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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:01 AM
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My CNN Saturday Election Coverage Diary: Or Why I Will Never Watch MSNBC (Except Countdown) Again
Intro: I apologize in advance. The CNN coverage of tonight’s primaries and caucuses was really tame and responsible compared to the media atrocity I documented on MSNBC, so this will be pretty boring. You may not even want to read it, unless you are like me, and you are interested in the corporate media in the United States. I think the difference between CNN and NBC is CNN does not have General Electric telling it “Our major contractor, the Pentagon wants John McCain elected president so get to work turning that sow’s ear into a silk purse.”

After MONSTER Super Tuesday I couldn’t take any more of MSNBC’s biased election coverage. If I heard one more GE employee call John McCain a maverick I was going to hurl my beef tacos from Melis Taqueria, and they are too good to waste. Plus, you would have to have been born yesterday to think that the Hillary bashing was going to stop, just because poor David Schuster had been nailed to a cross to pay for Chris Matthews’ sins and soothe Joe Scarborough’s ruffled feathers.

At 4 PM CST, I turned the TV to CNN for the first time since 2006, when I swore off Ted Turner’s old news network. At that time, Screaming Chicken Wolf Blitzer and Co. were offering Terra Warnings du Jour. The last one I remember was something about an imminent dirty bomb attack on a football game at a time when there were no football games scheduled. The FBI said it was not going to happen, but Wolfie looked very scared anyway.

On the theory that nothing could be worse than what I had witnessed on MONSTER Super Tuesday , I decided to watch CNN.

4 PM CST: Oh my! There are three women covering the primaries. No snickering guys in suits making rude jokes about Hillary or Bill’s sex life. No “she-devil” comments. No references to “claws” or “pimps”. And no one ever called McCain a “maverick” or a “truth teller” or an ‘independent”. I knew right away that both the Republican Party faithful and Obama supporters who are used to what passes for journalism at MSNBC would probably be horrified by CNN. The Republican Party establishment is so used to seeing their guy verbally serviced by guys like Tweety that the women at CNN must have seemed downright disrespectful to the aging Senator from Arizona in their indifference. And Obama supporters who have come to expect the blatant Hillary and Bill bashing over at MSNBC as their candidate’s due might be tempted to think that the women at CNN are biased in favor of the female candidate because they didn’t make fun of the thickness of her ankles or the lack of money in her coffers or her laugh or her daughter (as the Onion says, “Bullshit is the number one issue on the mind of American voters this campaign season as in every season.”)

5 PM Uh Oh! Lou Dobbs time. We all know he is crazy. Crazy with bigotry over illegal aliens. Maybe I will check in and see what is up at MSNBC. I switch channels and discover that the GE network has no election coverage scheduled tonight. Very odd. Are they embarrassed at being found out as Hillary bashing sexists? Are they expecting their man, McCain to do so poorly tonight that they fear the “mavericks” and “truth tellers” and “independents” will sound hollow falling from their adoring lips?

Back to Lou Dobbs, and his show wasn’t half bad! Sure, he had a rant about immigrants. But he also ranted about the mortgage crisis, and Jesse Jackson got to complain about reverse red lining in which people who should have qualified for normal mortgages were told they could only have the nasty kind—the ones that are costing them their homes. Every one agreed the Bush is to blame and that the next president had better get his act together about the failing economy and that only someone with a plan was going to have a snow ball’s chance in hell of getting elected.
Oooo. Economic issues. And here I thought that Bullshit was the number issue with voters.

6 PM Prime time coverage. Huckabee is projected as the winner of Kansas and no one laughs at either Huckabee or Kansas! Amazing.

645PM Former campaign manager of Fred Thompson is interviewed. He is even more boring than his former candidate. He says that the GOP will eventually get behind McCain, because they will have to, not because they will want to. He does not use the words “maverick”, “truth teller” or “independent”. He sounds very dispirited. The RNC probably does not like this “spin”.

It gets surreal here. They show a video about the “Youth Vote” but the audio does not work, so they get Bill Schneider the oldest person at CNN to talk about the Youth Vote. Apparently young people are all over the map this election, with Huckabee getting his share, too.

Then we get an official statement from the Hillary camp: “Obama is becoming an establishment candidate.” I think this means he has more money than she does.

We get an official statement from the Obama camp: Obama camp says it is all about who gets the most delegates. which does sort of sound like an establishment thing to say (no offense intended. I wonder if they asked him the same question they asked the Hillary people.)

Finally we are told that JFK had a dark side and Reagan was really a liberal so “Get out and vote for the candidates we really have.”

It feels a little bit like a pep rally here. Maybe they were trying to inspire the “Youth Vote” that would not be caught dead sitting at home on Saturday night watching election returns on CNN unless they are already heavily into one of the presidential candidates.

7 PM CNN decides to mix things up. “Huckabee walloped McCain in Kansas.” Them’s fightin’ words.

715 PM Huckabee interview. “People don’t want to be told who their nominee is going to be.” The CNN host half heartedly tries to talk him into dropping out , but he has made up his mind that he is going to campaign all the way up until the convention. Man, he looks so sweet. If I was in trouble, and I had one quarter and the numbers of the four candidates, and I could only call one, I would definitely call Huckabee.

After the interview with Huckabee, there are more results. Obama is going to win everything. Nobody gloats about it or says that Hillary is finished or asks why she doesn’t drop out the way they would on MSNBC. They predict that she will not win anything until Ohio and Texas. They discuss the Republican race. Huckabee has no chance of getting enough delegates for a first ballot win. All he can do is keep McCain from getting a first ballot win and throwing it to a second ballot.

Two points are made that I have been waiting for Tweety (who is supposedly so politically savvy) to make for weeks. 1. Obama’s red state strength may be due to the fact that red states have very liberal Democratic voters, which means that he appeals to the most liberal Democratic voters and not to more middle of the road voters as some people have speculated and 2. Caucuses favor the participation of more affluent people who have the time to take off work or who do not work and who can spend hours participating in a lengthy voting process. Obama tends to attract a more affluent crowd. Hillary’s supporters are more likely to be working class and dependent upon their wages.

This is a whole world above what passes for political discussion on MSNBC where we get to listen to Tweety come up with lame brain theories about how New Hampshire voters favor Hillary by a few points because they are “racist” and Buchanan claim that Hillary has “ghettoized” Obama (whose support among White voters is rising) and Tweety claims that if the New Hampshire vote total does not match the exit polls it means that Hillary voters have hacked the E-vote. And in between attacks on Hillary every other word is maverick.

I guess I will be watching CNN from now on, but I will still watch Countdown. I wonder when KO’s contract is up. He needs to get out of that god awful place—before they conspire to find some reason to destroy his career and get rid of him because he won’t get behind “John McCain, the Maverick for President”.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:05 AM
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1. KO renewed last year, so good thing Hell be on MSNBC, the best cable news net for many more years!
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:08 AM
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2. Yes, CNN's coverage was superior
Although I know a lot of DUers have sworn never to watch CNN, the election coverage is worth watching.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:09 AM
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3. I watched CNN because KO wasnt doing election coverage tonight
But I find MSNBC analysts KO, Eugene Robinson, Rachel Maddow, and yes, Tweety, to be incredibly well versed on politics.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:16 AM
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5. KO needs to put a sock in Tweety, keep Robinson, Maddow add Richard Wolfe
and then he would have a winning line up.

On Super Tuesday the only one there who wasn't going along with the bullshit (and this includes KO, because frankly politics is not his strongest suit, even if his heart is in the right place, it is easy for someone like Tweety to mislead him) was Richard Wolfe. They need to get him on the air more. He knows what he is talking about and he does not talk crap like so many of the rest of them.

I think Pat Buchanan and Tweety deliberately try to keep people with political savvy off the air at MSNBC and NBC so that they can manipulate what goes on at that place.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:20 AM
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6. Personally I think Tweety is one of the most political savvy people on TV
And though I dont like Buchannan or his politics, he and Maddow are there to cancel each other out. I think they should also put Jonathan Alter on if they can, but a lot of these Newsweek gusy probably have other stuff to do.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:53 AM
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13. He may be politically savvy, but that doesn't keep him from being an asshole n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:54 AM
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14. C'mon, he's a cable news pundit. BY definition he's an ass hole.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:46 AM
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20. That tells me you're a Republican - just like your candidate.
Robinson is a Clinton-hating hack, Maddow is a lefty-left malcontent who hates the Democratic Party, and Tweety is a worthless piece of RNC shit - and that's on a GOOD day.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:53 AM
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22. "lefty-left malcontent "?!?
really :eyes:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:57 PM
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28. The only Job experience I know for Tweety besides his show is working for Dems in the house.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:25 PM
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33. On his show, he works for Jack Welch - a Republican arms merchant.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:13 AM
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4. self-delete
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:15 AM by AtomicKitten
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:20 AM
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7. About the caucuses and about Huckabee
Don't you think the integrity has been compromised by the fact that they allow Repukes to meddle. They also get to meddle in the primaries but not as badly. As I understood reading here tonight, just about anyone can walk in and vote. In addition, the numbers are so low, it doesn't even begin to represent the voting populace.

About Huckabee, he IS sweet. I honestly think he has internalized whatever he claims his beliefs are. I have never seen a sincere face like his on any so-called religious figure, Billy Graham, the Pope and all the rest of them. Please tell me why I am not supposed to like him? (I'm serious.)
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:56 AM
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15. Huckabee may be a nice guy, but the fact that he truly believes his theocratic rhetoric is scary
:scared:
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:20 AM
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8. Congratulations on writing an entirely too long post
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 04:22 AM by Unsane
The fact that you actually spent time writing that is scary.

P.S. Olbermann, Shuster, Russert, Gregory, Wolffe, Fineman are pretty good. Matthews almost prevents me from watching the channel. Though I still do tune into Hardball if I want to know what is going on.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:25 PM
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24. LOL - you may need to put an Obama icon on your posts.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:23 AM
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9. The only two floaters on CNN are Candy Crowley and Gloria Borger
:puke: :puke:

The rest are at least tolerable. MSNBC has gone downhill with all their patter.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:23 AM
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10. Yea, Bill Bennett and Lou Dobbs are real winnerrs.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:34 AM
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11. Another good source of news: Bloomberg
I'm a live voice echoer and I'm very impressed with the quality and substance of the analysis and coverage there. Tonight wasn't a lot of analysis, though. They just cut in for speeches and results. And Novakula landed in their Political Capital show as a pundit, so ugh. But everything else is pretty solid. Imagine a news show that spends 8 minutes on the top story. That's "Evening Edition."

There's good information out there in TV land.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:27 PM
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25. I agree - I have the TV's set up to watch each channel- Bloomberg quality is better than the others
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crud76 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:44 AM
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12. “People don’t want to be told who their nominee is going to be.”
I didn't catch that, but good on Huckabee. That doesn't fit the MSM paradigm and probably made a few people nervous: "Oh, no! He might inspire all those commoners out there to demand that the democratic process be allowed to proceed without any interference from us!"

I'd like to see more political coverage on CNN without Bart Blitzer.
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sofeisty Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:30 AM
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16. Don't give up on MSNBC's Dan Abrams show...
He's really been the fairest of them all to the Clinton campaign without being biased against the Obama campaign. If his ratings improve then perhaps MSNBC will see the wisdom of having a more balanced and less men's locker room style of analysis.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:35 AM
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17. I stopped watching MSNBC also.
The constant Clinton bashing was getting really old and tiresome, but the remark about Chelsea was the last straw for me.

I am so sick and tired of the media trying to brainwash everyone. We lived through the 90's when they harped on every bullshit story about the Clintons they could find, then trashed Gore in his 2000 campaign, trashed Kerry in his 2004 campaign and have been idolizing Bush and running republican propaganda 24/7 during the last 8 years. There are very few truth-tellers in the media anymore.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:26 AM
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18. My TV news comes from
The Daily Show, The Colbert report and Countdown.
CNN and the rest of the corporate presstitutes got the gate during the Republican jihad against Bill Clinton. CNN, and their cohorts in the corporate media made, and make, in kind contributions to the RNC by parroting Republican talking points as if they are reporting news. Remember how they seized the anti Kerry Swift Boat ads and reported them as news at least once an hour. Make no mistake, the corporate media belongs to the Republican war against humanity, and the Republicans reward the corporate media giants with legislation and regulations that allows all involved unfettered power to steal from the American people.
For a little something about McCain:
The idea that McCain isn't conservative enough is a ploy to attract moderate Independents. McCain is a far right crackpot who wants more blood shed in Bush's jihad against humanity. Ann Coulter has said she'll vote for Hillary Clinton. What makes anyone think Aryan Annie has suddenly become honest? Ann Coulter and Rash Limbaugh are the faces and voices of the Republican Party. They lie without compunction to an audience of dupes who believe Iraq had/has WMD, and it's the United States against the world. The only reason the rest of civilization hates us is because of the Bush Administration's attempt at world domination. The road to empire is paved with failed republics. John McCain has that road map and wants to get the car keys from Bush.

Read this: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__080207_the_mccain_mutiny_2c_a.htm
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:03 PM
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36. I'm with you on every point you made.
I can't wait for the writers to return to the Daily Show to put some punch back into it.

Occasionally I watch CNN - like if there is an earthquake or a bridge collapse.

But they scare me way too much.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:43 AM
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19. I turned to CNN last night after Buchanan and the other guy kept spewing
what I felt were frankly racial themes over and over with regards to Obama's wins; when the one pundit, who strangely enough was black, kept nearly swallowing his tongue trying to answer Maddow and somehow explain away Obama's wins. I'd never seen anything like it. By contrast, CNN was fairly straightforward reporting and gave credit where credit was due.

I forget why I quit watching CNN..probably Wolf Blitzer and the SHOCK AND AWE CAMPAIGN.. because that's the last thing I remember. I still can't stand Wolfie, but the much at MSNBC is just too much to bear.

Thanks for another insightful and well thought-out post, McCamy !
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:50 AM
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21. the best thing CNN has going for it is that neat computer screen wall thingy
that's cool.

But I find MSNBC's commentators and analysts more entertaining.

I don't watch tv to be informed. I go online for that.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:59 AM
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23. I watched CNN too last night, cause MSNBC had Hillary's biography on instead of election coverage.
But make sure not to see the bias in that, I'm sure your hyper- partisan nature prevents you from even seeing how tilted in Clinton's favor that it.

"Sorry Clinton I heard you ran out of money, how about we show your bio over and over."
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 02:55 PM
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27. So, did they leave out Monica or only devote 3 minutes to her?
Is that why you're upset?

I'm willing to bet, sight unseen, that they covered all the dirt in depth.

(disclosure--I get most of my news here.)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:32 PM
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26. I gave up MSNBC several months ago,
I'll occasionally watch the Abrams report but when KO started in with the snarky comments about Clinton, I decided I was getting too angry watching Countdown too. CNN's better overall, but Carl Bernstein is unwatchable IMO.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:02 PM
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29. I'd rather watch Fox than Lou Dobbs...truly...but..
The whole MSNBC "criminal channel" think that happens on the weekends and at 10:00 in the evening totally weirds me out. These DO NOT cator to the same viewers. Why is this stuff on MSNBC??? Like, why?

Other than that, I agree that CNN is winning out so far, but I do love Olbermann and Russert, perhaps even more than I hate Tweety. I do love that CNN is in HD though - that is cool.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:27 AM
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34. Yeah, the constant prison shows and
the catch-a-pedophile setup shows weird me out too. _Why_ do they do them?

I haven't given up on Keith yet, but he seems to have been pulled into the Clinton-bashing to a certain extent. There've been times when the only MSNBC commentors who make any sense are Rachel Maddow and Pat Buchanan, of all people. It's a very strange season there.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:07 PM
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30. you know, i wonder what the hell is wrong with both of these stations
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 03:22 PM by orleans
i turn one on, see a bunch of shit and then i flip the other one on, and see more shit.

i was doing that last night--thinking how interesting the primary wasn't being covered because msnbc was too busy running their crap shows (i forget what was on--was it lockup again or some other piece of shit)

and i flipped to cnn, i saw the sound cutting out on the youth vote and bill schneider talking about it--and thought to myself: KILL ME!

i check out the channel menu to see glenn beck is being rerun on "headline news" because apparently they can't afford to run real news

and gave up. ended up turning on some fluffy movie i can't even remember.

and bill bennett is a go to guy (i think at cnn now--saw him talking/being interviewed in a radio studio, behind a microphone--top button unbuttoned on his shirt--etch)

just think how wonderful it would be if there was an actual news channel that we could watch--one where the top three stories are NOT repeated every five minutes and the majority of time is NOT filled with crazy talk show hosts, one where government propaganda is unheard of, and corporate agendas do not exist. damn! that would be great.

in the meantime, i am, at times, watching shows on how things are made, all about alaska wilderness, people who whisper to dogs, hurricanes, and viewing old movies i haven't seen in years. sometimes pickings are slim.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 04:04 PM
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31. I stopped watching MSNBC except for KO a long time ago. They are shameless
whores. It is a complete disgrace what they have done to Clinton.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:09 PM
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32. i'm tired of MSNBC too. i haven't watched anything they call news
in a couple of weeks now. and i feel so much better and happier.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:34 AM
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35. The focus on individuals, and personalities,
obscures what's not covered. What the media *never* wants you to think about.

From, "There's nothing mainstream about the corporate media"

by Harvey Wasserman

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12742

Excerpt:

"As we stumble toward another presidential election, it's never been more clear that our political process is being warped by a corporate stranglehold on the free flow of information. Amidst a virtual blackout of coverage of a horrific war, a global ecological crisis and an advancing economic collapse, what passes for the mass media is itself in collapse. What's left of our democracy teeters on the brink.

The culprit, in the parlance of the day, has been the "Mainstream Media," or MSM. But that's wrong name for it. Today's mass media is Corporate, not Mainstream, and the distinction is critical...."


In the same way that we're inundated by 24 hour ParisTalk, or BrittneyChat, news people (K.O., Eugene Robinson, & Rachel Maddow as well as Tweety & Buchanon) have a *free pass* to talk about the perceived quirks, or individual, human qualities of the candidates.

It's actually a way of avoiding more substantive discussion, or honestly reporting on the fundamental problems those candidates are supposed to be addressing. (But too often fail to, themselves. Except for Dennis Kucinich, or Mike Gravel.)



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Oskie Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:42 PM
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37. I too am watching CNN more because
Chris Matthews has become unwatchable; Morning Joke -- a total wreck of BS laced with smary arrogance and lies. Dan Abrams is okay and nails his colleagues for their bias, but there's too much celebdrivel. Keith... I like a lot but even he's getting a bit snarky. And Shuster...gee I like him. I think his time on Morning Joke affected him. He went from straight-talk reporter to forked tongue/piss-mouth in a short time. So for me it's more CNN, PBS......and thank god, C-SPAN.
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Oskie Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:42 PM
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38. I too am watching CNN more because
Chris Matthews has become unwatchable; Morning Joke -- a total wreck of BS laced with smary arrogance and lies. Dan Abrams is okay and nails his colleagues for their bias, but there's too much celebdrivel. Keith... I like a lot but even he's getting a bit snarky. And Shuster...gee I like him. I think his time on Morning Joke affected him. He went from straight-talk reporter to forked tongue/piss-mouth in a short time. So for me it's more CNN, PBS......and thank god, C-SPAN.
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