ALERT: Any update on this MI delegate news out of the SoS's office??!!!!!

[elixir]

This sounds pretty bad. Whether you're for Hillary or Obama, this delegate mess will turn off all voters no matter who their for.!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4490194

[Pathwalker]

1. Why not strip both states of their delegates AND Super Delegates-

it's their fault anyway-and just decide the nomination on the majority of what's left?

[1620rock]

3. We the people of Michigan did not vote to change the date of our

primary. Why should our voices not be heard?

[elixir]

4. So, do you think this should go ahead? Should the votes be counted?

I'm a Hillary supporter so I want her to get every delegate she can,but, I think this would be a huge problem down the road. MI only had HRC (and a few others) on the ballot, this was a clear disadvantage to the other candidates. Not fair and a big problem, as I see it.

[Yossariant]

10. The candidates who took their names off the ballot were pandering to the early states.

There was no requirement or agreement to do it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22054151/
Democratic candidates John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and Joe Biden have withdrawn their names from the ballot to satisfy Iowa and New Hampshire, which were unhappy Michigan was challenging their leadoff status on the primary calendar.

[Pathwalker]

6. Because you will be called nasty names by the Obama

supporters? :shrug: I have been repeatedly told that "party rules" are sacred, yet Michigan law forbidding a second primary can get screwed. Our delegates will NOT be seated, nor will their votes count for the nomination, however it seems acceptable to some that the Super Delegates - who created this mess - should still be allowed to vote. I oppose that.

[elixir]

8. I hear you. I just don't want to divide the party any more w/ this issue.

[rateyes]

11. What did the voters do to stop the change of date?

If they count the primary already taken, it disenfranchises a lot of MI voters, too.

There are consequences that come with choices. I hope you'll hold your Party leaders accountable.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. Apparently that choice was made by the Michigan Legislature and

was approved by the Michigan Supreme Court. This was done with full knowledge of the rules set forth by the DNC and the fact that their delegates would be stripped by the DNC and they did it anyway. It sucks, but you cannot expect to violate the rules and not suffer the consequences.

[Yossariant]

2. It's impossible to reconcile Obama's fans whining about those "undemocratic" superdelegates while

insisting that the voters in MI and FL be disenfranchised.

:shrug:

[elixir]

5. I agree, but, won't this be a major problem. It's unfair to the other candidates and will be a

problem for HRC.

[Yossariant]

13. Clinton did not campaign in MI. Conyers campaigned for Obama.

Obama campaigned in FL where his name was on the ballot.

Again, there was no agreement or pledge to remove the names from the ballots anywhere.

The only people whining that it's unfair are the Obama fans because his cheating, by campaigning in MI and FL, and pandering, by taking his name off the MI ballot, blew up in his face.

[Iceburg]

7. They don't want SuperDelegates but they embrace Caucus style voting - Hypocracy

[mckeown1128]

15. They weren't disenfranchised...

If you show up to vote on the wrong day and your vote isn't counted, you are not being disenfranchised. The Democratic Party can create their own rules as to who, what, when, where, and how people in the Democratic Party vote. If the voters their don't like it too bad. The constitution does not mandate that people have the right to vote for anything other than elected office. This election is for the nomination of a party: thus no guarantee to vote. The voters and MI and FL were given the opportunity to select delegates to the National Party. They choose not to follow the necessary rules. Too bad for them.

[Yossariant]

16. The Democratic Party created the superdelegate rules, too. I notice you fail

to address the fact that those rules were in effect before the primary process began so complaining and trying to change them now is no different than wanting to count all the votes of people who actually took the time to show up and vote.

Obama wants to find the rules "inconvenient" when it suits his ageneda and insist on their enforcement when it does not suit his agenda.

No hypocrisy there.

[madfloridian]

9. MI and FL delegates will NOT count toward the nominee.

They may have seats at the convention, and they may be given back their hotel rooms....but they will not count toward picking the nominee.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1795

[Pathwalker]

12. What about our Super Delegates?

Does their vote count?

[madfloridian]

17. I heard they did not....not sure.

Trying to find a definitive statement.

[Pathwalker]

18. Thank you for your reply, madfloridian!

I hope they won't since it's all their fault anyway.