I fear it may be too late to prevent a Bush victory in November . . .

[OneBlueSky]

while black box voting has received some long overdue press lately, and while Hillary and others have proposed legislation to require an auditable paper trail for electronic voting machines, there's just not enough time to get the bill through Congress (which is unlikely anyhow) and get all of the thousands of installed machines hooked up with printers and appropriate software in time for the November elections . . . and I am thoroughly convinced that as long as BushCo controls the voting mechanism, there's no way they will lose the election . . . they will simply program enough machines to kick out the results they desire in enough key states to swing the election their way . . .

what's to stop them? . . . they can't be caught, and they know it . . . I'm also convinced that they've already done this with lesser offices with great success, so what's to stop them from doing it again? . . . the only hope we have left (and it's a slim one) is that the Supreme Court will intervene and mandate an auditable paper trail for federal elections begining this year (possibly in response to the lawsuit filed by that Florida legislator) . . . absent that, we'll very likely have four more years of BushCo, despite what the American people may want and what the polls may show . . . depressing as hell, I know, but that's the reality as I see it . . .

it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes . . .

[DemPoliticalJunkie]

1. how far can they swing it if this is true?

Maybe the Democrats can win it with a big enough margin that they can't even steal it. I'm not sure what you are suggesting really - skewing it by a few points on paper?

[fearnobush]

3. 10% We need to get 10% of the vote to win by the slimist of margins.

The BBV Campaign Slogan: If your are for no paper trail you are for stealing elections.

[DemPoliticalJunkie]

8. 10%??? That's a pretty big swing!!!

That sounds like a hard sell to me?? Swing an election by 10%?? I'm not sure I buy that..

[OneBlueSky]

6. they only have to skew it in a couple of close states . . .

say Florida and Ohio . . . remember, it's not the popular vote that elects the president . . . Kerry could win the popular vote handily but, with a little help from Diebold, lose enough close states to lose in the electoral college . . .

[draftee]

2. That plus

Democrats are stuck with this Kerry bonesman. Crap.

[OneBlueSky]

4. bull . . . in a fair election, Kerry would wipe the floor with Bush . . .

and he's growing stronger every day . . . and Bush is getting weaker every day . . . but unless something is done, this will not be a fair election, and Bush will win . . . just rigging the results in two or three states is all they'd have to do . . . they did it with Cleland's race and the governor's race in Georgia in 2002 and got away with it . . . no reason to assume they won't do it again . . .

[MasterKey]

5. Bush can't win without a huge Terrorist attack

Seriously, a huge terror attack and martial law is here, and here to stay. See how that works?

Masterkey-- :)

[OneBlueSky]

7. sure he can . . . if the blue and red states split approximately . . .

as they did in 2000, all BushCo needs to do is alter the results in one or two close states to insure his election . . . anyone think they won't do that? . . . that they're too moral and ethical to tamper with the vote? . . . hell, the CEO of Diebold has already promised to deliver Ohio . . . and I'm sure brother Jeb has promised to deliver Florida . . . does anyone honestly believe that they won't do whatever they have to do to stay in office? . . .

[hlthe2b]

9. Damn.. What a way to start a Monday morning.... No

I think they can swing a few percentage points, but I have to think the populace is waking up and it won't be all that close.

I HAVE to think that...