Chicago Dem politcal machine hi-jacking Dem Party ?

[hill08]

Does anyone think that this campaign is merely Chicago Dem political machine, backed by Hollywood support(Geffen, Oprah) trying to hi-jack the Dem nomination and become the dominating power in the Party?

[FrenchieCat]

1. Do you have facts to back up this theory that you raise?

[hill08]

4. Look at the big wigs backing Obama

He claims to be an underdog, while being backed, from the start, by the Chicago machine and mid-westerners like Daschle

[Drunken Irishman]

6. Chicago hasn't had a machine that stretched outside the state of Illinois since the 60s.

[FrenchieCat]

14. Can you provide a bit more on this conspiracy.........

just would be helpful for you to make a case based on more than very few random facts sewn up together to equal to nothing, unless you have quite a bit more.


I could retort to you that the Clinton's have upcoming heavy baggage according to this.....and it is not just a loose set of unsourced opinionated facts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4505630

[Bicoastal]

16. This is the only current "Chicago machine" I'm familiar with.

[tridim]

27. Another "Chicago machine"..

[karynnj]

24. Against the poor little HRC, supported by the Clinton machine

The Chicago machine is basically in Chicago - the Clinton machine has been the dominant force in the party since 1992. I really have a HARD time seeing the soft spoken Daschle as the bogeyman.

[bellasgrams]

37. Daschle and his wife are lobbyists and know where their bread

is buttered

[karynnj]

38. Just commenting that the latest Clinton spiel is that Obama is the establishment candidate

She is the establishment candidate that is why we were told to shut up and accept her as the inevitable nominee - which she still may be , but she will still be the establishment choice.

[JVS]

29. So the Midwesterners are a conspiracy? WTF does that make the coastal establishment?

[jlake]

2. It's clear that that is the power behind Obama.

And that he is a frontman for their agenda.

[KittyWampus]

8. And the DLC/Clinton Machine Agenda = cover up again for the NeoCons. Keep the country split

50-50. Status Quo.

[no name no slogan]

3. Wow, now THAT'S a stretch

you give the Chicago "machine" far more credit than it deserves. If this post were from 1968 instead of 2008, it might sound believable. But not today.

[hill08]

12. however, it is working.

Still, no one has been able to explain the media fawning over the 1st term senator from Chicago whose major achievement was community organizing, whatever it means.

[kevsand]

36. The fact that you claim not to know what community organizing is speaks volumes.

You've got to be joking, right?

[Hailtothechimp]

5. Baseless speculation by a desperate Hillary supporter?

We've never had a Chicago president before. Maybe that's the problem.

[KittyWampus]

7. I think that there's a movement amongst Democrats nationwide to take back our party from the DLC

Neo-Liberal, Fascist-enabling, brown-noses that are the Clinton Machine.

[bunnies]

9. anyone need some tinfoil?

:tinfoilhat: I have extra!

[Bicoastal]

10. Plus, Obama has THIS guy on his side.

Myahhhhh, see?

[JVS]

11. Oprah isn't Hollywood, she's Chicago

And what's your problem with Chicago?

[hill08]

17. Chicago is one of the dirtiest political places in the US.

If you sleep with dogs, you are bound to get those proverbial fleas

[Bicoastal]

20. Oh, that's nice--reminds me of what Neo-Cons said about New Orleans, post-Katrina.

We can't defend our actions or run a positive campaign, so let's trash an entire city!

[Hailtothechimp]

21. the word is "fleas"

Your diction isn't any better than your theories, I'm afraid.

[hill08]

22. thanks for correction. just noticed it

[Hailtothechimp]

25. And another thing...

As a Chicagoan, I take extreme offense at your blanket statement about this city. It isn't perfect, but no place is. And to tar the city as you have done is just wrong.

[newmajority]

28. Where's Hillary from, again?

Oh, maybe that's where she learned all her dirty tricks? :evilgrin:

[karynnj]

39. Good point and she was in the Chicago area when the machine was far stronger.

[hill08]

26. there you go.

One more from Chicago

[vi5]

13. Yes, it's true. There's no doubt...

..that when you think of sheer, raw political power to the degree needed to move the entire country, that Chicago is the first thing that comes to mind. How a humble, rural bumpkin from the naive, innocence soaked heartland of lil' old Washington DC could ever hope to compete against the political juggernaut of Chicago is beyond me.

[Danger Mouse]

15. Not satisfied to drop that steaming load in a thread...

you decide to create an OP with it as well?
:puke:

[hill08]

19. because it is true.

Everyone has a machine these days. Obama just doesn't want to admit that he has one too and claims to be a challenger, David vs Goliath etc.

[Orangepeel]

18. Only people looking for an excuse

to explain a groundswell of support for a candidate that the entrenched Democratic establishment didn't expect to win.

[Robeson]

23. Yeah, sure. You also postulated that the United Church of Christ...

...was a "black supremacist church"... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4521538&mesg_id=4521702

Is this another fishing expedition? :eyes:

[Nailzberg]

30. Yes. Unfortunatly you didn't uncover our ruse sooner. It's too late for you now.

[TomClash]

31. Coming from Long Beach you criticize Chicago

You're kidding right? Check who controls your port next time you go by it. Or don't you know?

[AtomicKitten]

32. Surrender, Dorothy.

[hedgehog]

33. Hey, if the Chicago machine is behind this, maybe this time when

we win an election, it won't get stolen!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

34. Obama is getting more votes because he appeals to more people.

You can come up with all the conspiracy theories you want, but that's the simple fact.

[AP]

35. Yeah. They're taking it from Boston-Wall St.-DC Dem political machine. Aren't we lucky.

Wake me up when the people get control.

[Neecy]

40. it's true....

The morning of the Kansas caucus I had a member of the Chicago machine, complete with a machine gun in a violin case, rough me up until I agreed to vote for Obama. He kicked my little Pomeranian, too. Bastards!