Proud2BAmurkin
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:19 PM
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The desperation to call the race after a few meaningless caucuses and predicted primaries is due to |
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the Obamaniacs knowing that it's hard to sustain a novelty candidate for very long.
"Hillary should drop out now" and "If Obama wins the DC-area states it's over" are all about the knowledge that Obama's wins consist of small unrepresentative caucuses and states with large black populations, most of them that can't be won in a GE.
They are worried about a long stretch of time until the TX, OH, PA primaries where Obamamania will fizzle out because there is nothing to keep momentum going. That's why they try to make the most of wins in caucus states and states Democrats have no chance of winning in a general election.
Manipulating perception is really their strategy right now but that usually doesn't go very far for very long.
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:31 PM
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1. i'm not sure you're 100% correct |
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but i will concede that many of the early contests obama won will go repub in nov. obama can maybe turn a couple of red states blue...but i don't know which ones those would be.
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Proud2BAmurkin
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:38 PM
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2. I can't think of a single red state Obama has a chance of turning blue (against McCain) |
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and several he's likely to turn over to Republicans including PA
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:42 PM
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was red last time...but went for gore...mccain will take it...i'm not sure about ohio i guess obama could take va....but that's probly the only southern state he can win
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:46 PM
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4. No one OF ANY prominence either in media or the Obama camp has "called it" |
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But it IS true that Obama is now the front-runner. He has won the most pledged delegates (and reportedly delegates overall) as well as the largest raw vote total and is expected to win overwhelmingly in Tuesday's overall contests. Of course, Hillary could stage a comeback, if a scandal (eg from the Rezko case or elsewhere) or some other kind of media feeding frenzy sets in (as happened to Howard Dean).
But being the front-runner is NOT the same thing as calling the election outcome.
Nor is it valid to suggest that the places Obama has won so far, including primaries in Utah, Missouri, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina, Delaware, Connecticut and Illinois (w/New Mexico still up in the air) ... in ADDITION to the caucuses somehow aren't significant. If HRC won them (as in Nevada) no one would deny their significance.
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:57 PM
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8. Yes - and I can't fathom anybody calling on either candidate to quit... |
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Nothing wrong with acknowleging momentum - but any celebration by either canidate is way premature.
Just another post to rile folks up eh?
IMO, if Obama takes 2 of the 3 states you mentioned (TX, OH, PA) then --- and only then --- will he have momentum BIG enough to warrent talk of a real victory.
And I think there is a good chance that is exactly how it will go down.
He will sweep tomorrows states and 8 wins in a row is pretty damn impressive! But not enough to declare any kind of nom win --- not yet anyway.
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:49 PM
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5. This is what Rudy said before Florida |
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Face it, there's been almost 30 contests now and Obama is ahead. All candidates knew the rules going in so it was their responsibility to plan accordingly. No amount of spin will change the facts of Obama's success so far, and complaining doesn't make the Hillary Clinton campaign look good.
I can't wait to see what excuses will be offered if Obama beats her in OH, TX or PA. I see Ohio's biggest newspaper, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, has already endorsed him.
Meantime, P2BA, your comments about red states vs. blue states are rather disparaging to all the Democratic campaigners and voters that have come out to vote in those states already, and whose support will be just as important in the general election. One hopes that Hillary's Campaign isn't planning to just ignore those voters and their concerns should she win the nomination.
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:50 PM
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6. Hey, P2BA is predicting Obama's imminent doom yet again! Don't worry, champ, I'm sure |
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you'll be right one of these days. January 2017, to be exact.
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:13 PM
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12. After the end of the world as we know it, there will be |
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:24 PM
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15. And he will be sitting, amid the rubble and smoke, fingers tapping on a dust-covered keyboard, |
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"o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b"
He looks at the keyboard, and his eyes follow the frayed, broken cord. He glances up at the blown-out microwave he's plugged his keyboard into--and on the door of that microwave, the crudely-drown pencil, with "post" scribbled in marker beneath it. He jabs at it with his finger.
"o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m-a-o-b-a-m..."
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:55 PM
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7. 30 states have voted. That's the bottom line, murcky |
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You hate, but tough. that's the way it is. I understand that you're freaking out and badly need a diaper change. And your hang up about race is nauseating. I don't bitch and cry and shit all over because hillary wins the female vote or the latino vote, but you shit and bitch and whine endlessly.
It's clear as rain that you're the one worried, but you take it furter than that and freak out.
Lame.
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Mon Feb-11-08 03:59 PM
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9. Yes, those blacks, why can't they just shut up? |
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Your spamming and trolling is obvious to everyone except the mods, it seems.
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:12 PM
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10. The desperation to dismiss Obama's wins is due to ... desperation. |
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If the Democratic Party can't win with Obama, it's a sure loser with HRC.
Actually, as much as I dislike Hillary, I think the Dems can, likely would, win even with her.
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:12 PM
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11. The desperation to dismiss Obama's wins is due to ... desperation. |
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If the Democratic Party can't win with Obama, it's a sure loser with HRC.
Actually, as much as I dislike Hillary, I think the Dems can, likely would, win even with her.
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:15 PM
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13. Many here have been calling for her to drop out since her winning New Hampshire. |
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Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 04:16 PM by goldcanyonaz
I don't think she has ever had a legitimate win on this forum according to many of his supporters.
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Proud2BAmurkin
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:24 PM
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14. Nobody should be afraid of a fight especially the candidate with the MSM and GOP pushing for them |
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Mon Feb-11-08 04:26 PM
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It's amusing to watch.
Meaningless caucuses? You wouldn't be saying that if Hillary had won them. Predicted primaries? If your candidate is so strong, why did she lose? Why is she going to lose tomorrow? (Of course, those losses won't matter, either; they were predicted, and predictable, after all. Too many uppity black folk in Virginia and Maryland and DC with their own ideas about who they'll vote for.
And meanwhile Hillary's more or less broke, has fired her campaign manager, and is pinning all her hopes on big wins in early March primaries in TX, OH and PA...a smart move, obviously; that strategy worked out SO well for Rudy Giuliani, didn't it?
And winning creates its own monentum...as does losing...do you really think that the perception of Hillary as a loser that's going to solidify between now and March is REALLY going to help her win those big states she desperately needs? Somehow...I doubt it.
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