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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:05 PM
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35 Years of Experience?
Can someone help me out here on detailing HRC's "35 years of experience".

I have:

--Less than 1 year of working for the Childrens Defense Fund

--15 years of being a corporate lawyer

--8 years of being First Lady

--7 years of legislative experience as a Senator.


Someone tell me what I'm missing? This is an honest question. The perception seems to be that she's more experienced than Obama. But simply because she's much older than him doesn't mean she has more relevant experience.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:06 PM
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1. you are missing nothing. if you count work experience, he has more.
if you count experience on the progressive agenda, he has more. if you count age, she has more. that's it.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:36 PM
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46. This link will answer your question
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:06 PM
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2. She's been around, and she's been famous for a long time. That, apparently, counts
as "experience" to some people.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:07 PM
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3. 15 + 8 + 7 +1 = 31. Throw in 4 years for good behavior. Viola!
A bit of fact stretching but I am sure that we have all seen much much worse.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:09 PM
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4. Well, you just summed up her work experience with your post. Bill Richardson has more experience.
But he's out of the running.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 PM
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5. I think what she is trying to say is she is better connected than
Obama. I don't think being First Lady of Arkansas or First Lady of the United States counts much toward experience other than perhaps meeting people.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:13 PM
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7. "I think what she is trying to say is she is better connected"
Nothing says "change" like being a long time politician connected to other long time poliricians and needing to steal the competitions slogan?
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:47 PM
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19. Then why not just say 'better connected?' Or perhaps this is one
of those nuances that some of us were told we didn't understand four years ago. I hate it when someone is 'trying to say' something instead of simply saying it. Plainspeak is ok.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 PM
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self delete. dupe.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 PM by Kerry2008
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 PM
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6. 35 years of experience....baking cookies?
You're right, Hillary hasn't done shit.

That's why she's running for President.

:sarcasm:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:17 PM
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9. Don't put worrds in my mouth. She's done a lot.
But I'd like a detailing of these 35 years of experience she constantly refers to. I like specifics.

If she were claiming that she has 7 years of experience then that would be self-explanatory.

But she's claiming 35 years.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:17 PM
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8. I guess she's counting those 8 years in the WH with Bill
as First Lady in Dog Years maybe???? Does this mean suddenly that Laura Bush will be able to talk about her "years of experience" since her husband was a Governor and then a two-term president too? Egads.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:19 PM
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10. LINK:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:21 PM
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11. "doesn't mean she has more relevant experience"
Are you a little kid or something?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:31 PM
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12. can you answer with something substantive instead of insults?
That's very childish.

The perception is that she is more experienced than Obama. And I've heard many people use that "experience" as a justification for their preference for her over Obama. It comes up again and again and again.

But when you examine the claim critically, it doesn't withstand any scrutiny.

Can you explain why working as a corporate lawyer or hosting state dinners makes her more qualified to be president?

Can you explain how sitting on the board of Walmart makes her more qualified to be president?

Thanks.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:52 PM
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22. Can you explain how being only a state senator up until 2 years ago makes Obama more qualified? nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:26 PM
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24. Sure
It gives him legislative experience. She has legislative experience (which is her only real experience) and he has more.

For those claiming that her work on campaigns and her various lawyer jobs gave her the experience she needs to be president, I really have to question your sanity. Canvassing and phonebanking for McGovern and Goldwater does not count as experience that makes one qualified to run the country. Neither does sitting on corporate boards and non-profit boards. This is just what corporate lawyers do.

So since they have roughly the same amount of legislative experience, let's compare apples to apples:

During the first 8 years of his elected service, Obama sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006, the Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, and many more.

What bills has Clinton authored or sponsored during her 7 years in the Senate?

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:34 PM
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25. Clinton has sponsored 352 bills, co-sponsored 1713 bills in the Senate.
By the way, only ONE of Obama's bills was enacted into law.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:37 PM
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27. How many Bills of substance
has she authored? I only know she worked on video game legislation and some legislation regarding national monuments and other, similar uncontroversial stuff.....b/c she's been planning for a presidential bid all along....

Come on I want details. Some specifics please people.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:44 PM
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31. Obama tackles the controversial stuff?
I seem to remember that he voted "present" for a woman's right to choose. I seem to remember that he didn't vote at all for Kyl-Lieberman.

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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:49 PM
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34. two that come to mind
-racial profiling in Illinois
-videotaping of confessions
-transparency in government/ethics reform

He led the way in all three. Created coalitions with people who would ordinarily have been against him (for example the governor and the police in the videotaping of confessions)forged ahead, and got the legislation enacted.
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:34 PM
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45. Here is a list of some of her experience
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:46 PM
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13. Bump
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 PM by woolldog
Can any of the Clinton supporters answer my question?

I find it interesting that the Clinton supporters love to characterize the Obama supporters as ignorant on the ins and outs of certain policy details, yet they can't substantiate (and have no idea how to substantiate) one of their candidates main arguments as to why she deserves the presidency.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:41 PM
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30. We are. You're just being obtuse. nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:45 PM
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32. re
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 03:45 PM by woolldog
Look at the time the post youre responding to was posted. It's only now that people started trying to answer.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:48 PM
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33. Oh, you mean we're not online 24/7? nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:52 PM
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35. there are always
Clinton supporters online available to answer questions...at least in the morning and afternoon.

I hear they like to go to bed early though...lol
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:55 PM
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37. Yeah, being that I'm elderly at 34. nt
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:50 PM
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14. Going back 35 years would take you to 1973 when Clinton was still in...
law school.

So I'm not sure where the 35 years comes from.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:10 PM
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15. In 1972 she worked for the McGovern campaign...
In 1974, Hillary Clinton moved to Washington, where she worked for the House Judiciary Committee's Special Counsel John Doar on the impeachment of Richard Nixon.

Right there alone made me donate $100.00 to her campaign today.

Thank you.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:40 PM
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29. Nader was a progressive in the early 1970s too. So what?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:53 PM
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36. golddigger
doesn't mention that Hillary also worked for Goldwater. Wonder why she didn't mention that?
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:45 PM
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49. Much more said about her here:
SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

BEFORE MARRIAGE

“In early 1968 she was elected President of the Wellesley College Government Association and served through early 1969; she was instrumental in keeping Wellesley from being embroiled by the student disruptions common to other colleges at the time. A number of her fellow students thought at the time she might someday become the first woman President of the United States”

“Stemming from the demands of some students, she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address. Her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.”

“Rodham then entered Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.”

“She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital,<35> and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free advice for the poor.”

“1970, she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor, researching migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education;”

“The following summer, Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.”

“During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts,<53> and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.”

“During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum, Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment. The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.”

“By then, Rodham was viewed as someone with a bright political future; Democratic political organizer and consultant Betsey Wright had moved from Texas to Washington the previous year to help guide her career; Wright thought Rodham had the potential to one day become a senator or president.”

“Meanwhile, Clinton had repeatedly asked her to marry him, and she had continued to demur.”


ARKANSAS FIRST LADY

“In 1975, Hillary finally agreed to marry Bill Clinton.”

“working pro bono in child advocacy;”

“publishing the scholarly articles "Children's Policies: Abandonment and Neglect" in 1977 and "Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective" in 1979”

“Rodham co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.<33><77> In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana)<78> appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, “

“Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.”

“During her husband's campaign, Rodham began to use the name Hillary Clinton, or sometimes "Mrs. Bill Clinton", in order to have greater appeal to Arkansas voters; “

“As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association<92> to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.”

“She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.”

“From 1987 to 1991 she chaired the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession,<98> which addressed gender bias in the law profession and induced the association to adopt measures to combat it.<98> She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.”

“Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992)<102> and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986–1992).

WAL-MART: “Clinton was the first female member on Wal-Mart's board, added when chairman Sam Walton was pressured to name one; once there, she pushed successfully for the chain to adopt more environmentally-friendly practices.”

“active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children”

U.S. FIRST LADY

“Bill Clinton said that electing him would get "two for the price of one", referring to the prominent role his wife would assume”
“She is regarded as the most openly empowered presidential wife in American history, save for Eleanor Roosevelt.”
“In 1993, the president appointed his wife to head and be the chairwoman of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, hoping to replicate the success she had in leading the effort for Arkansas education reform.”

“Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage”

“She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<48> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.”

“Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.”

“As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997), Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997), and Children and Adolescents (2000), and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<143> and Philanthropy (1999).”

“Hillary Clinton traveled to 79 countries during this time, breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.”

“In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself, declaring ‘that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights’.”

She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan
She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.”
“In 1996, Clinton presented a vision for the children of America in the book It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us. The book was a New York Times Best Seller,<303> and Clinton received the Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album in 1997 for the book's audio recording.<303> The title refers to an African proverb that states "It takes a village to raise a child".
U. S. SENATOR
“Clinton has served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002),<203> Committee on Armed Services (since 2003), Committee on Environment and Public Works (since 2001),<203> Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (since 2001)<203> and Special Committee on Aging. She is also a Commissioner the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe<206> (since 2001).”
“Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Clinton sought to obtain funding for the recovery efforts in New York City and security improvements in her state. Working with New York's senior senator, Charles Schumer, she was instrumental in quickly securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment. She subsequently took a leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.”
“Clinton voted for the USA Patriot Act in October 2001, as did all but one senator. In 2005, when the act was up for renewal, she worked to address some of the civil liberties concerns with it.”
“As a member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services, Clinton strongly supported military action in Afghanistan, saying it was a chance to combat terrorism while improving the lives of Afghan women who suffered under the Taliban government. “
“Senator Clinton voted against the tax cuts introduced by President Bush, including the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, saying it was fiscally irresponsible to reopen the budget deficit.”
“Along with Senators Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, she introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games. “
“Clinton opposed the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 and supported a February 2007 non-binding Senate resolution against it, which failed to gain cloture.<233> In March 2007 she voted in favor of a war spending bill that required President Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq within a certain deadline; it passed almost completely along party lines but was subsequently vetoed by President Bush.”
“In March 2007, in response to the dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy, Clinton called on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign,<238> and launched an Internet campaign to gain petition signatures towards this end.”
“Clinton has enjoyed high approval ratings for her job as senator within New York, reaching an all-time high of 72 to 74 percent approving (including half of Republicans) over 23 to 24 percent disapproving in December 2006, before her presidential campaign became active”
“She has been ranked among the world's most powerful people by Forbes magazine<245> and Time magazine's Time 100.”
Ratings of various interest groups:
• “Through 2006, she has a lifetime 96% "Liberal Quotient" from Americans for Democratic Action.<292>
• ProgressivePunch gives her a 91.4% lifetime progressive rating, ranking her the 28th most progressive of current senators.<293>
• Through 2006, she has a lifetime 9% rating from the American Conservative Union.<294>
• She received an 'A' (excellent) on the Drum Major Institute's 2005 Congressional Scorecard on middle-class issues.<295>
• The American Civil Liberties Union has given her a 75% lifetime rating through September 2007.<296>
• NARAL Pro-Choice America consistently gave her a 100% pro-choice rating from 2002 to 2006.<297>
• The League of Conservation Voters has given her a lifetime 90% pro-environment action rating through 2006.<298>
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:33 PM
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16. Also in 1977 was appointed...
part-time Chairman of the Legal Services Corp. by President Jimmy Carter.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:35 PM
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17. Does that answer some of your questions? Because it sure did get awful
quiet all of a sudden.
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:38 PM
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18. why don't you add it all up to the 35 years she is claiming
so far, you've shown 3.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:35 PM
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26. I don't want to post too much
in my own thread...I answered you upthread.

I think it's a great resume, but it doesn't make her any more qualified to be president than Obama, and less so than McCain. Most of her experience doesn't add to those "presidential qualifications."
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:51 PM
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20. Hillary helped prepare impeachment proceedings against Nixon
In January 1974 she was chosen as one of 43 lawyers handpicked to work on the legal staff of the House Judiciary Committee, which was charged with preparing impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon resulting from the Watergate scandal.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:52 PM
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21. And a life time of helping Bill Clinton in any thing he did
that counts up to 35 years of experience
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:38 PM
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28. Don't be so harsh. Hillary had nothing to do with introducing Monica...
:yoiks:


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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:15 PM
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23. She has experience being a wonk who can wonk but can't get legislation put into law
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 03:19 PM by truedelphi
Both Clintons seemed to think it is so fabulous to think about great ideas, and design the blueprints.

I can't even imagine how much work she and the staff at the WH put into things like the National Health Plan, and the Campaign Finance Reform Issue.

But those never saw the light of day legislatively speaking.

And if something doesn't get enacted, does it even matter how righteous you get about your being a wonk?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:55 PM
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38. For cryin' out loud.
There are lots of reasons to support or oppose either of them, but this is nonsense. Her biography is no secret -- it's out there for you to peruse if you wanted to. :eyes:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:16 PM
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39. Right on - And yet she says she wants to run on HER record??? Reallly??????????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/the-curious-math-of-hilla_b_82028.html

The Curious Math of Hillary's "35 Years of Experience"

Posted January 17, 2008 |

Hillary Clinton keeps talking about her 35 years of experience. "I am offering 35 years of experience making change," she said in New Hampshire. "I'm not just running on a promise of change, I'm running on 35 years of change." And she repeatedly mentioned the 35 years again in this week's debate in Las Vegas.

Well, Senator Clinton, I'm confused. I've done the math. You're 60, which means that 35 years ago you were 25. And I Googled your name, looking for all the change you were making as a 25 year old and, frankly, I'm not finding much. You were going to Yale Law School at the time -- which I'm sure was a personally transformative experience, but it's hardly the kind of change that should count on one's Presidential Training Experience resume, is it? Is that when you started your personal Working-for-Change-O-Meter?

......................

I'm just as confused!! So Hillary you want to be tied to Bill's tail??? OK - then your saying you were and are a proud partner with the following:

NAFTA, CAFTA, Communications Bill of 1996 Act, and outsourcing money to India -
Her vote against the people and for the Corporations in the Bankruptcy Bill -
Voting for the Iraq War to invade - not to help protect the troops after they are all ready there -
And not least: Her vote of the so-called "Lieberman-Kyl" resolution on Iran.

Yes or no???

:argh:
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:34 PM
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40. Thanks
for the link, 1776. Sums up my thoughts perfectly.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 05:55 PM
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41. Are you not missing 12 years as Arkansas first lady
:shrug:
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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:21 PM
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42. Here is a link of her long list of experience
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 06:22 PM by pathansen
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:27 PM
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43. Heres my calculation, From Wikipedia
see if you folks can do better:

1968 - Elected President of Wellesley College

1969 - Graduated from Wellesley College

1971 - Began dating Bill Clinton

1973 - Spent an extra year being with Bill

1973 - Published a book 'Children under the Law'

1975 - Married Bill Clinton

1976 - Joined Rose Law Firm

1977 - Published a book 'Abandonment and Neglect' also was appointed by Jimmy Carter for
Legal Services Corporation,served in this capacity from 1978 - 1981

1979 - Published another book 'Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective'

1978 - 1979, while looking to supplement their income, Rodham made a spectacular profit from trading cattle futures contracts.

1982 - 1992 As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

1993 - The president appointed his wife to head and be the chairwoman of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform, hoping to replicate the success she had in leading the effort for Arkansas education reform.


1997 - Worked with Senator Ted Kennedy for the State Children Health Insurance Program

2000 - Became New York State Senator

Help me here people, where did she get all these experience from, :shrug:

is dating Bill and getting married part of the experience too, what is this thing about 35 years.
35 years of doing what, being

school President,

writing books about children and

working for Rose Law Firm and Wal-Mart and co-mingling are those the qualification
to become President.

What a shame, this whole thing is the biggest "fairy tale I have ever seen"



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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:30 PM
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44. Please see this link. It gives much more detail
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:36 PM
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47. so her work in the legal/political arena during and since college is not relevant?
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 06:38 PM by MrsBrady
let me preface this by saying like both HC and BO -- I'll be happy to vote for either or both.
ok, having said that...

Umm...I would think that in one's career of being in the legal/political field that Hill's law school experience, you know, would be, you know, like, relevant, you know?

I'd like to know how 35 years of trying to make things better for the under served and underprivileged could not be more relevant?

She's completely qualified.

Read through her website, go read her books, go read Bills books, go read her senate record, what she has said, etc.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 07:11 PM
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48. I have
Carol, I have. That's why I'm asking the question, b/c I was unable to reconcile my research with her rhetoric.

--I DON'T see how being a corporate lawyer and then first lady qualifies someone to be president.

--I DON'T see how working for legal services qualifies someone to be president.

--I DON'T see how working on a couple of campaigns qualifies someone to be president.

--I CAN see how serving in a legislature would qualify someone for the presidency, but he has the edge there, both in terms of years served and substantive accomplishments.

--I CAN see how graduating from top a law school would show someone has the smarts needed to be president but he went to harvard and she went to yale so it's a wash.

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