OK. Hillary is starting to piss me off.

[trof]

And you don't care.
Why should you?
;-)

But this nickel and dime crap about 'plagiarism' is just...well...PICKY.

It's third grade stuff.
"TEACHER! HE SAID A BAD WORD!"

And it's not doing her campaign any good at all.
"Oh gosh. Obama repeated something in a speech that some other guy said in a speech. WELL! I sure can't trust the guy now. Or vote for him."
How juvenile is that?

I'm still ABBoMc..
Anybody But Bush or McCain.
If she gets the nomination, I'll vote for her.
But now I'm feeling more 'hold-my-nose-and-do-it' about it.
Damn.

OK, hit me with your best shot.
<dons body armor>
:-)

[JKaiser]

1. Obama has no true voice! He is a copycat!

[Moh96]

3. and we should vote for Hillary because he used the same phrase that his best friend said

wow, i am sure she will make great president

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

31. You boiled that one down.

:thumbsup:

[grantcart]

73. and that he had already repeatedly publicly attributed to him

[trof]

10. I thought he was a baritone.

But I could be wrong.
I've never heard him sing.
;-)

[Cha]

45. And you sound

stupid.

[trof]

48. Sorry. This is a 'no-name-calling' zone.

Lemme see your license and registration.

[grantcart]

74. I loved Pogo by the way

I have met the enemy and he is us>

I still remember reading that in the newspaper when the strip came out and then how it became folklore thru history.

[earthlover]

55. So can you explain why Hillary used phrases right out of Obama's?

Fired up to stamp out Hillary Hypocrisy!

[ClassWarrior]

95. But that's different!! Why do you hate women?!

:rofl:

NGU.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

72. ROFL!

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

83. Rigggghhttt

Its not like Hillary has speech writers...

[karynnj]

91. Not true - there are threads through his books and the 2004 convention speech

that are consistent. I saw a Patrick rally in 2006 and there is a great deal that is similar in the two campaigns. They have Axelrod in common, but so did Edwards 2004 and he sounded very different from them.

Here's a little test though - see if you can do either of these for Obama and Clinton:
- Close your eyes and remember (at least close to) word for word lines they have said. I can remember some Obama comments, but not HRC ones.
- Consider if you can "hear" either in printed text of their speeches or comments.

Everyone has a speechwriter, but I assume that many add there own pieces. You can also tell that his off the cuff comments have some of the same words, phrases and feeling. This was even true with some things I've heard him say in the SFRC over the last few years. Although those hearings were on CSPAN, it is highly unlikely that someone scripted his comments then.

[JTG of the PRB]

2. I'm with you!

I WILL vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, because she'll be much better for our country than McCain would. But, I'll have to hold my nose as I do it too because I think Obama is the president we need for this country right here, right now.

[earthlover]

56. I normally would agree. I have never voted Republican in my life.

I won't this year either. However, it is getting harder and harder to hold my nose to vote for Hillary this time after all this negative crap. She won't win anyway. I just hope to hell Obama gets the nomination. After all this, I may vote for hillary if she gets the nomination, but only if she wins the popular vote in the primaries. Normally, I would just go along. But heck her sole motivating force is power, and she will do ANYTHING to achieve it. I am really not so sure I can vote for THAT. She has a LOT of convincing to do for me now. And it should start by her stopping this negative dirt mongering. It is really sad, because when this campaign began I respected Hillary and wished her well, even if I preferred Clark at the time. I never dreamed her campaign would be so crass or so craven.

[Dawgs]

4. I agree with you. I actually think this will hurt her much more than it will help her.

Doesn't matter though. She will not be the nominee.

[fight4my3sons]

5. I'm with you too.

Didn't even have the "hold my nose" to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination attitude, but I am getting there with every passing day.

[CorpGovActivist]

93. .

[LizW]

6. It is picky. And stupid. And yet...

It is EXACTLY the type of attack the Republicans will make. Rove's mantra is "attack the strength". He loves to hit an opponent RIGHT on the strongest thing.

Obama's strength is his eloquence. If Rove is able to attack that, and make it seem contrived and fake, it will really hurt -- when it counts.

If Obama can weather this, and it looks like he will, he will be the stronger for it. Far better for this thing to get over with now, than next September or October.

[earthlover]

60. You're right...but it is sad that Hillary is so Rovian

But she sure can cry

[FrenchieCat]

7. Goes with the Kindergarden paper......

[MonkeyFunk]

8. I thought the whole thing with a bit silly myself

but seeing the reaction of the Obama supporters, I'm starting to think there's something there.

[grantcart]

75. Well that was the same logic that they used on James Stewart Service nt

[tularetom]

9. I'm in the "hold my nose" camp too

but my wife is so furious with both Clintons she is threatening to sit the general election out.

And this is a biggie with her as she has voted Democratic in every presidential election since we've been married (Johnson v. Goldwater in 64 was the first).

I think she has picked some very poor advisors which is not a good omen for her potential cabinet and presidential staff.

[trof]

12. Miz t. likes Hillary "because she's a woman".

I learned long ago never to argue politics with her.
It's a losing proposition.
If I lose, I lose.
If I win I still lose.
;-)

[rove karl rove]

11. srill a Hillary supporter, for the most part, but.....

she now really seems to be shooting in the dark and hoping one random bullet hits the target.

[Rowdyboy]

13. Their main problem is they have so few real policy differences that they need to invent issues

At least they seem to think they need to. Its starting to depress me and I like both of them.

[trof]

32. 'Zackly. I'm for no more 'debates'.

And no more negative ads.
We don't need to tear each other apart.
That could really lose it for us.
And it's ours to lose, right now.
Just tell me what you want to do and how you're going to do it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Plagiarism destroyed Biden's first Presidential run. Of course, BO will get a free pass, I'm

sure.:eyes:

His WHOLE CAMPAIGN revolves around his oh so wonderful speeches and now we find out he STEALS THEM? Come on!

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Yeah, I'm sure Hil just wings it every time she stands up.

:eyes:

Give me a fucking break.

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. This isn't about Hil, now is it? It's about OBAMA plagiarizing a speech he called his OWN.

Let's keep the spotlight on the plagiarizer...not on Hillary.

[Liberal Veteran]

57. Uh-huh. Don't get your hopes up sport. Hillary Rove doesn't need your help.

Up until today, I was perfectly content with supporting and voting for each of the candidates.

In one fell swoop (if you'll forgive the plagiarized phrase), she just became a very unappealing candidate.

Our party could have done so much better than bringing back last decade's rotting detritus as the height of what we can offer.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Yeah, well, you can bet the Hillary supporters feel the same about your plagiarizing

candidate.

[Liberal Veteran]

88. Oh, my bad. Are the Hillary supporters gonna follow her lead and cry on me?

Or are they going to try to get me fired from my job?

[earthlover]

66. Hillary sure says "you know" a lot....she really is a poor speaker

And she has speach writers.

That reminds me. That book Hillary wrote was really written by a ghost writer. Even though she never gave the ghost writer credit.

Ah...it takes a village....not hillary's words although she claimed they were....

[in_cog_ni_to]

85. Obama plagiarized a speech. He admitted it. He's a fraud. end of subject.

He's been exposed.

[Blue-Jay]

21. Hey!

Tell US again HOW obama smokes CRACK, WOULD you?

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Only negative Hillary posts are allowed.

You can just wait for Drudge and the RWers to break the story soon. If I heard it on C-SPAN, of all places, THEY know about it. Go ahead and let the McCain camp use it against him in the GE...should he be the candidate. It'll destroy the Dems chances of winning. It needs to be addressed before the election, but go ahead and keep your eyes closed. You'll see what will happen soon enough.

[Recursion]

77. Biden lifted an entire speech from another country

And put his name in the place of the original speaker's name.

Obama quoted his friend, with whom he had worked to develop a lot of the material they both use, and in some cases didn't attribute him.

Yeah, that's apples and cement mixers.

[trof]

15. 7 recs?

Jeez guys.
I don't know what to say.
This post ain't that good.
Thanks, I guess.
:shrug:

[Rowdyboy]

38. Man if you post a thread vaguely antiClinton it gets 10 quick recs....If you post

a thread vaguely anti-Obama it get 10 quick recs. They lie in wait for a chance to pounce on each other. Kinda like dodgeball in 8th grade PE, brutal and heartless.

[trof]

44. Ah. Thanks. Now I understand.

I don't come in here much.
They warn about it in the Lounge.
;-)

[11 Bravo]

80. If you posted "Hillary sucks n/t" ...

some of the deep thinkers here would rec it to the "Greatest" page within minutes.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Yeah, she's ticked me off as well. I am almost to the point of sitting out the election if she...

...gets the nomination.

I am really fucking tired of her strategy of tearing down other people to make herself look better.

It's the strategy of fake christians who scream about how bad everyone else is so they won't notice how horrible the accuser is.

[trof]

18. Please, PLEASE, PLEASE...don't do that.

Please?

[GarbagemanLB]

23. That poster is not alone. I likely will not be voting for Clinton if she wins the nomination. She is

not what this party represents, and I am disgusted by her tactics and her refusal to admit wrongdoing. Talk about another Bush. It will be third party or write-in. Of course I won't vote for that douchebag McCain.

[trof]

27. Come on guys. It will be 2 choices.

Staying home is a vote for McCain.
Please tell me you won't do that.
Please?

[TZ]

29. Then you might as well

condemn us to 4 more years of the same crap that we have now. Plus the end of Roe vs. Wade. Plus no funding for stem cell research. Plus evolution and ID being taught alongside evolution. Plust the troops staying in Iraq for 100 years.
No FDA, no USDA, no regulation..Need I go on?

[earthlover]

70. You have a point, but Hillary could not beat McCain anyway, so so what?

If we are so dumb as to nominate someone with such high negatives we deserve 4 years of McCain!

You know why McCain will thump Hillary? It is not because Americans would prefer a Republican, they don't. But they would rather have an authentic president than a phony. McCain is not what Americans would prefer, but they sure as hell don't want a phony politician who doesn't care about anything except total absolute power.

[TZ]

78. I'm not ENTIRELY convinced that McCain would beat her

He's despised by the conservatives, and lately his flip-flopping has irritated the independents.
We shall see. I would much rather see Obama get the nom, but I certainly am going to vote D come November no matter what.

[jconner27]

84. Do you Obama supporters one better

I'm having a good laugh at the cult of the Obama, let's do a reality check one in S.C. team Obama try with aid from the whore media to twist Bill Clinton comment as racist as your saint obama stood by and go oh I know it's not racist while he let his flunkies scream OMFG Bill Clinton is a racist. And let's go on to Obama using RNC talking points to describe the Clinton term in office. But I do the Obama supporters one better if your guy gets it, not only will I not support him, I will pass on RNC attacks on him as facts.

[earthlover]

89. First you deceive and distort then you promise to divide....supposed to be impressed?

I would invite you to join the democratic party.

[Liberal Veteran]

35. I certainly don't plan to sit out the election, but damn if Clinton is trying my last nerve.

For once in my life I feel like there is a candidate who I can vote for without holding my nose and taking a shower in disinfectant afterwards and the thought of having to vote for her is starting to turn my stomach.

[TZ]

24. Here's a good reason not to do that:

Stem Cells. We will NEVER get funding for them unless a Democrat takes the WH!!

[RamboLiberal]

28. I'm another one feeling the same way at the moment

I can take the bashing between Hillary and Obama supporters, but this campaign doesn't care how they win even if they divide the Democratic party.

[earthlover]

68. Excellent point! I have never been so turned off by a Democrat in my life...

...and it has been the last few weeks. First it was her supporters. Now it is a realization they reflect HER!

[Recursion]

79. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not LaRouche or Mercer

But that will cost the party every ounce of political capital and loyalty it has with me if the nominee is Clinton, and I'll definitely be re-considering my support after that.

[no name no slogan]

17. Better to be pissed off, than pissed on

-- proverb

[usregimechange]

19. Obama may have miss spelled a word the other day

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

71. I heard he tore the tag off his mattress, too.

[Liberal Veteran]

76. WHAT? SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!!!!

That's a federal offense only surpassed by using Pine Sol "in a manner inconsistent with its labeling" (whatever the hell that means).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

82. Don't tell the Clinton campaign! OH, NOES!

[Recursion]

81. Actually, that's legal if you don't intend to resell the mattress

It's only illegal to sell a mattress with the tag removed.

[rocktivity]

22. I'd accuse Hillary of trying on campaign strategies the way Condi tries on shoes

but it sounds sexist.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Liberal Veteran]

25. PLAGARIST! I just googled "condi tries on shoes" and it was said on think progress 3 months ago!

Repent!

[rocktivity]

43. WHO'S a plagiarist, plagiarist???

I used the word "plagiarist" earlier today!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Little Star]

26. It Is The Authenticity Part. He is not the real deal, he's a copycat.

[Liberal Veteran]

30. I'm pretty sure "real deal" and "Copycat" have been used in the past. You fail

at my "authenticity" (tm Little Star) test.

[trof]

39. Copying? Is he looking on someone else's paper?

Thuh bastid!
;-)

[hughee99]

33. Maybe she's realized her best chance is to try to get Obama expelled...

to bad for her that a campaign isn't like a school, where you can get expelled for plagiarism.

[poomie123]

34. Trust

Jesus said words to the effect: "If you cannot trust persons in little things, you cannot trust them in greater things."

In any case, using someone's unique, creative phrasing without crediting that person, IS NOT A LITTLE THING.

[Liberal Veteran]

40. Jesus also said, "Let he that is among you that is without sin, cast the first stone"

I'm sure Her Holiness never uttered a phrase that was unoriginal without making sure there was an attribution.

Right?

[trof]

47. And "He who casts the biggest stone wins."

You could look it up.
:-)

[trof]

42. Aw hell. I got your virgin post. The very first one.

I mean, you gotta start somewhere and you started with ME!
I am touched.
Thank you very much poomie.
It's a high honor and I do not take it lightly.

Jesus said that?
Or words to that effect?
I guess that blows me out of the water.
Dern.


If Jesus said it, then it must be true.
Can you give me a reference?
Like maybe chapter and verse?
Thanks.

And welcome to DU.
:hi:

[Maraya1969]

100. Yea, well it's the early bird that catches the worm.

Oops I think I just plagiarized.:scared:

[DarkTirade]

36. Awww... somebody needs a huuuug...

[AtomicKitten]

37. I find the ClintonCo desperation funny as hell !!

[Liberal Veteran]

41. I think she does a disservice as the first viable female presidential candidate by living down to...

...a very ugly stereotype.

She could do so much better and I'm deeply disappointed in her as a person and as a candidate.

[AtomicKitten]

46. True, but it makes the choice very clear.

I would never in a million years have guessed she would run her campaign so badly.

[angie_love]

49. Whenever I think Hillary is someone I could support in the general election

she goes and pulls a Karl Rove and I remember how disgusted I am by how shes run her campaign. I go from thinking I can't vote for her to thinking I have to vote for her. If shes willing to throw a fellow democrat under the bus what else is she willing to do? Does she only care about herself and not the party? :shrug: I keep going back and forth.

[CorpGovActivist]

98. .

[backscatter712]

50. Out of all the attacks, this one is the most petty.

Maybe it makes Obama look like a copycat (though I'm perfectly happy with his explanation that he and Duvall Patrick freely share speech material.)

But it makes Hillary's campaign look really petty. Instead of talking about things like his health care policies or his experience or his Iraq votes, she makes this attack over a speech.

Is she that desperate for something to stick that she'll resort to this crap? Apparently so.

[Liberal Veteran]

52. The phrase that comes to mind on her latest attempt at relevance is "low rent"

Does she REALLY have to go out of her way and prove that she is exactly the kind of person the right has always painted her as?

[Skittles]

51. I agree the plagiarism charge is dubious, given the facts

but why the f*** is Obama recycling speeches? That is extremely poor form.

[Catherine Vincent]

58. He's lazy? nt

[nickn777]

59. I am done with Hillary if she ever becomes the nominee....

if its not obama, i will write in John Edwards or not vote....Hillary has lost ALL credibility with me....

[angie_love]

61. wow even Edwards ppl are turned off. interesting.

[Eurobabe]

92. which is why JRE will NEVER endorse Hillary

I just don't see the fit there. :shrug:

[Skittles]

62. uh huh

I'm sure you were just ENTHRALLED with her at one point - R I G H T

[GarbagemanLB]

64. There is quite a difference between being willing to vote for someone and being 'enthralled'

Hillary is losing people left and right over her ridiculous tactics.

[Cha]

65. Touche'

Garbageman!

[Skittles]

67. my point is

I suspect this person has always despised Ms. Clinton.

[nickn777]

96. no, not really....

i always preferred Obama but was willing to vote for her in the GE if she was the nominee....but after her latest personal smearing attacks, no way.

[angie_love]

69. Yes I considered her one of my role models and voted for her twice for senate when I lived in NYC

When she came to my campus, I saw her speak and was very impressed and proud. But whats shes doing to her fellow democrat is disgusting to me. It seems as if she just wants to take him down on character and not issues. I just don't want anything to do with that. Save it for repugs, not your fellow dems. I know i'm not the only one whos sick of how petty this is.

[meow mix]

63. shes so cheap and petty i cant believe it.. done with her, the nameless one.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

87. what...hey where's your hope.........

[Perry Logan]

90. Clintophobes have no idea how creepy they are.

[CorpGovActivist]

97. Mindless HilBorgs bowing to the will of the collective scare me.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

94. i think both hillary and obama were stupid about this.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

99. Starting? n/t