Egalitariat
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:39 PM
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If the people choose Obama, and less than 1000 Superdelegates effectively veto that choice |
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by pushing Clinton to the nomination, wouldn't that be an empty victory?
Has that set of circumstances ever occurred before?
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:39 PM
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1. The people as in Democratic voters? Agree, Democratic voters should determine it |
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:40 PM
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2. Define "the people." Delegates? Voters? |
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:41 PM
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3. I know ... lately there's been a concern about the number of states n/t |
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:41 PM
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4. Superdelegates aren't going to vote as a block |
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You aren't going to get 700 elected Democratic officials from across the country to agree on anything.
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:41 PM
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5. If that happens, Obama's indepedent voters will turn to McCain for revenge |
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 PM
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7. Yes, the independents will and those dems who feel diseffected will sit it out or |
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write in Obama or another candidate.
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 PM
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6. I think people will take to the streets. |
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We're tired of not seeing the person who's genuinely and honestly elected being the winner.
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Sat Feb-09-08 02:12 PM
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nobody will take to the streets...at least not for very long...too many good shows on teevee
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 PM
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8. Really .....as if presidents haven't been brokered before. |
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Is this candidate supposed to be annoited and the people step up to kiss butt.
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:46 PM
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9. I'm thinking it would be the end of the Democratic party. Period. nt |
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:48 PM
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10. I find it unlikely that the superdelegates would change the outcome if pledged delegates were in... |
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...Obama's favor, unless the popular vote was significantly less, say, 500 thousand and he had a pledged delegate majority without picking up the popular vote (a possible outcome). Then people will be doing some interesting discussing.
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:51 PM
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11. All I hear on your thread are people threatening bad things if the superdelegates don't |
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vote for Obama --no matter what.
Some of them have no clue about what democracy means.
Democracy isn't just about THEIR votes, it's about MINE, too.
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:51 PM
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12. no, but if Hillery wins you will righteously accuse her of doing it, do you guys get a script for |
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this shit, you cant make it up... tooo weird, up to 10,000,000,
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Sat Feb-09-08 01:52 PM
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13. I guarantee if the tables were turned (it could happen) they would be upset. |
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Sat Feb-09-08 02:04 PM
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14. there is no law against it, no crime... it is the way we are controlled, always has been, one way or |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 02:05 PM by sam sarrha
another... and there are many ways the status quo can stay in power..
would you add that one vote that tipped the election to obama.???
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Sat Feb-09-08 03:21 PM
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16. If that happens, I'm outta the party. |
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If Hillary wins fair and square, that's fine. But if they steal it, color me gone.
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Sat Feb-09-08 03:22 PM
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17. I'm done with the party if MI or FL get disenfanchised and their vote would matter to the outcome. |
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Sat Feb-09-08 03:25 PM
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19. Do you live there? Then pressure your state party to create something that.. |
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follows the rules. Then your vote will count. They can still fix this.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:54 PM
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20. The Florida Republican majority changed the Primary date, and the Dems could do |
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nothing to stop it.
I don't know about Michigan.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:01 PM
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24. They could vote against it. |
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The move to make the primary earlier was UNANIMOUS. The DNC rules contain exceptions for when primaries are forced up, as long as the democrats actually try to stop it, which they didn't.
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Sat Feb-09-08 03:25 PM
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18. I want my candidate elected, not selected. |
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I will back either one should they win, but I would have to walk away from anyone.. Obama or Clinton if the people said one thing, and the the super delegates decided something else. In the rules or not, I will not be a party to it.
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Sun Feb-10-08 12:58 PM
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22. It would completely destroy the Democratic Party. |
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If Hillary became the nominee by this means, many Democrats would not work for her and not support her. McCain would win the GE. It would send the message that the establishment rules and the people don't matter.
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Sun Feb-10-08 01:00 PM
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23. if that happens, it will result in the worst defeat in November we have ever had |
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It will cause us to lose the House and the Senate, and thousands of Democratic officeholders nationwide.
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