If Hillary doesn't win the nomination, in one way it will almost be a relief for me

[mtnsnake]

that she doesn't have to be the target of so much hatefulness and spitefulness ever again. If anyone deserves a break from all that rotten shit, it is Hillary Clinton. If anyone deserves to live out the rest of her life in relative peace and harmony, it's Hillary Clinton. If anyone deserves to simply be able to get up in the morning and go to work without having to be the brunt of everyone's barbarous attacks, it's this wonderful lady.

The Right Wing has mocked her, slandered her, and crucified her from Day One. Many of you have mocked her and attacked her savagely. The media has mocked her and crucified her ever since they found out she was ambitious. And for what? It's all because she was Bill Clinton's wife and a brilliant independent woman who was not afraid to speak her mind and shoot for the stars.

What this intelligent and ambitious lady has gone through over the years should never be experienced by another human being in this country again.

So if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I just hope people leave her the heck alone after that. Let someone else find out what it's like.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Yeah, she is such an innocent. Pulling that shit yesterday on Obama was totally an accident, and en

tirely unlike her. :rofl: :rofl:

[griffi94]

2. what shit did she pull on obama yesterday

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[GarbagemanLB]

16. I am a freeper for criticizing Clinton? That's rich!

[griffi94]

32. you didn't answer my question

what shit did she pull on obama yesterday....wasn't near a computer or a teevee set....so i missed it...
what did she do.....

[backscatter712]

39. We can start with the frivolous plagiarism accusation.

Shall we continue?

[griffi94]

42. well that made the national morning news

so it's hardly frivolous...they had clips of obama giving a speech...then cut to the gov. saying the excat same thing word for word.....how is that a smear....and how is that hillarys fault....

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[Divernan]

52. You do my candidate, Obama, no favors by ridiculing Downs Syndrome kids.

I'm going to alert on this because it ridicules the Special Olympics, retarded children and Downs Syndrome kids in particular. However, there are so many alerts around here, it seems to take an hour or more to get a response.

On edit: OK, let's time this. I alerted at 11:05 EST. Between now and when this offensive post is removed, I urge anyone else who finds this post offensive to back me up and also alert or comment.

I am blessed with 3 adult kids, each with advanced college degrees, but I worked with families of autistic and retarded kids. Sometimes the parents were in their 60's & 70's, so I worked with mentally retarded and autistic adults also. My work involved a special task force to draft and enact protective legislation due to the profiteering "group homes" and the substandard, sometimes lethal "care" provided therein.

Maybe you are so young and have so little experience of this world that you think it is funny to ridicule the mentally retarded. All I can say is shame on your parents that they didn't raise you with human compassion. Go volunteer at the Special Olympics (as 2 of my kids did) and then tell me I'm wrong to condemn your cruel insensitivity.

[mtnsnake]

58. Thank you for alerting on that. His/her post was a brutal reminder of how far we still have to go

before people wake up.

[backscatter712]

91. For that post, I apologize.

It was stupid and in very poor taste. What can I say? I let a troll get to me and lost my temper. There's no excuse.

[mtnsnake]

96. We all make mistakes

even though I don't remember ever making one myself :evilgrin:

[RaleighNCDUer]

53. The guy that the press is giving a free ride to? The press ganged

up on Obama?

You MUST have that wrong. Hillary is the only one they go after. YOU know that!





Never mind that her campaign was harping on it, as reflected on this board, while both Obama and the person he supposedly plagarized BOTH said it was NOT plagarism.

Accusations are on page 1 top. Retractions on page 13 bottom.


Hillary's campaign now says it was no big deal - all out of proportion. No harm, no foul.

[KittyWampus]

83. YOUR girl held a 1 hour conference call on this very subject. She's the one throwing chum in the H20

and the sharks are going to come back for her sorry ass.

[eridani]

98. Oh, I see. If the national media says it, it must be serious--

--just like all those missing white girls, Paris Hilton, American Idol, John's haircuts, Hillary's cackling, and Barack inhaling too much. :sarcasm:

[Dinger]

33. Well, You Are A Bears Fan After All

:sarcasm:


Just trying to lighten things up here a bit.:evilgrin:

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[Catherine Vincent]

9. Yeah.

Time to put that smelly troll on ignore.

[islandmkl]

11. everybody get your stopwatches out...and cut & paste...

I timed you and you couldn't have even read the post & responded in that time.
You're a heartless, arrogant slob, exactly the type of person I have no fucking use for in my life.

[GarbagemanLB]

14. No, I just think you are ignorant of her weaknesses. Sure she is ambitious and intelligent...

but we need that and MORE to get the White House, and the Democratic Party deserves someone who isn't tied to lobbyists at the hip. I wonder who she was 'fighting for' when she was working for Wal-Mart? What about her tax returns? All the other candidates released theirs. Get over your idolatry of her and try and be reasonable.

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[Zodiak]

27. I suggest you slow down on the rules-breaking

It is against the rules to call someone a freeper and it is against the rules to call someone a troll.

Let the mods do their job if that is what you think.

[mtnsnake]

31. Tell me about it when theres a rule in place that doesn't allow people to post lies w/o consequences

Until then, report me if it concerns you so much.

[juajen]

29. Don't let him get to you. Put him on ignore! You're right. He's too bad

NT

[liberalnurse]

40. Have you notice a lot of

ungrateful, snotty "alleged democrats" around here of late?

[griffi94]

4. i don't expect anybody to let up on the clintons

and i would also guess that she'll run for the nomination again even if she loses this time

[tigervalentine]

5. There's an easy solution

to bring about what you want for her: She can just stop running--for anything and everything.

[adabfree]

8. Amen..maybe she'll move to Alaska or Bora Bora...

Poor, poor Hillary..

Get the fluck outta here

[liberal N proud]

6. If it really bothered her, she could have stayed out of the race

I think she must have some teflon panties or something because it doesn't phase her too much.

I am still undecided but part of me would like to see Hillary win just to put it in the face of all those who have spent so much time and effort hating her for so many years.

[Catherine Vincent]

7. I agree.

That would be a big relief. But in a way I don't want any Democrat to win since this term would be directly after the failure of George W. Bush.

[Voltaire]

12. I am so with you there

I often think that McCain deserves to win and hold the bag after this mess.

[angie_love]

17. good point. i've worried about that myself.

The term after Bush will be an extremely difficult one. My boyfriend always says no matter who wins, they will be mired in the bullshit that Bush passed along. Sometimes I think...Hillary might be a better president to deal with what Bush passed along, and then Obama will come along after and his will be a transcendent presidency. But then I think I would really love for Obama to be president now and heal old wounds and show the rest of the world we've grown up. Its a dilemma for me.

[babylonsister]

10. Lowering expectations? You've learned well! nt

[tyne]

15. She migt end up

relaxing in jail because of her lies regarding Peter Paul...but, who knows?

[CorpGovActivist]

13. I'm all for making Bill Governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands...

... and letting her have Guam.

- Dave

[jasmine621]

18. I'm with you on that one. Said as much some time ago. nt

[Araxen]

19. She brings it on herself

and this campaign is showing why she gets all the hate.

[Occam Bandage]

20. That poor innocent woman, who has never once even dreamt of hurting a fly.

[GarbagemanLB]

23. Be careful, you're about to be called a freeper!

[mtnsnake]

26. No. Occam Bandage is a sincere poster. You are a freeper or worse.

[paulk]

74. sure was an influx of them this month

I truly don't think most of these jerks are even Obama supporters.

They're just here to cause trouble.

[mtnsnake]

84. I think it's been pretty steady for a couple of years

but you're right. This month has seen a tremendous influx for sure. I agree, btw, that many of them aren't real Obama supporters and only here to cause trouble. I've often expressed that same sentiment, my friend.

[CorpGovActivist]

24. Does her Kool-Aid come in "Hangdog Mournful Loss" flavor?

[frazzled]

22. I don't think HIllary feels that way

If there's one thing you can say about her, she's always known how to stand up to all the negativity. I don't think she'd be running if she cared about the hatefulness. It comes with the territory. Obama will get it too. (Indeed, has gotten the beginnings of it.)

But the idea about feeling relieved if your candidate doesn't win the nomination does ring true with me. But for other reasons. Having cast a vote for Obama (though with some wobbling), I would be somewhat relieved if he didn't get it because, given the shape this country is in, and given the expectations, I fear he would not be able to live up to them. I might feel the same way if I'd voted for Hillary: that it might not go well for her as a president.

In the end I guess we have to get over that and just keep our fingers crossed that one of these candidates will be able to deliver on the promise to restore some modicum of economic and political well-being to the nation and its people, to end the war, and to start to rebuild our position in the world. Neither will accomplish it all, and the path will be difficult.

[mtnsnake]

36. Awesome post

Thanks for sharing that. :)

[Sulawesi]

25. First denial, then resignation...next up, acceptance

[mtnsnake]

28. Nah, none of that. I'm just hoping if she doesn't win that she can get some peace.

[juajen]

34. Yeah, me too.

BTW, I'm putting some more on ignore today. My blood pressure needs to go down. I am so disappointed that Wisconsin has an open primary. Why in hell did somebody or some persons, decide it was a good idea to let pugs vote in our elections?

[mtnsnake]

37. Thanks

for both your posts. Enjoyed your sentiment!

[Sulawesi]

90. I've had the same feeling before...

[asjr]

30. I have never understood the animosity

toward Hillary Clinton. Maybe it is age-related. Maybe it is just the populace mimicking the media. I happen to think she would make a marvelous president. She is mature, intelligent and has our best interests at heart. All our candidates have been worthy. There seems to be only 2 left. I know young people like Obama. That is fine. But I want someone who can really kick Republican butt and Hillary is that person. They have been on her case since before '92. This country is in such a mess it will take someone of her caliber to handle the job.

[theHandpuppet]

49. Reflects so well on the party of hope and unity, doesn't it?

If you can navigate your way through all the rhteoric of hate, that is. It's more than sad, it's shameful. If this is any indication of our party's future, we will be living in "interesting times", indeed.

[backscatter712]

35. Maybe if she ran an ethical campaign...

people would have more respect for her. But no. Between the Rovian smears, the transparent attempt at gaming the system with Florida's and Michigan's delegates, and the stated intent to override the will of the voters with superdelegates, she's turned me off completely.

My advice to her, bow out gracefully and go back to the Senate. Assuming Obama rakes in a few more victories, it's perfectly honorable and reasonable to bow out - nobody would fault her for dropping out with some grace for a change.

[Bonobo]

38. And it is the Obama supporters that called a "cult"?

"The Right Wing has mocked her, slandered her, and crucified her from Day One."

"If anyone deserves to live out the rest of her life in relative peace and harmony, it's Hillary Clinton."

"What this intelligent and ambitious lady has gone through over the years should never be experienced by another human being in this country again."


Yeah, no woman should EVER experience what Hillary Clinton has experienced!

[Emit]

41. It's a choice she's made. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

43. As I recall, Hillary volunteered for this job.

[mtnsnake]

45. Yes, she did. If you're arguing that she brought all this hatred upon herself

then we'll just have to agree to disagree. This didn't just start a couple years ago, Buzz.

[Buzz Clik]

48. No, we agree totally that she has been an undeserving target.

Keep in mind that true hatred for Hillary is not felt by Obama supporters. If she wins the Dem nomination (and I'll support her candidacy if she does), then she will be subject to a tidal wave of hate like she has never seen. It will make the Kerry and Gore campaigns seem civil.

Quite simply, she brings that out of the conservative element, and she knew that going in.

[mtnsnake]

57. You are a voice of reason

:thumbsup:

[theHandpuppet]

44. Yep, I'm having the same feelings, mtnsnake

And I think history will not be kind to those who have spent so much capital in their relentless attempts to destroy her.

[mtnsnake]

47. I don't think history will be kind to them either

Good point, my friend, and I'm confident you will be proven right in due time.

[TexasObserver]

50. We won't have to listen to her whining and belly aching any more.

Nor that of her hysterical supporters.

[theHandpuppet]

55. And you provide a perfect example...

... of why I won't be polling or volunteering for the first time in many a year. Good luck to you and your vision for unity and hope. I see little of it here.

[TexasObserver]

60. well, that will give you lots of time

to go jerk yourself a soda

[theHandpuppet]

61. And you just keep supporting what I've said.

Thanks for the many examples for those who might wonder why.

[TexasObserver]

62. I care. I really, really care.

Another Hillary cry baby who can't take bad news.

Do you really think your staying home in November will make one whit of difference? It won't.

Stop being such a sympathy sponge, and stop annoying me with your faux outrage.

[mtnsnake]

63. Bullshit. If you & half the others really cared you wouldn't be littering the board with your hatred

and venomous remarks about Hillary Clinton. If you cared, you'd find other more reasonable ways to express your disagreement with such a great American as Hillary. Care my ass.

[TexasObserver]

65. You're another one with the personality of a rattle snake.

You do nothing but bitch, whine, and curse people out. Get lost, and take your friend with you.

[mtnsnake]

67. haha, better to have the personality of a rattlesnake

than that of a conniving, lying, little twit from a big state. lol

[TexasObserver]

75. I am mtnsnake watch me roar, in hisses too big to ignore ....

You're just another sad, pathetic, whiney, Hillary supporter who can't face reality.

I don't have any more time to waste on a chronic nag like you.

[theHandpuppet]

Can't you ever take a break from hating?

Even for a moment? For god's sake, stop.

[mtnsnake]

77. TexasObserver has been here for 18 days and amassed 2740 posts. What's that tell ya?

[theHandpuppet]

81. Ahh, okay.

Thanks for the insight. I won't be wasting any more of my time there.

Take care, friend!

:)

[mtnsnake]

85. Actually I wouldn't have known until poster #68 pointed it out. That's 152 posts per day!!

Can you imagine having that much hatred bottled up inside and that much free time on your hands to express it? Wow!!

You take care, too, my friend :)

[theHandpuppet]

64. Did I say I was staying home in November

Or did you just make that up yourself on the fly?

I don't know why you hate so much but I have to admit I have hard time reconciling your posts with any prospects for change OR hope.

[TexasObserver]

66. I've read your posts enough to know all you do is complain about Obama posters.

So I do not care what you think. I only respond to you because occasionally someone needs to tell you what an obnoxious, annoying person you are. How's that constant nagging working out for you? Great, I'll bet.

[theHandpuppet]

69. I don't think that will be a problem for you much longer

My, what a lovely place this has become. But as the saying goes, all good things....

I hope you'll one day find whatever it might be that brings you peace.

[mtnsnake]

70. I've read enough of your posts to know that you can lie with the best of them

She is nothing like how you describe.

[theHandpuppet]

72. Thanks, mtnsnake

You're very kind.

[mtnsnake]

76. My pleasure

:)

[leftynyc]

68. You have a big

fucking mouth for someone here less than 3 weeks.

[mtnsnake]

71. Aint that the truth.

Wow, 3 weeks. No need to even wonder...

[Colobo]

51. If she loses the nomination, it will be a relief for America and the World.

We need Barack Obama now.

[TexasObserver]

86. Yes, it will. The world will sigh in relief, and so will we.

Obama is going to win and win big in November. That'll be nice.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. Then why do you think we should support her?

Hillary Clinton is the most unfairly vilified person ever. She simply cannot catch a break, either from the media or the progressive community. I'm not debating that because I do think there's a lot of truth in what you say. My problem is with the Clinton supporters' argument that this incredibly maligned and compromised candidate is the one who can win.

I just don't get it. Why would you want to put up the candidate who starts with 47% of the country disliking her? I don't buy the "there's nothing worse that can come out about the Clintons" rationalization either. There's always more that can come out, or be made up and when your negatives are that high to begin with it only takes a percent or two to tank you.

I don't get it. Can someone please explain it to me? :shrug:

[mtnsnake]

56. I'm not trying in this thread to get you to support her

but I did enjoy your post and your questions should be discussed some more.

[robbedvoter]

59. I doubt that the Clenis will ever stop being the source of all evil - never any relief

here or in the rest of the GOP world - sorry, but this board has became its mindless mirror. Warmonger, torturer W didn't get a tenth of the venom in 8 years that I am on this board.
If BO loses to McCain, it will be the Clenis's fault. if he wins and stumbles in his job, it will be Clenis's job. Always. His entire candidacy has been paid and bullhorned to erase the Clinton presidency from the history books.

[canadian_is_cold]

73. She is a delicate flower

A pantsuit covered flower, with a bobbing head, and creepy cackle.

Maybe after she loses this shot at the stars she will leave us alone.

[mtnsnake]

80. I'm sure that all the REAL Obama supporters will be glad that you have an Obama avatar

because of your worthy contribution to their cause.

[Auntie Bush]

78. HEAR! Here!

Mtnsnake you expressed my feeling exactly. Thanks for posting this.

It's almost sad thinking what she will be in store for for the next
8 years...should she win. But I'' live with that...hope she can.
WIPH (Work in peace Hillary)

[mtnsnake]

87. Hi, Auntie Bush

Your very welcome, and I am so glad you posted because we're almost always on the same page. Thanks

[JKaiser]

79. Thanks for the Post! Hillary = Strength! Hillary is my Hero!

[jillan]

82. Great point - let Obama get beat up for awhile.

[BootinUp]

88. This thread encourages me to do some Obama trashing

swear to gawd.

Looking at the responses I mean.

[vireo]

89. I agree

But voted for her today anyway! :patriot:

[Forkboy]

92. I got a cavity just reading that.

[snooper2]

93. Oh Jesus fucking Christ...

Poor Hillary, who had one of the best educations money can buy...

Poor Hillary, was a lawyer at a politically connected law firm...(made a full partner)

Poor Hillary, first lady of Arkansas for 12 years ( well, I might feel sorry for that one )

Poor Hillary, who was paid for campaigning for her husband...

Poor Hillary, who was able to give birth to a healthy child...

Poor Hillary, who has always had health insurance...

Poor Hillary, who lived in the lap of luxury as first lady for 8 years...

Poor Hillary, who has Secret Service protection for life...

Poor Hillary, who easily won a Senate Seat... (thus a salary for life)

Boo Fucking Hoo Poor Hillary, who thought she was supposed to be annointed the Democractic Candidate for President of the United States, and was wrong. Give me a fucking break....she baked her cake and now she can eat it....

[TwilightGardener]

94. Bizarre martyr complex her supporters have.

[intaglio]

95. Why, for one second, do you think any politician

would not be expecting attacks by the opposition?

Hatefulness? spitefulness? for pointing out that she has made mistakes in the campaign, that she lost control of campaign finances, that she cannot control her staffers and especially that she cannot control Bill.

Do you honestly believe that, experienced as you say she is in politics, she was unprepared for fairly minor criticisms from her own party?

Do you think that she would not have expected far worse from the Republicans?

Women can be successful in politics and in the harshest environments, Thatcher, Gandhi, Bandaranaike, Meir are wonderful examples. If Hillary is the delicate flower you make ker out to be then she does not deserve to be President

[mtnsnake]

97. What a profoundly intelligent interpretation of what I was trying to say (snicker)

lol

[Sapphocrat]

99. I feel the same, plus...

...no one will ever be able to say "I told you so!" if she were to lose the GE -- or the first time she screws up as Prez.

I doubt that I will be big enough to rise above a big, nasty finger-wagging "I TOLD you so!" display when Obama loses the GE / fucks up badly... but at least I can admit it.

There's one more reason to hope Hillary doesn't win the nom/GE: She doesn't deserve to be stuck shoveling the shit out of the barn after Bush is done with it.

Whoa... I almost feel sorry for the next Prez, be it McCain or Obama.

(Note: I said almost.)

P.S. For real, mtnsnake? They're not going to "leave her alone" -- they're going to find a way to blame all of President McCain's / Obama's fuckups on her. Guaranteed.

[JVS]

100. I can't figure out which one is Hillary now

[anamandujano]

101. Two scenarios--1)McCain takes the general, so she runs again in 2012.

2)Obama takes the general and his lackluster performance makes the scales drop from everyone's eyes; she runs against him and wins. (This open primary sh*t needs to get the heave-ho STAT.)

[Raine]

102. Hillary gives as good as she gets

she's not a victim of anyone.

[MrSlayer]

103. No one is going to lay off of her as long as she remains in politics.

And she will be a byword for right wing assholes long after she and I and you are dead.