Hillary for VP, unrealistic. Hillary as SoS? What do you think?

[ORDem]

What are the qualities we need in a Secretary of State? Do you think Hillary matches those qualities? I think she'd be exceptional in this role as she's known worldwide, is likely a tough negotiator, and (not to be snarky) would know how to operate in such a visible role. She'd also be able to get a lot more done, not having to deal with all the posturing/lobbying in the Senate.

Just a thought!

:dem:

[TwilightGardener]

1. Uh, no. She already caused problems with Putin. Not a diplomat.

[NJSecularist]

4. And Condoleeza Rice is???

[TwilightGardener]

10. She's just an ineffective Bush sycophant. She's not fit for the job either.

[havocmom]

11. Proof that being a woman does not = being a good SoS?

Albright good

Condi bad

Proof gender is not a reliable factor in guessing outcome.

Hillary does not seem to sparkle in diplomacy. Not the best choice for the SoS post.

[Skip Intro]

16. But it was Obama who set of riots in Pakistan with a few careless words in a debate a few months ago

Maybe we should consider the qualifications needed for the top office before filling in the lower offices?

[TwilightGardener]

21. Please. His policy toward Pakistan is no different than the current

policy, in terms of attacking high-value targets over the border. We've already had troop incursions over the border, and there will be more--they will not be allowed to permanently harbor the people that plotted to kill our citizens. And Bhutto said Obama's policy was correct. Enough with this BS. And Obama didn't take a cheap personal shot at an unpopular world leader in order to look like a tough guy.

[Skip Intro]

26. nonetheless, he inflamed anti-American sentiment with careless words, and tipped his hand to those

targets, should they really be there.

How smart is it to tell an enemy your plan of attack a year or more out? How smart is it to pour gasoline onto a smouldering fire in a country that teeters on the edge of coming apaprt at the seams, a country that has nukes, btw?

Say what you will, Obama needlessly and carelessly caused this:



Pakistani protesters burn a U.S. flag to condemn U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama's remarks, in Karachi, Pakistan, Friday. Pakistan criticized Obama for saying that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes inside this Islamic nation to root out terrorists.
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doesn't exactly scream presidential, eh?

now what were you saying about Hillary?

[TwilightGardener]

29. Oh, he'll inflame even more--that's what a President does. He's not positioning

for popularity and to appease those who hate us, he's going to do what is necessary to catch the terrorists that attacked us and want to attack us again. His words were honest, and a warning. There will always be protests and American flag-burners in parts of the world that already dislike us. Pakistan harbors terrorists--simple truth, everyone knows it, whether deliberately or because they are powerless to do something about it. We will help them do everything they can to be a stable and functioning democracy, including monitoring their elections and giving them aid, but Obama is absolutely correct--he's saying if you don't take out the terrorists in your midst, and we are in a position to, we will. That IS Presidential.

[Skip Intro]

35. So inciting anti-American riots needlessly is a good thing.

gotcha

the guy's not ready for prime-time, he's not, but it doesn't matter, because either Hillary will be the nom, or McCain will be elected president.

[TwilightGardener]

37. You're weirdly hung up on some protests that happened months ago--where AREN'T there

already plenty of anti-American protests, for a variety of reasons, in many parts of the world? Does that drive our foreign policy and our defense policies? Should it? Of course not.

[Skip Intro]

39. Upthread you'll see my replies were in response to your assertion that Hillary was no diplomat

because she offended Putin.

I submit Obama is not presidential material because he telegraphed to our enemies his future plan of attack, while inciting riots in a nuclear nation on the brink of chaos.

Context is important.


Argue Hillary is not able to be SOS all you like, I think Obama's lack of finesse on foreign policy issues would be far more dangerous with the full power of the office of president behind him, and makes him far more vulnerable to McCain in November, should he win the nom.

[VolcanoJen]

2. Hillary for SCOTUS.

That's my position. And I think it's the one that serves us all the best.

[Eurobabe]

6. Hmm interesting, let me chew on it.

[VolcanoJen]

13. She would make such a kick-ass Justice.

And she'd drive "Scalito" nuts.

And you know what else? I think she'd lead the drive to get cameras in the Supreme Court. Let us see our Justices in action. Let us hear the arguments.

And you know what else besides that? She's young, and healthy, and could be on the court for decades. Her influence would actually outlast Obama's.

[Hobarticus]

22. Now this, I like...

[terrya]

45. Bear in mind, this is "what-if"

IF she doesn't get the nomination...this would be a great appointment.

As you said, she could be on the court for decades. She would be a reliable vote for us on the Court on abortion, gay rights, the environment, etc. And actually...I'm not sure that her confirmation would be all that difficult...she is a Senator...one of the Senate's own. I think she would be extended "senatorial courtesy" in that appointment. I could see some Republicans, like Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins or, heaven forbid, Arlen Specter voting for her confirmation.

If Hillary Clinton can't be President...I would thrilled to see her on the Supreme Court. She has the potential to be a truly great Justice.

[terrya]

12. IF Obama is the nominee....

And if Obama is elected...I like, very, very much the idea of a Justice Hillary Clinton. Yes, I know that the confirmation battle would be, well, somewhat difficult. The Republicans who hate Hillary will come out of the woodwork on this one. But I think Hillary would be perfect on the Supreme Court. She would be on the Court for at 20+ years. She would make a marvelous addition to the Supreme Court.

[Unsane]

20. Too old, hasn't practiced law in 20 years, never tried a case.

Obama will nominate a bunch of his UChicago buddies to the federal bench I predict.

[rolleitreks]

31. I think she'd make an excellent justice. n/t

[TheDonkey]

34. I'd like that!

I think we could use a mind like that in the SC.

[K Gardner]

44. I actually love that idea.

[Eurobabe]

3. Today, thanks to the nastiness of the

HRC supporters I don't want her anywhere NEAR a new administration. Maybe tomorrow I will feel differently, but man today I am just pissed.

[bluestateguy]

5. Hillary for a long Senate career

She's done a great job for New York, and we ought to keep her in the Senate.

[Medusa]

7. She was elected to represent the people of New York

And that is where she should remain.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Supreme Court justice

I think she'd be better suited to an independent role; I don't see her having a place where she has accountability to the executive in an Obama administration, to be perfectly honest. Her strength of personality would probably be more of an asset on the court than in a Cabinet post. (Not to mention the thought of all the right-wing heads exploding at 'Justice Hillary Clinton' is absolutely delicious...)

[calmblueocean]

9. Why not let her stay a Senator? God knows we need them.

I think the Senate is where Hillary does the most good.

[Yael]

14. Oh hell no

We need someone who can repair our image around the world, not antagonize people.

Joe Biden is that someone. :patriot:

[jaysunb]

15. Senate majority leader

perfect fit....imo

[blogslut]

33. I agree

If the repubs intend to keep up this nasty obstructionist crap, she would be perfect to fight them in their little games. I vote Hillary for Senate Majority Leader.

[housewolf]

17. Hillary for Senate Majority Leader

She'd make a terrific Senate Majority Leader, if we could dump Harry Reid. It would still be a historic appointment - the first woman Leader in the Senate. She's so knowledgeable and shw works well with the other party - she could make a tremendous contribution by legislating our new progressive agenda.

[Unsane]

18. Hillary as Senator from NY

[Exultant Democracy]

19. I want Al Gore as SOS. It would show the U.S. is serious about fixing the enviorment. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

23. I like Biden as SoS.

It really is kinda fun to spend a Saturday afternoon playing "Fantasy Cabinet."

:-)

[TwilightGardener]

25. I wonder, though, if he would be a good choice, for one reason--

I can't imagine him following Obama's directives. I can see him sort of doing what HE wanted to do, saying what HE wanted to say, on state visits and negotiations, thinking that he knew more than Obama. I am not trying to insult Joe, but he's a very strong personality, and very...uh...full of confidence about his foreign policy ideas. It might end up a little tense, shall we say. Just putting that out there for public consumption....

[nomorewhopper]

24. How about Hillary as Democratic Senator from New York

honestly, i just don't see Hillary taking the VP slot for Obama, and I just can't see her taking any position on their staff.

I've been around these campaigns. They are real people, and the attacks from both sides sting. There is too much bad blood now, and it will never happen. I doubt Hillary (who is running for Pres) would consider Sec State a nice consolation prize anyways.

[Skip Intro]

27. If Hillary doesn't win the nom this year, she'll be back in 12 ready to make president McCain

a one term president.

And she will, if this time around doesn't work out.

(no, I haven't given up on this time around - ;) )

[peoli]

28. /eyes rolling in the back of my head

[Whisp]

30. tough negotiator on whose behalf?

she represents big business more so than the needs of citisens.

so I would not want her negotiating some other sweet deal for her corporate friends for the people to pay for.

Don't trust her.

she should be Secretary of Retired from the public scene.

[OzarkDem]

32. Prefer her as president to fix the economic mess

and also to enact real health care reform.

Obama is weak, vague and untested in both of those critical areas. We should settle for someone with a proven background and that's Clinton.

[southern_dem]

36. I don't think she'd take it n/t

[maddiejoan]

38. I wouldn't consider HIllary for VP or SOS

Now President?

Yeah.

Perhaps Obama could be our new Secretary of Speeches.

[Kahuna]

41. That train has already left the station.....

ReadL Fat chance! :rofl:

[maddiejoan]

42. if you say so

:shrug:

[Kahuna]

40. No thank you. A SOS needs to possess sound judgement. She might

be barely better than Condi. But that's still not good enough.

[Hawkeye-X]

43. Just stick her back to the Senate..

Where she can continue to lie and distort her record and the eventually get her butt defeated in '10 for being too much DLC.