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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:39 PM
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I love the reaction of Obama when told Kennedy would have to vote for Clinton
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:40 PM by bigtree
if the SuperDelegates were apportioned as he said he wants them . . .


Obama said superdelegates should follow the wishes of the voters.

"My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voter," he said.

When it was noted that Sen. Ted Kennedy is one of his superdelegate supporters, even though voters handed Massachusetts to Clinton on Super Tuesday, Obama said, "Well, I mean, we can make arguments back and forth on this."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/02/09/2008-02-09_hillary_clinton_and_barack_obama_battle_.html


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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:41 PM
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1. haha - I think alot of people are wondering how that is going to go.
Kennedy and Kerry.

We will never really know how they will vote, will we?
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:44 PM
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3. Is it a secret vote?
n/t
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:23 PM
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16. No. n/t
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:43 PM
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2. Weren't Super-delegates Created So They Could Change
the outcome? Is so, then Kennedy has every right to vote for whom ever he thinks should win. I am not saying I agree with the institution of Super-delegates because I don't. It was a very elitist concept and should be done away with.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:45 PM
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4. I agree. But what the buzz has been on this is
that Obama has kinda put his foot down saying that the super-d's need to vote the way their constituents did.
And he is right.

Mass is kinda funny...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:48 PM
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7. It's just a conundrum
There is no good solution to this anti-democratic construction. Obama's comments show that he won't be immune from trying to broker the outcome by exercising his own manipulation of the SDs. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but I don't think he'll ever be in a position where he can engineer a perfect outcome or a 'fair' one. Hillary either. Her own pursuit of these delegates is fraught with dangers of a backlash against some over-manipulation.

And, the convention is a mere 8 weeks from the November election, so it really doesn't help to let this thing snowball till then. Maybe voters can make the outcome more definitive by then.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:45 PM
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5. It always depends on whose ox is getting gored....
if they do away with the superdelegate thing, they should let the electoral college go along with it...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:47 PM
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6. Was he laughing as he said this?
because it sounds like a "ha ha ha" moment to me. Of course I could be wrong.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:49 PM
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9. I had the impression that it had just occurred to him. I'll see if I can find a clip.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:49 PM
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8. What a HOOT< HOOT
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:50 PM
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10. On the other hand, Obama did get some delegates out of
Massachusetts. Who says that Kennedy and Kerry can't represent those voters?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:52 PM
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11. Obama has, and repeatedly
He is on record repeatedly saying that those superdelegates should vote as their districts did.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:53 PM
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12. Ok, we give up Kerry and Kennedy if we can get Cantwell and Murray to replace them
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:54 PM
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13. Haha, gotta play by your own rules, Obama
I'm completely in favor of forcing superdelegates to vote as their districts did in a close nomination process as this one, even if it means Obama has to lose his most prized endorsement.
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Crooked Moon Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:55 PM
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14. obama votes "present" on issue of superdelegates.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:19 PM
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15. He was saying the superdeleates should vote the way the majority of pledged delegates do
Not that each individual superdelegate should vote the way their state does.

BTW I think they should just flip a coin if it comes down to it.
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