Kerry/Dean ticket?

[Darth_Kitten]

Why not? Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think, what an energetic pairing this could make!

[mzmolly]

1. I'd like to see it, but most would disagree with us...

:shrug:

[Dookus]

2. Because

two New Englanders isn't a good ticket. We should have a VP who can deliver more than Vermont. By that I don't mean Dean would ONLY win Vermont, but I don't think he brings any advantage in the states Bush won.

[bigwillq]

3. Would love to see it but

I'm still in the belief that a candidate shouldn't pick a VP who may or may not deliever a state. I like Richardson and would love to win Arizona but I don't think he is the best choice. Edwards if chosen probably won't give us NC or SC for that matter but think he is one of the better choices.

[mzmolly]

4. I think it depends on what happens with the war etc..

I think if all hell breaks loose in Iraq, Dean might be an excellent choice.

He is also a fiscal conservative and pro gun...

Carter thinks Dean would have appeal in the South, and SW ... I tend to agree.

But, I don't see it happening.

[molly]

6. Dean would NEVER even be any kind of choice

[mzmolly]

15. My that's profound...

Thanks for sharing :eyes:

Next....

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[molly]

32. NOPE

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[mzmolly]

42. Better edit that one quick...

hate to see people who I agree with on *certain* things banned ;)

[CTLawGuy]

58. she's too busy supporting progressive causes

such as the IWR and tax cuts to be nice :eyes:

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[madfloridian]

30. That is the kind of thing that needs to stop when it's over.

That is what I have been pleading about, to please stop insulting Dean and us since he is out of the race. What good does it do?

[RetroLounge]

141. Then I hope he is chosen

just to watch certain hateful heads explode...

[molly]

5. I would disagree immmensely

the Dean man went after JK like a pitbull outof hell - there is no such word as "FORGIVE" - the guy shoulda thought ahead

[bigwillq]

8. Obviously, it looks like Kerry

has "forgiven" and has "forgottwn" that part. I wouldn't push a Kerry/Dean ticket but I think Dean could help Kerry and the DEM party this election season.

[molly]

9. NOPE - tell Dean to stay out of it

[mzmolly]

17. Wow, ... touching really...

*snif snif*

[madfloridian]

34. Why do you have so much anger?

Dean would not be VP anyway, so why are you letting yourself get all upset?

[molly]

46. I want the man to disappear where he belongs - in Vermont

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[bigwillq]

81. You're "killing" me

mzmolly. Ironic that your user names are similiar but your views are not!

[mzmolly]

95. He he... yeah I know. I almost changed my name to "protect the innocent"

namely ME. :P

[bigwillq]

105. But if you change your name

don't you lose all your posts.Don't change it. Don't let people do that to you.

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[LittleDannySlowhorse]

120. Just like in the Club for Growth ad, right?

Sheesh...

[RetroLounge]

142. Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean

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Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean

Bwwwahahahahahahahhahahaha

[bigwillq]

51. You don't think Dean could help the party?

And help Kerry win the White House?

[molly]

67. He would be the BIGGEST non-plus in political history

someone said to me early on - a politcal party officer - that Dean was "too short" - look at the man - he looks like a very negative hobbitt. His attitude is truly Napoleon and he is very repressed. He cannot help anyone win anything. They guy is a liar and a loser. To prove me wrong, he needs to unseal his records. The people that supported him (typically - not everyone) were people that identified with him in some way. What does that tell you?

[mzmolly]

79. How bout people that meet with him asking for his support?

Seems Mr. Kerry has the right idea, and YOU have the wrong one.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

123. Interesting how there's no response to this

almost like you made a point or something. Hmmmm...

[mzmolly]

127. I give it about 5 minutes ... then we'll have some non-sensical rant

like. "Well, Dean is a but head!"

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[bigwillq]

82. I think you need to edit

Are you discriminating against short people ,I'm only 5'3".

[Zhade]

152. Are you saying that Dean supporters are "losers" and "liars"?

Is that what you're trying to say here? I'm not a Dean supporter (though he's far ahead of Kerry on my personal list), but that's going too far, if that's what you're saying.

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[redsoxliberal]

99. let me rephrase

why are you telling Dean to shove off when he has been a great asset to the party.

Kerry would not have a snowballs chance in hell if Dean had not energized us.

[bigwillq]

107. Hey, I totally agree

Not bad for a Red Sox fan. Just jokes of course about the latter!

[redsoxliberal]

108. Baaaahhh

"Just jokes of course about the latter!"


Kill yourself.






:-P

[bigwillq]

111. Excuse me

I hope this :-P is suppose to be a "joke" logo or a smiley of some sort. I was only trying to make a joke. Red Sox fans should be use to jokes by now and I don't mean any offense to that. Work with a lot of Red Sox fans and they make up jokes about themselves.

[redsoxliberal]

115. :-P = joke

I make up jokes about myself too.



This boys parents were getting divorced, and the judge was trying to determine custody of the child. He asked the boy if he wanted to live with his mom... he said 'no, she beats me.' The judge asks if the boy wants to live with his father, and the boy says 'no, he beats me.' The judge then asks 'who do you want to live with.' The kid replies 'the boston red sox. They don't beat anybody.'



ARGH. That was difficult to type.

[bigwillq]

138. LOL!

That shit was funny!

[molly]

113. Are you kidding me? LOL

[redsoxliberal]

117. how/why would I be kidding you

this is true. You know it.
How many of the younger people that wouldn't have voted will now vote because they feel they have an advocate in Dean. It will tip the balance. If the democrats win, Dean will have won it for them.

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. No such word as "forgive", huh?

That response speaks volumes about you. It really does.

[molly]

77. THANKYOU - that is a true compliment!

[GodHelpUsAll2]

170. Remember those words

When the Kerry camp needs money and bodies to do the grunt work.

[lastknowngood]

7. toooooooo much bad blood Dean will support him as an

alternative to the shrub other than that I don't think they see eye to eye on almost anything.

[molly]

18. Please - Dean is shrub in disguise

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. It wasn't Dean voting for the last 3 years of the Bush Criminal Empire....

..agenda, was it? :D

[bigwillq]

60. That's a knee slapper!

:thumbsdown: :boring:

[RetroLounge]

143. Poop

That's all this post is...

[Guaranteed]

168. Right...cuz it was DEAN that supported the war.

Amongst other things. Yeah.

[MarianJack]

10. I'd Like to See Gov. Dean...

...in the administration, but I doubt that a ticket with 2 New Englanders is a good idea, and I live in Maine, which is about as New Englander as you can get!

[molly]

11. I would not like to see him ANYWHERE

let Vermont have him

[Fleshdancer]

14. too much anger

who are you? Theresa Heinz? It's politics, not dating for crying out loud. Opponents aren't always nice to each other.

[molly]

16. You got it - Dean was NASTY as HELL and I will never forget

or forgive - I hope his career is OVER!

[mzmolly]

26. Annnnnyway.

:boring:

[molly]

114. NOW you think it doesn't matter

I will tell you that this guy is a pug campaigning in DEM clothes and if he ever steps foot in my state......

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

131. ... yes?

That's some bravery you have from behind the anonymity of your keyboard. You're really good at "standing up" to faceless strangers.

I bet if you met Howard Dean face to face you'd make a niiiiiice big smile and you'd tell him you voted for him, then talk shit about him the second his back was turned.

[AntiCoup2K4]

150. Did you just threaten Howard Dean's life??

Wow, that's out of bounds even for your usual unbalanced responses. And it even convinces me more as to whose side you're REALLY on.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

128. Artist's rendering...

129. you bad!

very bad:evilgrin:

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

133. Tee hee

Ya can't beat a good artist's rendering, I tells ya.

[mzmolly]

130. LOL

OY! That's a keeper. :)

[AntiCoup2K4]

151. and what rhymes with "keeper".....

... uh, deeper of course. As in the hole that someone is digging herself into.

[Zhade]

153. That's AWESOME. You should make it an avatar! :-D

NT!

[RetroLounge]

144. Yawn

:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
:boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
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[mzmolly]

19. LOL

:yourock:

[madfloridian]

36. We were told it was politics as usual when Dean was attacked .

I am not attacking Kerry, but you are still attacking Dean though he is no threat now. Why?

[molly]

41. Because I absolutely hate the man because of his supporters

here on DU - AMEN!!

[mzmolly]

43. Should I hate Kerry because of YOU?

Be careful you reveal your intelligence or lack there of with certain statements.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

135. Now THAT'S what I call working together!

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[Zhade]

155. Man, if that were the standard, Kerry would have NO supporters...

...thanks to people like yourself.

[Crunchy Frog]

62. I would love to see Dean run for Senate

I think he would be absolutely fantastic there. He could become the leader of the non pink tutu brigade.:)

He would be a tremendous asset in the Senate.

[Skywalker]

163. And who should we in Vermont replace?

Jim Jeffords or Patrick Leahy?

I don't think either should be replaced, though I am a Dean supporter.
Jeffords and Leahy along with Bernard Sanders make quite a good group if you ask me.

Mark

[Adelante]

12. Is peace breaking out?

Hallelujah! Or however you spell that.

[maddezmom]

22. don't think so

:)

[Crunchy Frog]

68. Doesn't much look like it.

:(

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. McCain is more ideologically aligned.

Forget it.

[Crunchy Frog]

72. With Kerry or

with Dean? I would have thought Dean myself.:shrug:

[Kahuna]

87. Dean called Kerry a republican and bush-lite...

Not nice. Not good. :puke:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

88. Decide for yourself:

McCain




Kerry




Dean





http://issues2000.org/default.htm#Candidates

[mzmolly]

97. Wow... interestink.

;)

[Crunchy Frog]

98. I've seen other grids

that showed Dean as being much more conservative than Kerry, but I don't place a lot of stock in any of them, as the criteria seem to be much to subjective.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

103. British (most likely the one you've seen before).

But agreed, very subjective.

[siden]

21. Why do so many people here think there's bad blood

between Kerry and Dean?

Overall, I thought this was a relatively tame primary season. The animosity felt between Dean and Kerry surely does not compare with Kennedy/Johnson or Regan/Bush 1 during their primaries.

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[mzmolly]

33. And, that has what to do with *the big picture*

:nopity:

[chocolateeater]

57. Welcome to DU.

:hi: Judging by this picture they have been able to put any bad blood they may have felt behind them, for the purpose of beating Bush.

[Khephra]

164. Correct

I keep on pointing out that Reagan and Bush were at each other's throats, but they put aside their differences and won one for the party. It's not unheard of for politicians to put aside primary differences to win.

And welcome to DU, Siden!

:hi:

[AvedonCarol]

23. It's not actually a terrible idea, but...

...it just doesn't seem likely. Dean has some good VP qualities in terms of campaigning - he could make mincemeat of Cheney in a debate, since all Cheney does is lie. It certainly won't be a repeat of Lieberman's performance.

Edwards' has a lot of good qualities, much to my amazement. I've tended to find him a bit too conservative on some issues that interest me, but his stump speech addressing the contempt the Bushistas have for people who work for a living - that is gold, we need more of it.

There are actually a lot of good choices. But I'm not committed to anyone in particular. I mean, you know I'm gonna vote for them whoever it is.

[bigwillq]

25. This is turning into a nasty little thread

I may have to stay away for the rest of the night

[mzmolly]

27. Certain people bring that.

:hi:

[molly]

37. I feel we won a victory that you people arrogantly thought was

yours - I love every single f'n minute of it

[bigwillq]

45. "You people"

Come on let's be grown ups now. Victory is yours and let's hope it is in November too. That should be all our goals.

[madfloridian]

75. Describe "you people".

Does it mean race, income level, education? What do you mean by "you people."

Democrats and Americans who love their country?

On Edit, meant to respond to the post before yours.

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[Kahuna]

92. You gotta admit. The Kerry-ites have well earned the right..

to gloat and say, I told you so. They took more grief than anybody else. They remained gracious and mature the entire time they were getting beaten down. They won. They came out on top. Mostly they are still very gracious. Molly is gracious too considering what she put up with.

Did I ever say, congrats to yu, Molly? You earned it. You deserve it.
:toast: :grouphug:

[mzmolly]

102. Sorry but i disagree...

:hi:

Sure they have a right to be happy, but to generalize and say *they* were gracious is over the top - especially considering the people taking part here.

[Crunchy Frog]

106. Amen!

I've never seen the Kerry people attack Clark and his supporters the way many of the more vocal Dean people did. The Kerry people patiently endured months of attacks on their candidate and themselves back when a Dean win seemed a fait accompli. Karma can be a bitch sometimes.

I never felt any negativity towards Clark and his supporters from the Kerry people. It has made it much easier to come around to their camp. It would have been much more difficult for me had Dean won the nomination.

[mzmolly]

110. That's because the race was a Dean vs. Clark race for a time

and a Dean vs. Kerry race for a time... it's not surprising that Dean was in the equation. He was the front runner, we were constantly attacked and on the defense.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist as they say ;)

[molly]

116. I have never attacked either Clark or Dean

I saw them as viable - electible - sane candidates

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[RetroLounge]

147. WHAT??????????

You funny girl...

:eyes:

[Zhade]

156. Do you not know how to read the very posts you wrote in this thread?

You've never attacked Dean?

Do you see water as wet? The sky as blue?

[molly]

119. Thanks - I am still getting beat up

but when we are in and we have won I will buy you a great big drink - THANKS!!!! :toast:

P.S. I won't stop fighting.

[bigwillq]

139. You shouldn't stop fighting

As a Dean supporter, I will never stop fighting for the cause either


edit: spelling

[mzmolly]

48. You know there are those that would love a Kerry defeat because of your

ilk too?

But, fortunately *I* put my country before some petty, nauseating, obnoxious, vile, hateful, spiteful, ugly, hardened Kerry supporters here on DU.

[bigwillq]

53. Couldn't have said it any better

:yourock:

[mzmolly]

59. T-anky!

:hi:

[chocolateeater]

69. Speaking of enjoyable moments.

:hi:

[maddezmom]

73. agree

gotta stay focused.... :) Kerry/(fill in the blank) in and bush/cheney out.

86. winning a victory

I was shocked that Dean got as far as he did, so I never arrogantly thought the victory was his. I wish he had gotten further.

There's something about the phrase "you people" that gets under my skin.

Born here in this country and having lived here my whole life , I wonder if there's some peculiar/unique American tendency to win and then rub people's noses in it or is that just human nature?

on every side of the political spectrum

[RetroLounge]

146. You people?

You mean Democrats?

[FarLeftRage]

39. Yes, I can vouch for that!

This "person" had the nerve to ruin my only thread...

[bigwillq]

47. Ok, I had to come back. Hi to my fellow

Dean supporter.:hi:

[mzmolly]

70. Hola

glad you stuck around. :hi:

[bigwillq]

94. I am now too

Have to stick up for the good doctor. Wow, some people can't seem to realize we all in in the same fight. Getting rid of Shrub.

[AvedonCarol]

101. Huh? Did I say something nasty?

I certainly didn't mean to!

[chocolateeater]

161. I think he was commenting on the thread in general.

Welcome to DU.

[Alex146]

31. Dean is a great man

but I think the media attack killed him. Rove would run the 'scream' every commerical break and the media would run it during their regular programing all the time. ESPN is still making fun of him (WTF?) I love Dean and I'm am still a Howard Dean Democrat, but he will not win votes.

[molly]

38. Ho-ho-ho-ho-ho

[madfloridian]

40. What an astute comment.

:hi:

[mzmolly]

44. Add that to the *list*...

;)

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148. So you beilieve in Santa Claus too?

EOM

[Duder]

49. I think it has potential

Dean brought in a lot of young people to the party and it's fairly obvious that Kerry has the bitter old maid voters locked up.

[molly]

52. Really? Most Kerry supporters that I know are extremely

well educated and successful yuppies? What is Dean's base?

[Duder]

65. Dean's base was also highly educated

In fact there was quite a bit of successful older supporters as well.

My impression of Kerry's base being bitter old maids and perhaps even drunks is mostly from here and in reading the anti-Dean crap on the Kerry forums. The reality is... his base were mostly the apathetic and least politically aware voters that decided at the last minute based on the Iowa and N.H. polls.

[molly]

71. Prove it - who are you referring to?

[Duder]

78. My proof is that was my impression

I'm sure that the real drunks and bitter old maids would know who they are.

[molly]

83. Well - are you sure there are any here on DU?

be specific.

[Duder]

100. Could I possibly be wrong?

Do you suppose that my impression that some are drunks and bitter old maids might really be indicative of some more serious condition?

As a Kerry supporter I would think that you'd have some insight on this, so if I'm wrong, please suggest what your impression is, if not drunks and bitter old maids.

[molly]

112. I do not know of any? As a matter of fact - most

have Iq's at least 50 points above Dean supporters - what does that tell you?

[Duder]

121. That tells me...

...that the person you got to do your IQ tests was probably an idiot.
The 50 point variance should have been your first clue, although had it been reversed I might have been tempted to believe it.

[molly]

122. OK - let's have it?

[Duder]

126. You can't have it...

...there's someone else.

[Zhade]

158. Haha! He shoots, he scores!

Nice post. :)

125. IQ is overrated anyway

as most of us would agree if we were talking on a different day, right?

[madfloridian]

66. Whoa! Are you going to question the viability of Dean's supporters?

I do not have the demographics handy here, but I would say one of the most common traits is intelligence, followed by an enthusiasm that is just about gone from all the putdowns.

Yuppies are good, too.

[molly]

74. Intelligence as proven by IQ, degrees, work, well-what?

provide a link to your demographics.

[madfloridian]

80. You are really getting upset, aren't you?

It is not good for you, and most of us have tried to be decent.

Winners are supposed to be gracious on the day when the losing candidate goes hat in hand and is kind and supportive,

Why can't you be gracious to us?

[molly]

84. You were NEVER gracious to us - turn about is

fair play and don't play innocent.

91. I've always been quite gracious

& I've been around here awhile. Always as in 99%, I'm sure I slip up now and then being human and imperfect
& I guess I'm one of those "Dean people" of the "you people" comment earlier although I prefer to view myself as an individual who supported Dean.

[madfloridian]

140. Molly, could you show where I was not gracious?

I asked the same thing earlier from someone else who lumped all Dean supporters together.

Just show me where I was not gracious, and I will apologize.

[Duder]

89. Here's an old link...

From a survey done by the Pew Research Center For The People & The Press

The survey detailed who supports the top-tier candidates.

In Iowa, Dean's supporters are likely to be young, college-educated, financially secure, liberal, against the use of pre-emptive military force and for gay marriage. Kohut called Dean's support "clearly the most liberal of the three front-runners."

Kerry's supporters share many of those tendencies - suggesting that the two candidates are competing for the same voters in Iowa.

Gephardt's supporters in Iowa are older, less likely to be college-educated, less financially secure, more conservative, narrowly in favor of pre-emptive force and solidly against gay marriage.

Union members in Iowa appear split almost evenly, with 28 percent for Kerry, 25 percent for Gephardt and 20 percent for Dean.

In New Hampshire, Dean and Kerry both appeal to college-educated voters, but Dean's supporters are more likely to be liberal and Kerry's are as likely to be conservative. Also, New Hampshire is more secular than either Iowa or South Carolina, and that helps explain Dean's strength there, the Pew survey found. Dean and Kerry split the Catholic vote in New Hampshire. Dean wins among Protestants by 2-1 and among those with no religious beliefs by 4-1.

[mzmolly]

93. Prove it - who are you referring to?

[molly]

109. Among my base of Delaware candidates, I do not know of

anyone supporting Dean? Do you?

[Kahuna]

96. Hmm. I seem to recall Kerry taking the young vote in IA..

Don't you remember it that way too?

[molly]

104. Age is just a number unless you are so politicaly

immature that you don't know the difference? This could be part of your poll. There are people supporting candidates that don't belong in the "real" world. The real world being that world where we can all surivie in peace and unison. That world in which there are millions of lifes at stake - it's not like your back lot sandbox where you can draw a line in the sand. It's all of us living together in some sort of global economy - we certainly cannot call it quits at tge incistence of a political baby - we need to think of all mankind. Isn't that what the United States of America was founded on>

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[Crunchy Frog]

50. No

they really don't complement each other, and are not a good fit. There was also way too much bloodletting between them during the campaign.

That said, I respect Dean, and think that he has done and will continue to do great things for the Democratic party. Just not in the role of VP.

[cosmokramer]

54. Won't happen.

[salin]

56. Don't see it happening... two new englanders

nah. Would like to see a mix of governor type experience on the ticket though (long since been a Graham fan - ironically as he is a bit to the right of me...)

The one advantage it would bring, is that Dean could be more pitbull - and rally the troops which respond to frustration and anger... and allow Kerry to appear more dignified - yet firm. The compliment with contrast could be effective - but would be risky - even without the dual new england dilemna. Don't see it happening, and while I like Dean, I don't really want to see it happen (too big of risks). Though I sure as h*ll would prefer Dean to say... Evan Bayh (why are some people still pushing THAT?!)

[Darth_Kitten]

85. But......Clinton/Gore.....two southerners.......

:evilgrin: That worked. :D

[union_maid]

134. If they both weren't from NE, but they are.

It's one thing to have two Democrats from the south, Like Clinton/Gore, but two from the Northeast and MA and VT, at that. I don't think it can happen. Other than that, it wouldn't be bad, but that's a real problem. It's not just a matter of picking one who'll deliver a state, it's conveying an impression that this one, not at all universally popular, region is taking over.

[Zomby Woof]

154. kiss of death

Kerry's numbers would plummet overnight.

[MurikanDemocrat]

160. Seriously, that would never happen because ....

the rules of politics is against it. It nothing personal on Dean - when a candidate loses the way Dean did, rising to the top for so long and then sinking like a rock, he is considered damaged goods.

Choosing Dean as a running mate would be political suicide for Kerry, and Kerry's poll numbers would tank overnight.

I'm being serious here.

Another reason is that Dean would be a distraction to a Kerry ticket. Kerry is the top dog, and Dean doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that can play second. He's gotta be the quarterback, and that's what people want who suggest he be on the ticket, really. Not a realistic ticket.

[yellowdawgdem]

162. I'd go for Kerry/Dean

I think this would be a fantastic pairing, and absolutely no way would they make any assassination attempts on Kerry with Dean as vp. I know it's not gonna happen, but would be better than anybody he's considering at this time.

[Finch]

165. NO NO NO....

... JESUS NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sometimes I wonder about this board's collective sanity...hum we have Kerry Massachusetts Liberal (that’s not a criticism) and Dean who most Americans and democrats now see as "wild man of the mountains"....look guys I hate to be harsh but get a clue Kerry doesn’t need to energise the base with a VP pick as someone on the DLC right of the party like Bayh, Nelson, Rendell, Breaux or Lieberman would have had to do had they been nominated he needs a moderate............. Mark Warner, Evan Bayh, John Edwards, Bill Nelson, Bob Graham or Mary Landrieu are the options in reality people....get a grip!... and lets win this thing and not even entertain such suicidal thoughts!!! Sometimes I’m glad this board is not close to mainstream democratic sentiment hell if some of….sorry I’m getting mad… I my apologies

[Darth_Kitten]

166. Most americans don't see Dean as a wild man....

I figure most americans don't know too much about ANY candidate.

Also, Evan Bayh as a moderate??? :shrug:

And I don't question MY sanity or anyone else's here, and please don't be dismissive of anyone's choices .....

My guard is up, it is whenever I read posts like this one. (the "right wingers are just regular joe moderates, can't you see that you deluded people" posts) :evilgrin:

[Darth_Kitten]

167. gratuitous kick

:kick:

[Finch]

171. look man...

...i'm not aiming to be hurtful...I'm aiming to be reasonable...no way is Dean viable!...no way would Kucinich every be viable at even a state level!...no way!... Sharpton is a menace and a crook IMHO he's a demagogue who's in this purely for his ego and unlike someone like Kucinich who's views i respect and know him to be a moral kinda guy Sharpton is morally sucumspect.... now I'm sorry if what i said seemed harsh but its true you put Dean as VP kiss good by to the white house for another three years and get ready for filibuster proof GOP majorities in both the house and the senate... now I don't want that so thats why I'm urging some moderation here... :hi: