If you don't vote for the Dem in November, get out of here

[Taverner]

Just...get out

You are not a Democrat

You are not a progressive

You are a Republican Enabler

You are part of the problem not the solution

You are not welcome here

We are Democratic Underground, not Nader Underground or Peace and Freedom Party Underground. I'm sure they have boards. Go there and bitch about how "oooh oooh my candidate didn't win, so I'm voting for Nader/Myself/Eugene Debs. Wahhhhh I'm such a fucking crybaby! I still wet my shorts when I see shadows at night!!!"

And get this, I'm probably more radical than all of you. After all, I'm a Nihilist Anarchist. I think the best government is the one that governs the least. And I'm voting for either Hillary or Obama (or Gore, if some other parallel universe collides into Denver at the convention...) Why? Because both of them are part of the solution. Not the problem.

Sure, they both have lobbyists in tow. They both get tons of cash from corporate America. Everyone does. Nader took money from the GOP in 2000 - did you know that? Of course not, Saint Nader can do no wrong in your eyes.

Politics is not a bright eyed world for idealists. It's a world for the practical, the deal makers, the schmoozers. That's who runs for office. I should know - I covered politics as a journalist and worked for Congresscritters. The first thing you do is sell your soul, or you simply don't get elected. The only thing that matters is who you sell your soul to.

If you think things couldn't get worse, then think again. A war with Iran. A war with Saudi Arabia. US Troops in Jerusalem. Bibles in public schools. Coat hangers as contraceptives. Hell, anythings possible with that fucknut McCain. He's smarter than Bush, and crazier than Cheney. THAT IS NOT GOOD. At least Bush was too stupid to get any of his pet projects done (you remember, his plan to steal Social Security?)

So before you think you're sooo fucking cute with a vote for None of the Above, consider how you'd look in prison orange.

[jakem]

1. does the democratic party have a monopoly on democracy?

just asking...

[Taverner]

4. That statement makes no sense

Non sequitor is how some would describe it.

In fact, its about as useless and jingoistic as "freedom ain't free"

Stick to bumper stickers.

[jakem]

7. it is a real question.

slow down there slogan boy-


is DU purely about the democratic party, or is it about democracy. i had not really though about it before, as i tend to link the two together as do most of us in here-


but trust me, i am no more committed to the democratic party as the party is to democratic ideals.

this is not a trivial or bumper sticker point, despite the 3 second attention span of some in here...

[Taverner]

12. Democracy is an intangible object

Not a physical thing. Monopolies are unfair economic control of marketable goods.

I could not sell you a democracy. I could sell you a Democrat, perhaps. I could sell you a Democracy Rules T Shirt. But I could not sell you a democracy.

[jakem]

23. sorry, you lost me.

have we moved on to surrealist arguments?

see below. was not talking about definition 1


mo·nop·o·ly (m-np-l)
n. pl. mo·nop·o·lies
1. Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service: "Monopoly frequently ... arises from government support or from collusive agreements among individuals" Milton Friedman.
2. Law A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a specified commercial activity to a single party.
3.
a. A company or group having exclusive control over a commercial activity.
b. A commodity or service so controlled.
4.
a. Exclusive possession or control: arrogantly claims to have a monopoly on the truth.
b. Something that is exclusively possessed or controlled: showed that scientific achievement is not a male monopoly.

[Hawkeye-X]

2. Remind me to buy a beer of your choice at your own tavern!

I like your thinking. I'm a Democratic Socialist myself - all of my candidates are already gone. (Psst.. DSA has already endorsed for Obama)

Hawkeye-X

[Taverner]

8. I might just take you up on that

I voted Obama, but honestly I could have gone either way. Hillary's a fighter - and she's pissed. Very fucking pissed. For me, that's a major point in her favor. Obama is more liberal however, and that's why I voted for him.

If I believed in a deity, I'd be praying every night for the dream ticket (Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama) because that would give us a FOR SURE win. Talking landslide here.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

3. Agreed

Look at the FISA bill. EVERY damn repuke votes for stripping our fourth amendment rights. If you don't vote against the horrid monstrosity of a party because some guy on the internet annoyed you, get out of my sight!

[blogslut]

5. Hear Hear!

I will vote for the Democratic candidate in the GE. :hi:

[stray cat]

6. What is McCains web site for those who are helping him win in 2008?

by sitting on their hands and not voting for the dem candidate.

[gaspee]

9. I'm quite open about it

I'm writing in Gore, most likely, in the general.

I live in RI where my vote really, really, really doesn't matter.

RI will vote 80-90% for the democratic candidate.

I am not part of the problem for exercising my right to vote the way I see fit.

That said, if I lived in a state where the D was expected to get less than 60% (yes, 60%) I would vote for the D. Even though voting for Obama would be very, very, very hard for me to do. Clinton would be tough, but not as tough as Obama.

[Taverner]

10. Maybe you should write in H.R. Pufnstuf?

After all, he's where you go when things get rough...

Makes as much sense as writing in Gore.

[gaspee]

13. Ah

But I really do want Gore to be president. I wouldn't mind a Gore/anyone ticket.

I know it will never happen, but I can dream.

I think Gore is one of the only people who can navigate us out from this mess we're about to find ourselves in. Georgie and company are doing everything they can to keep the wheels from falling off before 1/20/09 - after that all the stop gap measures fall apart and we're facing some serious problems that are gonna get dumped on the D's head.

I can wish someone qualified was going to get the position, no matter that it won't happen.

[Taverner]

17. Hillary is qualified. Barack is qualified.

McCain, is not.

[terrya]

11. I'm here to stay, then.

John McCain is not suitable, nor acceptable to be President. Simple as that.

[Tesha]

14. Is it already time for the daily loyalty oath? How time flies! (NT)

[noamnety]

15. Well. This is constructive.

"before you think you're sooo fucking cute with a vote for None of the Above, consider how you'd look in prison orange."


lol

:eyes:

[donheld]

16. Hear Hear 2

[Greeby]

18. Umm, I'm British

So unless there's a General Election called for November and I vote for the Liberal Democrats, does that mean I have to leave too?

[QC]

19. Is it already time for today's loyalty oath?

How time flies!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Conform!! Conform!! Or, the bogeyman will getcha'!!

An Anarchist spouting party loyalty and obedience? :rofl:

"Freedom for the supporters of the government only, for the members of one party only - no matter how how big its membership may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always for the man who thinks differntly." Rosa Luxemburg


"Freedom is the absolute right of all adult men and women to seek permission for their actions only from their own conscience and reason, and to be determined in their actions only by their own will, and consequently to be responsible only to themselves, and then to the society to which the belong, but only insofar as they have made a free decision to belong to it." Mikhail Bakunin

[pbca]

21. Not to mention

That what he/she is spouting ARE NOT the rules of the board

"We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals. While the vast majority of our visitors are Democrats, this web site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, nor do we claim to speak for the party as a whole."

So he's presuming to be able to define the words progressive and democrat and redefine the rules for a site he does not own

That's facism, not anarchy or anthing of the sort.

Taking this as a joke and moving on.

[mzmolly]

57. DU does urge that posters here be "generally supportive of the Democratic Party".

:hi:

[Indenturedebtor]

61. Rules of the board or not

Not voting against McCain is the same thing as voting for him. There is too much on the line to take nearly completely meaningless principled stands that are not noticed by anyone.

[mudesi]

22. And if Lieberman was the nominee?

It never ceases to amaze me, these loyalty threads that come up every now and then.

No, a DINO is not a Democrat, and if Joe Lieberman was the nominee, even though he would have a "D" next to his name, there would be no point in supporting him.

[Taverner]

62. He's not. eom

[kid a]

24. exactly! kick and rec.

[apocalypsehow]

25. I agree. I'm voting for the Democratic candidate in November no matter who that turns out to be.

n/t

[Political Heretic]

26. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

...I guess we learned from the Republicans over the last eight years.

I'll be voting for a democrat, despite your dumbass post.

[Donnachaidh]

40. exactly!

It's wonderful how so many use FEAR to try to scare people into their way of thinking.

[mzmolly]

58. If the thought of another Republican Presidency isn't "frightening"

I don't think we've learned much in the last eight years?

[Political Heretic]

63. The thought of planes crashing into buildings is frightening too

Doesn't mean that it should used as a bullying tactic.

[mzmolly]

68. Glad you brought that up. Republicans allowed that to happen as well.

It's ridiculous to suggest that we Democrats here at "Democratic Underground" pretend we are not partisan. I suggest THAT is the bully tactic.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

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[orleans]

37. LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :spray:

[NMMNG]

41. It seems these loyalty oaths are more frequent lately

Everybody thinks they own the place. :eyes:

[Little Star]

67. How true. n/t

[peace13]

28. It is this kind of post that drags DU down. n/t

[LordJFT]

29. thank you

[flyarm]

30. should we follow Mrs Obama ...when she walks out first? eom

[Clinton Crusader]

43. Yes, I recall MRS. Obama saying she wouldn't support Senator Clinton...

And I recall MR. Obama saying his supporters wouldn't support Senator Clinton...so I guess they lead the line out the door?
:shrug:

[no name no slogan]

44. You got a link?

Or are you just talking out your arse?

:shrug:

[Clinton Crusader]

45. Here ya go...

If all us Clinton supporters are supposed go catatonic and follow a bozo like Obama, then we're supposed do what he says right? Or are we supposed to do what his wife says? Gee, I dunno! What a dilemma!

Michelle Obama: " I Would Have To Think About Supporting Clinton If She Is The Nominee"
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/4/124123/6787

I'll search for the other now...

[no name no slogan]

48. The question was "will you WORK FOR Hillary Clinton"

NOT "will you support Hillary Clinton". There's a BIG difference between those two questions.

The spouses of ex-candidates are not obligated to become campaign spokespersons after the primaries are over. Did you see Howard Dean's wife on the campaign trail for Kerry in 2004?

[saracat]

60. Seriously bad example. Judy dean barely campigned for Howard and then only under duress!

That was a huge issue back then. But I agree wuth your point!

[Clinton Crusader]

47. The rest

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true.

more--> http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx

[no name no slogan]

49. Again, he is making a STATEMENT-- not issuing a COMMAND

Obama said that some of his supporters probably could not vote for HRC. Howard Dean said the same thing in 2004, and like it or not it's probably true. I'm sure a lot of Bradley's supporters in 2000 probably voted for Nader, too, after he lost the nomination.

Saying that your supports may not vote for your opponent is A LOT different from saying "I will not support my opponent if she is the nominee".

Nice try.

[Iceburg]

53. Should we follow the MrsObama school of voting?/nt

[LisaL]

31. Well, who died and made you king?

:eyes:

[Pathwalker]

32. Bullyimg tactics don't work on me. Neither does name-calling,

insults, threats or intimidation. If you want to convince me that your candidate is the better one, then at least try to convince me by touting your candidate's stand in the issues, don't go all high-handed authority figure on my ass - I'm a grandmother, and I don't intend to suffer(agette) being ordered around by someone claiming to be Skinner on the week-end.
I have been a Democrat my entire life, and I don't intend to sign a loyalty oath at this late date. I guess you'll excuse my "emotionality"; you see I've been in a BLUE PERIOD ever since 12/12/2000, and it appears my Blue Period is going to last until 1/20/2009, when it may or may not go into a Pause.
I know fully well what's at stake in this next election, my two youngest sons are still draft-age; if I am still having doubts at this stage of the Primaries!, then, I would think it is necessary to at least treat my doubts as a subject worthy of discussion, not a reason to ORDER me to leave the party. Do you speak as the National Voice of The Democratic Party, or just as a DUer claiming to speak for Skinner?
I think that is a question YOU should answer, before you seek to bully Democrats into compliance!

[stray cat]

33. What candidates are you trying to decide between?

Obama and Clinton or Obama and McCain, or Clinton and McCain? McCain beats most of the republicans running but my preference is still either Obama or Clinton because I want to keep my health care, social security and my employment in a scientific field.

[Pathwalker]

38. I have never voted Republican in my life, and I never will.

I've got at least a dozen Democratic friends who are refusing to vote AT ALL this November, and they want me to join them. I'm still pondering it, because I am unsure of where one of them really, really stands on the issues that matter most to me. Usually, that candidate's supporters call me names, insult me, tell me "I'm not worthy", or automatically put me on ignore. Or now, threaten me with being purged from DU.

[KamaAina]

34. If you're going to write in...

...you might as well write "I really don't mind four, or even eight, years of President McCain all that much."

[orleans]

35. my god! i get your point--i'm voting for the dem no matter what

but telling people to get out of here?

that they are not welcome?

hey--i'm a part of this community and you certainly don't speak for me--


i understand your anger/frustration but i don't see that it's a very democratic thing to be dictating how democrats vote.


you might want to rethink how you define yourself: "After all, I'm a Nihilist Anarchist"
since you feel so strongly about telling people to get out of here if they don't behave the way YOU want them to.

[mike_c]

36. oh dear, it's a mob of one....

Dude....

[Donnachaidh]

39. someone needs a nap

:eyes: :rofl:

[shadowknows69]

42. I once said that I'd never vote for Clinton if she won

I've since come to my senses. Anything is better than President McCain.

[mondo joe]

46. If Michelle 0bama isn't sure she can support the other candidate why do I need to be

sure I can support her husband?

[Raine]

50. I'll follow my conscience and do what is best

for the Democratic Party in the long run, that's all I'll say on the matter.

[nonconformist]

51. My vote needs to be EARNED.

I have been a Democrat all my life. I was raised a Democrat, and when I turned 18 I registered as a Democrat. I've voted in every election since, straight Democratic ticket. Yellow dog all the way. I've never pulled a lever for a Republican in my LIFE, nor have I ever just sat out an election. If there is a Republican on a ticket running unopposed, I abstain on that specific vote rather than vote for them.

Guess what? Everyone has their breaking point, and I have reached mine. How DARE a Democrat pander to Republicans over ME. How DARE a Democrat throw entire chunks of the Democratic base under the bus because it's politically convenient. How DARE a Democrat use right-wing talking points on key Democratic issues. How DARE a Democrat think that my vote is in the bag. Obama said that he will get Hillary's voters, but she won't get his. How DARE he.

No, my vote is not just a vote to be counted on any longer. If Obama is the nominee, and he wants my vote in November, he has to EARN it.

I will never vote for McCain, or any other Republican. Maybe I can muster up an anti-McCain vote in November... maybe. BUT DON'T COUNT ON IT. If you want my vote, you have to earn it.

[Hepburn]

52. I truly detest Hillary Clinton to the very core of my being...

...and I have always pretty much felt this way about her. The campaign she has run and her supporters on here have intensified the negative feelings I have about her to the point that I am repulsed when I hear her voice.

However, that being said, if she unfortunately is the nominee, I will go to the polls and vote for her because the only thing worse than having her as POTUS would be having that insane asshole senator from Arizona in the WH.

[saracat]

54. "you" do NOT get to decide who is welcome here. Many good Dems don't like their choices.

As long as they don't "campaign" for the other side, another party or denigrate our nominee, their vote is theirs to cast as they wish.And it isn't your place to determine their status as a Dem or their welcome on this site. Get over yourself.

[flyarm]

55. quote"At least Bush was too stupid to get any of his pet projects done "

i believe close to 4000 soldiers families and over 1 million Iraqi families would argue with you.

fly

[Midlodemocrat]

56. .

:thumbsup:

[Spider Jerusalem]

59. A nihilist anarchist?

Do you even know what that means? It doesn't much sound like it, unless this entire post is theatre.

[GoldieAZ49]

65. It does read as exactly the opposite n/t

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

64. K&R! We can't afford to deal with President McLame! n/t

[OneBlueSky]

66. "You are a Republican Enabler" . . . "You are part of the problem not the solution" . . .

um . . . have you looked at the record of the Democratic Congress lately? . . .

[Iktomiwicasa]

69. Listen here

My people have been repeatedly screwed over by politicians from BOTH major parties, and I reserve the right to vote my conscience and in the best interests of my people. If you think you have some moral standing to tell me to do otherwise, you are sadly mistaken.

[tomp]

70. make me, nt