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Sat Feb-09-08 08:27 PM
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Buchanan still pushing the "Obama can't win blue collar types" meme |
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Obama could fucking beat Hillary 80-20 and this codger would still be pushing his agenda. Is he on her payroll? shit
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:28 PM
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1. Rachel smacked him down for that shit and good! |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:01 PM
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20. Rachel kicked ASS during that segment! |
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What the hell is Buchanan's problem with these huge Obama victories?
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:28 PM
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2. WTF does pat know? How many |
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blue collar friends does he have?
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:37 PM
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elections has he won? Oh, that's right, he did win Palm Beach in 2000.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:29 PM
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3. Buchanan has been a huge supporter of Hillary throughout the entire |
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primary season. He wants her as the nominee and that makes me wonder why.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:30 PM
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4. Its exactly like Bill Bennett on CNN |
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:38 PM
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:57 PM
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17. I can't listen to Bennett for more than 15 seconds. Didn't know he was pushing |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:00 PM
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19. You would think he was on her campaign staff |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:24 PM
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22. The kinda guy you love |
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:30 PM
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5. To ensure a republicker victory in November, he must think. |
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:30 PM
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6. Obama's weakest income group is working folks |
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The poorer you are the less likely you are to support obama. His best income group is the affluent. Buchanan has a point.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:31 PM
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8. How many Dems in Nebraska are affluent? |
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:46 PM
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14. Obama's wins show a consistent pattern |
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1) States which are the most DLC 2) States where blacks are at least 20% of the population 3) He does better as folks' income rises (exit polling backs this up)
Look at the big states he lost. They were all blue, blacks were less than 20% of the population and he got clobbered among working folk. Obamites can deny reality but political analysts look at the data and see the obvious.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:48 PM
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16. Washington state is neither DLC or 20% black |
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NE is not affluent either, and it isnt 20% black.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:57 PM
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18. There are exceptions to the rule |
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Nebraska is a DLC stronghold. It has the most conservative Democratic senator.
Here are the states he has won:
Iowa: (next door to Illinois) South Carolina: 29% black, half black in the Democratic primary and he won blacks 78-19-1 after placing third with whites Connecticut: Home of Joe Lieberman. Despite Joe it is relatively progressive. Count this as an exception. Georgia: Almost a third black, half black in the Democratic primary and he won blacks 88-12 Alabama: See Georgia Illinois: his home state Minnesota: exception Missouri: he barely won a neighboring state. He was fueled by nearly unanimous black support and support among affluent Democrats. Even in a state that at first blush looks like an exception when you look at the numbers he won for the same reasons as the general rule. North Dakota: DLC Kansas: DLC Colorado: exception Utah: DLC Idaho: DLC Alaska: DLC
Louisiana: See Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina Washington: exception Nebraska: DLC
Then take a look at the states he lost and you will see they don't have many conservative Democrats, the black population is under 20%, and he loses badly among working folks.
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:32 PM
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25. Oh, really? Like Minnesota? |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:34 PM by ocelot
Small minority population, one of the bluest states, DLC has little influence. Obama won by a large margin.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:30 PM
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7. Just turn to CNN. I had to, couldn't stand it anymore. Maddow: "IN WHAT WORLD |
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ARE NEBRASKA AND IDAHO THE LEFT LANE?" CNN is at least giving him credit for winning states.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:32 PM
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Has he been outside Washington since then? Has Billary?
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:33 PM
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10. Pat and Bill Bennett are two lard asses who always push for Hillary. |
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They take every opportunity on TV to promote Hillary as the perfect candidate because they know they can run well against her. They also know Obama will drive their fat asses into the Potomac.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:42 PM
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13. Rachel does analysis, Uncle Pat bloviates. |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 08:43 PM by Graybeard
Buchanan twists results to fit his agenda. Rachel looks at the facts and sees the logic of them. Rachel is a good reason to watch MSNBC.
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Sat Feb-09-08 08:47 PM
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15. yeah Pat is a real man of the people, he's like a regular blue collar guy. |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:29 PM
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23. This kind of spin about Obama is getting more difficult by the day ... |
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Sat Feb-09-08 09:32 PM
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24. The blue collar types???? |
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Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:34 PM by fadedrose
Aren't they all in China?
You mean there are a few left in the US? Couldn't be enough of them to sway an election.
Hey, maybe that's why Edwards did poorly. He was courting the blue collar vote and maybe they are a minority now.
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