard it on the mainstream media as well. Every single news show that I hear is full of fabulous press for Obama and shit press for Clinton. This is not a fair fight. This same media, btw, will drop Obama like a hot potato if he becomes the nominee. Dick Morris is the biggest piece of vomit I've ever had the displeasure to watch...but then I come here and read post after post about what a piece of shit Clinton is. I'm sick of it.

I started this thing out wanting Hillary to win, but....being equally as interested in Obama. I felt like I could vote for either of them and that I would be proud of a winning democratic ticket.

I'm...not anymore.

I can not vote for Obama. I don't want any part of group think...of the obamanation...I want a fair contest, and I was willing to give Obama a chance. He has proven to me that he is more about style than substance...and I don't like him anymore. When I listen to him talk...he just sounds like a preacher trying to sway his flock of sheep...if I talk to an obama supporter I don't get anything about his policies...they just say "read his website". I don't think they even know what he stands for.

x(

[Proud2BAmurkin]

1. I decided the same thing but for different reasons. But an added bonus would be

not voting for the candidate picked by the MSM if Obama is nominated.

[busymom]

4. I feel lousy about it.

I have always told people to vote or shut up...you can't complain if you aren't a part of the process. I would have accepted obama as the candidate even a month ago...but that has changed...for many reasons. I feel really discouragd.

And...what the hell is up with Colmes? Can he get a fucking backbone? Does he have to parrot the "things aren't looking good for Hillary' shit. And why hte hell am I watching Faux news?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

25. The way I look at it, Obama hasn't given any indication he wouldn't capitulate to Republicans

[joshcryer]

82. You refuse to vote for Obama?

[madeline_con]

2. "the obamanation" What a crock! n/t

[Mz Pip]

3. I think you

may have mentioned this already. :eyes:

Old news.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[busymom]

5. I think.

you should see my previous posts where I talk about campaigning for and supporting either obama or clinton.

[Mz Pip]

30. Like this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4490859

:rofl:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[dchill]

37. Good one!

I think busymom is not too busy to join DU for the distinct purpose of slamming Obama.

[busymom]

40. Sarcasm much?

I responded in SARCASM to the posts about whether or not hillary could lose etc.

sarcasm...

[busymom]

39. You missed the sarcasm?????

I logged on and there were 20 posts all parroting Hillary Clinton sux...Can Hillary Clinton Lose...Hillary voted for no child left behind..

blah, blah, blah..

And I threw those back to show how ridiculous they were...note that I added the SARCASM icon. I was being SARCASTIC.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. Abstaining benefits no one. If I can vote for him, you can.

I get a bad vibe from him... he strikes me as a megalomaniac and something of a con-man.

But I'll still vote for him in November if it comes to that.

The courts are too important. (And I am sure he would make adequate judicial nominations.)

[ruggerson]

19. Judges are my only reason too

God help me, I try not to like him less every day, but it's difficult.

[emilyg]

36. You're not the only one who feels this.

[Andromeda]

62. Count me in too.

Obama is a Machiavellian character. I have a pretty good bullshit detector and I never liked him from the start.

He's not what he appears to be and people who voted for him will be sorely disappointed.

That's my prediction, for what it's worth.

[angie_love]

52. I want to know why you people Hate him so?

Please tell me. I would really love to know.

[angie_love]

54. You too, tell me why you tihnk hes a con-man

Do you honestly think hes a con man? I want to know why. specifics please.

[nonconformist]

7. At this point, I have to keep stopping myself...

and thinking "fuck me, I might have to end up voting for this guy".

It's a hard pill.

What I do know is that my unquestionable vote in November is no longer a guarantee, as it's been my entire life. I never thought I would say that.

[busymom]

11. It's terrible

I have never not voted..and I have never voted for a republican....ever.

It IS a hard pill. I am very active in the political process...but I've never seen anything this unusual.

I don't think this whole youbama, obamanation etc stuff is healthy....it's strange. We don't vote for political candidates because of things like this, do we....will Obama be the next Bush? It freaks me out!

[1awake]

8. I'm truly sorry you feel

this way. I mean this with all sincerity because if Obama does get the nom, we will be in a fight for so much, a fight where we would need you, and those like you who decided for whatever reason to step away. Good luck. :)

And yes, I will support Hillary if she wins the nom to the bitter end.

[busymom]

16. Then I need Obama people

To start reaching out to me in a sincere way.

I know that this sounds ridiculous. yes, I'm a grown up...but it will be very difficult for me to join hands with those who are trying to bring down my candidate on a personal level.

I logged in tonight excited to catch up and found post after post about how Hillary sucks...one after the next after the next.

It gets old.

[Egnever]

28. similar story to yours

except I see post after post about how obama is a cult leader blah blah blah. the first response you had in this thread is from a person that spews more vile shit day after day at Obama. The vitriol is spewing from both sides. Hopefully this thing ends soon cause we are gonna need some time to mend some fences.

Just sayin

[busymom]

43. Actually, I can understand how you feel.

I think there HAVE been too many cult threads...it's over the top!

[Egnever]

51. There's too much BS period

from the Obama side and the Clinton side. If you pay attention though the vast majority of the offensive threads from either side are from a very small group of people. Again the person that responded to this post first spews crap all day like a new thread every ten minutes. Sometimes I get drawn in by his crap and I respond in kind. Its lame but sometimes it just pisses you off. I think you were likely feeling the same way when you posted this OP.

You seem like a reasonable person though. Try to take the funnies here with a grain of salt. There are fervent supporters here for both sides and I would be really surprised if there weren't paid staffers on both sides trying to start the thing that sticks and brings the opponent down.

Still there are gems of info here as well. You just have to wade through a lot of shit to get to them at the moment.

Anyway... :toast:

[1awake]

33. I agree,

Same thing happens to me concerning Obama, and yes it depresses me to no end. Then I start to see a pattern of "who" is posting the vast majority of them and it turns out to be like the same 6 or 7 people. I want Obama to win yes, but I would support Hillary no matter what should she win the nom. Not because any democrat is better then a repub (though at this point, that might be true), but because Hillary has MANY qualities that will serve her, and us. If nothing else, I can say with all honesty, I do not see Hillary EVER bending her will.. or being intimidated by the RW. There may be things about her I dislike, but her tenacity is not one of them.

Remember.. just because some of us are for Obama, does not translate into us being against Hillary, or her supporters. And for those on both sides smearing.. think of them as people who have no lives living in their parents basements being alittle bit to self-absorbed to see things clearly.. it's a question of pity.

[loveangelc]

42. did you miss the post after post about why obama sucks and his members are cultish..?

[busymom]

44. I logged in when it was

Hillary voted for this
Can Hillary Clinton Lose
Everyone Hillary knows is connected with Rove


But..I have since read the cult threads.

Inexcusable too.

[angie_love]

55. Ok so admit it, its not that you dislike Obama, its that

you don't like "some" of his supporters. Yes some of Hillary supporters piss me off to no end, calling us cultists and other evil right wing things, but I'll probably support her if shes the nominee. And I hope you're an individual who thinks for herself and not let what others think influence you. The only people who should influence you are teh candidates and what they stand for NOT THEIR SUPPORTERS. Their supporters ARE NOT THEM.

[Adelante]

78. Reaching out to you in a sincere way

Don't vote for anybody you don't want to vote for.

[Yossariant]

9. Try not to be discouraged, busymom. You are a great advocate for Hillary.

The bad news is that the primaries coming up immediately are not playing to her strengths.

The good news is that Obama cannot win the nomination, at this point, because all of our primaries are proportional and he can't win enough delegates.

I and everyone I know will be voting for her on Tuesday. :)

The better news is that, after February, when we get to Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas, it looks much better for Hillary.

And, if you feel bad and discouraged by the MSM, think how she must feel, yet still she pushes forward.

Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary:

You may write me down in history

With your bitter, twisted lies,

You may tread me in the very dirt

But still, like dust, I'll rise.

[lligrd]

10. Then You Can Blame Only Yourself If The Repugs Win Again

I certainly won't expect to here you bitching here about it. As much as I feel personally betrayed by Clinton, I will support her if she wins the nomination.

[tyne]

15. So sad.

Maybe some people need to start their own party. The Democratic party needs strong people.

[lligrd]

23. I Felt Awful After Dean Lost But I Still Voted For And Supported

Kerry. The worst part is that I can't get one substantive reason for you guys disliking Obama. I have shared my valid reasons for not supporting Hillary but all I get from your side is "it seems like a cult, he gives me bad vibes, i want a woman, I don't like the way he looks." Good friggen grief, grow up.

[busymom]

18. Can I ask you something?

Why do you feel...personally betrayed.

And I promise that I won't complain here....if I'm not participating in the process, I won't post about it....I have always told people that they have no right to complain if they don't vote....I have also never not voted.

[lligrd]

34. Because I Had Always Believed In And Supporter Her

I like Hillary more than Bill but her votes for the IWR and to end my rights to privacy are unforgivable to me. I trusted her and she let me down. And I too looked forward to voting for the first woman President. The same goes for Pelosi and a lot of other Democrats. AI am royally pissed about it. But if, God forbid, she wins the nomination, I will vote and support her.

[robbedvoter]

12. Not deciding beyond primaries yet. Still , agree re: media - they are manipulating

our primaries again - and I am angry as hell.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. If you want people to buy into your outrage....

you should refrain from using quite so many talking points from the Clinton campaign.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. I hear ya. My husband ia a firm ABO after this primary season.

[BootinUp]

17. Keep your chin up.

THis ain't over yet.

If it should happen that she doesn't get it, with time to get over the disappointment the vast majority of supporters will do the right thing. We can't help it.

[LulaMay]

20. Wow...me too. I just told my husband that. Oh, these Dem men better wake up.

A lot of women feel dumped on and taken for granted for too long.

I don't appreciate that it is women who have been a huge part of the reason for the immense turnout and excitement.

Where do they think that will go if our hopes and dreams are crushed again?

I realized I may very well feel too slammed again, too depressed to whip up enough energy or desire to go back into the voting booth.

It would only remind me how excited I felt voting for her.

[tyne]

21. People

who would refuse to vote for Obama because Hillary gets bad press don't belong in this party.

[busymom]

22. If Obama got the same bad press

and Hillary got a veritable free pass, would you be singing the same song?

[lligrd]

26. BS, He Has And We Haven't

What the heck is wrong with you guys? Do you think if you cry we will all suddenly come over to Hillary?

[busymom]

46. That's not fair

and you know it.

[lligrd]

50. Why Do You Think Hillary Has Gotten More Unfair Press Than

Obama? I think both sides and the MSM have been terrible to both. I don't think you are being objective though I sense you are truly hurt.

[robbedvoter]

77. Maybe because studies show he got 84% good press since NH, 47% net positive before that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4406175&mesg_id=4406175
Non-partisan group finds huge media bias against Senator Clinton.
From Dec 16 through Jan 27 five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84%) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51%) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4406175&mesg_id=4406525

[robbedvoter]

76. And here comes the sexism - on DU. media and everywhere....

[tyne]

29. You'll have to

explain how this is Obama's fault.

[LulaMay]

49. "Refuse" to vote for him? Ordering us about isn't going to help. Don't tell me wh.

[Egnever]

31. So you are voting for Hillary because she is a woman?

Just askin.

[LulaMay]

53. It means a lot. I want equal representation. I wouldn't vote for Condi Rice...

but for a candidate I like, agree with and she is a woman? OF COURSE. I want equal representation!

How can we have equality without equal representation?

[Egnever]

60. What do you agree with if you dont mind my asking?

[loveangelc]

47. I really don't understand something.

please help me understand. I am a female and do not feel at all like my hopes and dreams will be gone if hillary doesnt win, infact i hope that she doesn't. i think obama will be a great president and women should not be voting for hillary because she is a woman. i guess you could say im young and havent experienced sexism, but i have. sexism in the younger generation is probably more accepted than to older people. at the same time i dont feel as if hillary represents me as a woman. im a free woman who can make her own decisions about who she can support, and honestly i feel as if many women sometimes get upset at other owmen for not supporting hillary jsut because she's a woman.

[LulaMay]

58. I didn't only vote 4 her because she's a woman. I also voted 4 her because shes brilliant...

and I believe she will bring the most change. I believe she cares about people. She has tried to get us health care for a long time, and will do it. Obamas paln is not universal. He is not liberal to me, he is moderate.

My hopes and dreams involve seeing women elevated to have equality...so yeah, I will feel very crushed down if men take it away from us.

They've been beating her up every day in the media, and promoting him.

I think she'd be the candidate now if not for that.

But women in numbers never seen before keep turning out to vote for her. I fear that will dissipate if many feel crushed and stomped down again.

My sons who are young men voted for her. So did my sons girlfriend, who I saw cry when she won CA. Being young doesn't mean you just go with the young candidate.

[lligrd]

61. I Think The Younger Generation For The Most Part Is A Lot

more blind to stereotypes and a lot more tolerant of individualism than previous generations. At lest, that is my experience. They have grown up with people of all races, sexes and sexual identity working together and don't seem to see what all the hoopla is about. That gives me some hope for the future.

You have to remember that the some of the older generation were the ones that worked so hard to ensure that the above took place and still feel like they haven't seen the fruits of it. It is a shame, that for some, it is coming down to a race between gender or race.

[smoogatz]

24. Because the thing that matters most

is that the candidates and all of their supporters live up to your personal expectations in every way. The good news is that by casting no vote, you'll at least be voting your conscience.

[Mojorabbit]

27. I'm sorry you feel that way

I don't care for either of them but...repeat after me
Supreme court
It IS that important.

[ProSense]

32. This is more discouraging than the media,

Hillary's lying shill:

Taylor Marsh's despicable dishonesty in smearing Obama

Lying Clinton hack, Taylor Marsh, exposed by Las Vegas Sun

Taylor Marsh's own words contradict her current swiftboating lies

Taylor Marsh smears Obama, praises McCain's character
(Bill Clinton: John McCain and Hillary are 'very close')

Hillary sourced Taylor Marsh for initial fund-raising claim

[Webster Green]

35. Brilliant!....Morons throw poo at each other, and now you won't vote..

Funny thing is.....you sling as much shit as anyone here.

I can't stand Hillary....she's as phony as a four-dollar bill....but I will vote for her if she is the dem nominee.

Take your "obamanation" bullshit and shove it!:smoke:

[Skwmom]

38. Group think is what the Clinton campaign and the MSM push.

The MSM has been the Clintons good buddy. They always help her get the sympathy vote, fund raise, show her debate attacks against Obama non-stop without giving his rebuttals, etc. The media is biased all right - for Clinton. CNN even showed Clinton after the health care crisis show slamming Obama!

There are some journalists who do not like the Clintons but at the end of the day, they like their paychecks more.

If your so into FAIR CONTESTS, I'm sure you must have been outraged at all of the dirty tricks pulled by the Clinton campaign.

I do know what your candidate stands for, voting for the Iraq War to further her career, shipping jobs overseas to further her big money backing, etc.

[thevoiceofreason]

41. Read

Don't focus on campaign speaches. You will like his positions. They are vry similar to hers (heck he borrowed some from her and she borrowed some from him).

[amisaid1]

45. I will support whoever has the "D" next to their name in the general election

Both Clinton and Obama are more progressive than John McCain. I still have nightmares of all of the people saying that they wouldn't vote for Gore in the 2000 election and instead voted for Nader. I would venture that most of them regret that choice today.

Personally for me the supreme and federal court nominees are the major domestic issue over the next several years. I trust both Obama and Clinton more than I do John McCain in appointing those judges.

It is a personal issue, I understand. However, I will always vote for the party over the person in the general election. The primaries are our chance to pick the person we like. But when it comes to the general election I feel my responsibility is to vote for the party.

Just my two cents.

Thanks for reading,
J

[Auntie Bush]

48. Great post and I respect your opinion.

However, I feel just like you, but will hold my nose and vote for Obama if I must. I'd have to hope and pray he's better than McCain. However the main reason I'd end up voting for him is the Supreme court that will effect all our lives and our children's lives for many years to come.

I certainly understand your feelings and feel the same way except for the vote part.

[calico1]

73. I feel the same way.

Did you ever have a boyfriend (or girlfriend) that when you first met them you thought he was just so dreamy, so perfect in every way? Then you moved in with him (or dated for a while) and after seeing that he didn't pick up after himself, had some really annoying habits, had friends and hobbies that just really turned you off, etc. your realized this just isn't what you thought it was going to be? What was I thinking?

I have the feeling this is the same kind of feeling a lot of Obama supporters will have if he gets elected. I find it troubling that so manh of his supporters absolutely do not accept that he is anything but perfect. Even if he turned out to be a good president it will be impossible for him to live up to the expectations that many of his fans have of him.

I support Hillary but I do not think she is perfect and flawless not do I cry or swoon over her. I am a pragmatic, practical minded person and I think she is too. I think she is tough and will do a good job.

As for Nov. I will also hold my nose and vote for Obama if I must. As much as I am not impressed by him at all, I do not see him picking extreme right wing Supreme Court justices.

To the OP--you say you have never voted before. I have and sometimes without all that much enthusiasm.

Some food for thought: When Justice Stevens was named to the court I was 17. I will be 50 next month. The justice appointments can last and affect your life for decades, while a bad president can last only 4 years.

I am not enthusiastic at all about Obama and I just don't get his support. But I realize he has a good chance of winning. Try not to pay attention to the Hillary bashers. I have put the worst offenders on ignore and suggest you do too. This will help a lot.

Please do not skip the election. Anytime you feel discouraged about the possibility of having Obama as President, do as I do: Just keep saying to yourself "Supreme Court, Supreme Court..."

[kid a]

56. honestly - you have been spending way too much time on DU and watching cable TV!

Get out!
Read more!
Volunteer for something! Find your candidate and knock on doors! (I do it for Obama and i know exactly what he stands for!)

Stop adding to the nastiness of the web and fight for something you DO stand for!!!

[Political Heretic]

57. Well I'm sick of all anti-obama crap I put up with, and I'll still vote for Hillary

if she is the nominee.

I have very little respect for people who are threatening to refuse to vote purely over sour grapes.

:(

[dkf]

59. I was listening to talk radio today...they are starting to go OFF on Hillary.

This is only the beginning of the bad press.

I say you need to buck up because you ain't seen nothing yet.

They've still got all the old history to go through and I'm sure there is new stuff including how the Clinton's amassed $30 million with another $20 million to go... In addition, just wait for possible extracurricular activities from Bill.

Its going to be baaaad.

[BigBearJohn]

63. I know how you feel, BusyMom. So much hate everywhere you look.

I'm going to caucus tomorrow for Hillary.
However, if Obama wins, I will try and be
hopeful for the middle class and vote for
him in the GE.

I really fear that the republicans are going
to do it us again. Money rules. I fear
they are going to use every dirty trick in
the book to keep the White House.

Still, I will make the attempt one more time.
I will vote for the Democratic nominee --
whoever it turns out to be.

[eridani]

64. It wasn't all that long ago that the media was telling us that Clinton was "inevitable" n/t

[my3boyz]

65. Well we are even

I will not vote for Hillary. She thinks the presidency is owed to her. Most of her supporters on DU are absolutely vile. They talk about us drinking the Kool-Aid. They post disgusting things (lies) about Barack and expect us to vote for her in the end! NOT!

[leftynyc]

66. Please reconsider

there are so many things that need fixing and only a democrat can do it. Don't let assholes here change that for you. Way too much is at stake.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

67. I am with you

[cali]

68. Anyone who won't vote for the dem nominee

is taking the whole process toe personally. I do understand how you feel. The vitriol here toward my candidate has made me feel the same way at times, but no way will I not vote for the dem candidate- and I don't much like Hillary, Bill, the Clinton machine, or many Hill posters here. It's pathetic to be so weak minded that you won't vote for the dem candidate. You are a lousy dem and not a very good citizen if you choose to sit it out.

Lastly, LOTS of Obama supporters talk about his policies, dear. In the past couple of days much has been posted right here about his farm policy, his plan for rebuilding NOLA and more.

[hill08]

69. I believe

in Americans. They can be hypnotized by shiny objects for a while but eventually they wake up and do the right thing. Hillary will win the nomination. And then the GE.

[rucky]

70. Why are you telling us this? n/t

[awaysidetraveler]

71. I have substantive reasons for not voting for HRC, if she wins the Dem nomination. Do you?

It sounds to me like you just don't like Obama's style.

I could change my mind and vote for HRC, if HRC would change her position on the Iraq War.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4482617&mesg_id=4482617

You don't seem to have any substantive reasons. I have read HRC's website. Have you read Obama's?

The media is an ugly machine, but a vote should be given or not given based on issues of substance.

[Perry Logan]

72. Who would have thought that constantly lying about Hillary could backfire?

[Iceburg]

74. Group think ... how we came to our senses

My wife and I and our son started out with our eyes on Obama...
Then we started listening. For my wife, the "hope" changed to anger with non-stop cruel and ugly remarks toward Hillary. We argued night and day about what it all means. My son and I didn't understand her point of view, we though she was being overly sensitive. In the end we agreed not to talk about our choices. When the Donnie Mcclurkin incident surfaced my son broke his vow of silence. I listened to his concerns but admittedly didn't fully understand initially what the hoopola was about. Thankfully he pressed on until I did.

Obama's decision to hire and tour around with a ex-gay revival-style preacher who claims to be able to cure the gays -- "deliver them from homosexuality" deeply offended all our sensibilities, especially my son's, my beloved gay son.

What message was Obama hoping to send out with McClurkin? We don't know with certainty, but this is how my family received it:
Don't hate the gays -- embrace your sick brother -- we have the cure!
My son said to me "imagine a politician speaking out during the heat of the black civil rights movement and offering to de-colorize your skin."

I understood. I love my son with all my being. I love him just the way he is.

I felt ashamed for ignoring my wife's warnings, I am ashamed for not initially seeing my son's point of view.

We can not/will not vote for Obama in the GE ... there is no hope, and the only change being offered by Obama is in the wrong direction. We will support Hillary, she's neither showy nor shiny like a new penny but we do trust her.

[NoBorders]

75. You're hyper-partisan posts

only contribute to the anger and resentment people on this board feel towards the other candidate. It breeds on itself.

Your constant insults about Obama and his supporters only lead us to conclude the same thing about Hillary - to not support her if she's teh nominee. So, you reap what you sow.

[Stand and Fight]

79. You're not alone in your feelings or the sincerity of your sentiments. n/t

[Unsane]

80. The fact that you're taking Hillary's negative press out on Obama is stupid.

Because Hillary gets bad press you won't vote for Obama? Sounds like sour grapes.

[Exultant Democracy]

81. you are just a partisan with a chip on your shoulder, go cry well take care of the courntry.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

83. how dramatic

I guess we all can't be as smart and insightful as you, so you need to take your ball and go home.