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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:52 AM
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Uh, Oh... Neck and Neck, Democrats Woo Superdelegates - NYT
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and CARL HULSE
Published: February 10, 2008

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The Clinton campaign has established a system, overseen by one of the party’s most seasoned behind-the-scenes operators, Harold Ickes, to have superdelegates contacted by carefully chosen friends and local supporters, as well as by big-name figures like Madeleine K. Albright, a former secretary of state. For particularly tough sells, the campaign has former President Bill Clinton or Chelsea Clinton make the call.

Mr. Obama has enlisted Tom Daschle, the popular former Senate majority leader, as well as Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the party’s 2004 presidential nominee.

“You know there is something interesting going on when you pick up your cellphone and see all those out-of-state phone numbers,” said Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, who reported getting calls from Ms. Napolitano and Mr. Daschle.

A survey of the superdelegates by The New York Times that was completed a week ago found that 204 had decided to back Mrs. Clinton, 99 backed Mr. Obama and the rest said they were undecided or did not respond. The survey came before the coast-to-coast contests on Tuesday, and the superdelegates can change their minds at any time.

Surveys by other news organizations have shown Mr. Obama in a stronger position, underlining the difficulties facing news organizations — and campaigns — trying to get a firm count from this group of delegates.

The superdelegates include all Democratic governors and members of Congress, as well as officials and other prominent members of the party. In interviews, some said they were grappling with how to use their power if it comes into play, especially if their judgment does not match the will of a majority of voters.

Should they ratify the decision by regular delegates and vote for the candidate who is ahead in June, no matter how small the lead? Are they obligated to follow the vote of their constituents in primaries or caucuses? Or should they simply follow their conscience and vote for whomever they think is the best nominee?


Superdelegates, created in 1982, were intended to restore some of the power over the nomination process to party insiders, tempering the zeal of party activists. About 15 to 20 percent of the delegates at Democratic conventions are superdelegates.

In the close race for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1984, superdelegates overwhelmingly supported Walter F. Mondale, helping to secure his defeat of Gary Hart. This year, the competition is more intense, and the superdelegates’ support more evenly divided.

Mr. Obama, talking to reporters in Seattle on Friday, said he believed superdelegates should follow the will of the voters.

“My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters,” Mr. Obama said. “I think it is also important for superdelegates to think about who will be in the strongest position to defeat John McCain in November and who will be in the strongest position to ensure that we are broadening the base, bringing people who historically have not gotten involved in politics into the fold.”

Mrs. Clinton, campaigning Saturday in Maine, disputed Mr. Obama’s interpretation of how superdelegates should make their decision, arguing, as her aides have in conversations with superdelegates, that they should make an independent decision based on who they thought would be the strongest candidate and president. She brought up Senators Kerry and Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts; both men have endorsed Mr. Obama, but Mrs. Clinton won that state on Tuesday.

“Superdelegates are, by design, supposed to exercise independent judgment,” she said at a news conference in Maine, according to MSNBC. “But, of course, if Senator Obama and his campaign continue to push this position, which is really contrary to what the definition of a superdelegate has historically been, I will look forward to receiving the support of Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry.”

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Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/us/politics/10superdelegates.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

This may have already been posted, but...

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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:08 AM
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1. "Superdelegates, created in 1982, were intended to restore some of the power over the nomination"...
Superdelegates, created in 1982, were intended to restore some of the power over the nomination process to party insiders, tempering the zeal of party activists. About 15 to 20 percent of the delegates at Democratic conventions are superdelegates.


"Be damned" you lowly 'party activists' and active voters in the primaries/caucuses.

The party elders know all and are the "Great and Mighty OZ"....

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:45 AM
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2. I fear that Obama will get blinsided by the Clintonian Charm Operation
He had better not get caught napping here, otherwise the Clintonians will just stay even in delegates until the convention, and then win with the superdelegates in Denver.
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John316 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:41 AM
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3. Just Say NO... and mean it!
Super Delegates is another word for the SPP. If all of Congress totals 535 member who are the rest? Watch and see!!!
WATCH THIS VIDEO! SEE ALL THE FINE PRINT!
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/north-american-union-will-spp-lead-to-a-fascist-parliment/1011766126
----North American Union? Will SPP lead to a fascist parliment?
4MIN MARK -HIGHLIGHTS HOW SUPER DELEGATES UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY
6MIN MARK - THE TOTAL INSANITY OF IT
ALL
8MINUTE-PRIVATIZATION IS REALLY A GOVERNMENT WELFARE SYSTEM OF FEEDING ITS FRIENDS LIKE BLACKWATER, HALLIBURTON,.
Super delegates control all the vital services and will direct our money to the NEOCON prodigy of the moment.
Its all good if we capitulate, Right? Will New World Order topple America and destroy America? Only if we stand by and let it happen

Just Say NO and mean it!

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