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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:21 PM
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AP Exit poll info for Wisc.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1714622,00.html
An exit poll finds Wisconsin Democratic primary voters are not big fans of globalization. Seven in 10 say U.S. trade with other countries takes more jobs from Wisconsin and fewer than one in five say it creates more jobs for the state. One in 10 say international trade has no effect on the state either way.

The exit poll for The Associated Press and television networks Tuesday also finds Wisconsin Democrats are overwhelmingly pessimistic about the nation's economy. At least half said the nation's economy is not good and nearly all the rest said it is poor.

Wisconsin Republican primary voters feel a bit better about the economy, but still, a majority think it's not good or poor.

The surveys were conducted in 35 voting places across Wisconsin.

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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:22 PM
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1. Not good for NAFTA Hillary.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I wish Obama would hit her harder on NAFTA
he does not do it enough. In Ohio, that could be a winner for him. Even Texas is not as pro-NAFTA as it used to be.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Actually, he is.
In his first Ohio event he said "I've been told Speeches dont put food on the table, but neither does NAFTA."
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
32. Why? He wants to expand NAFTA. Or didn't you know that? nt
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:53 PM
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34. He can't since he supported it and he is slightly more pro "free" trade than Hillary
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #34
87. Evidence? Proof? Come on.
Don't go spouting off shit without proof, Mr. Prolific Clinton Poster.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #87
96. The smear artist who said he was "leaving" the board happened to miss the 2 threads on it?
:boring:
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. How good is it for
EXPAND NAFTA OBAMA
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:25 PM
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13. Yeah, the Clintons are tied MUCH more tightly to NAFTA than Obama EVER will be.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. Doesn't make Obama any less of lair about his position on it.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. On Free Trade
Obama is to the right of Hillary.

Deal with it.

http://blog.noslaves.com/hillary-and-obama-on-trade
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Try telling that to the public. LOL
:rofl: :rofl:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Yes, Obama is an example of the power of marketing vs the truth.
Thanks for agreeing.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
36. Yup. Is Garbage=Axlerod?
;)
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:56 PM
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42. You're welcome. We'll talk again when Hillary can run in 8 years.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:04 PM
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55. What will your screename be then?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. Oh I'll be here the whole time.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Sure you will.
Just with different screenames.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. I forgot
I'm supporting a candidate.

You are supporting an illusion.

My bad.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #26
53. No, you're supporting someone running on her husband's record plus less time in the legislature
than Obama. nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Nope.
I'm supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Damned proud of it as well.

Who are YOU talking about?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. ..Hillary Rodham Clinton...
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. Then I guess you best review your facts
Garbageman.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:08 PM
Original message
I am not quite sure how she got executive experience from being a wife and how she has more experien
ce than Obama, who has been in legislatures longer than her?

Care to enlighten me, oh informed Clintonite?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:09 PM
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71. Yes Obama has become experieced at deceiving voters gained from his years in the IL legislature.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:10 PM by rinsd
See his present vote strategy.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:15 PM
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76. Try doing some research
instead of spouting off ill informed garbage, Garbageman.

That would be a great place to start!
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miceelf Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
51. Pfft
That really doesn't say anything of the kind other than the blog author is focused on one issue ("reviewing all trade agreements", which could mean anything) and not on any other issue. According to your link, Obama has pledged to change NAFTA and Clinton has promised to "review" it.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #51
59. He just voted to expand NAFTA
is that the change?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. Yes Obama has been successful in lying about his & HIllary's NAFTA support
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Well, NAFTA is the Clintons' OTHER baby, besides Chelsea. Hillary has
to accept responsibility for it if she wants to run on nostalgia for the glorious Clinton years--she's treating it like the red-headed stepchild now.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:57 PM
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45. Topic subject Get with it, Obama voted FOR NAFTA!
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Get with it, Obama voted FOR NAFTA!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4665824#4665824
4665824, Get with it, Obama voted FOR NAFTA!
Posted by Clinton Crusader on Tue Feb-19-08 04:31 PM

"Obama Says He Will Vote for NAFTA Expansion" at: http://tinyurl.com/29rovu

Obama is the first presidential candidate to officially declare his/her support for the NAFTA expansion moving through the Congress. His announcement is not necessarily surprising, considering he was the keynote speaker at the launch of the Hamilton Project -- a Wall Street front group working to DRIVE A WEDGE between Democrats and organized LABOR on globalization issues. His announcement comes just days after a Wall Street Journal poll found strong bipartisan opposition to lobbyist-written NAFTA-style trade policies. Clinton and Obama vote for Peru NAFTA deal at: http://tinyurl.com/2qn59q

Vote for Barack Obama if you want to, but please do it with your eyes open and with the knowledge that Rupert Murdoch -- possibly the worst corporate media CEO around -- has endorsed Obama and is using all the resources of his media empire to help Obama and destroy Hillary Clinton (one has to wonder what Rupert Murdoch hopes to gain from an Obama presidency and fears from a Clinton presidency). And bear in mind that Obama chose as his senate "mentor" the loathsome Joe Lieberman, whose gleefulness in voting with the Republicans and against the Democrats made Lieberman (at the time Obama chose him as his mentor) one of the most despised Democrats in the senate. When Barack Obama had the chance to vote against NAFTA, he voted, instead, to expand NAFTA.

And, Obama voted FOR the Oman Free Trade Agreement. (H.R. 3045, 7/28/05; S. 3569, 6/29/06). OBAMA: "I believe that expanding trade and breaking down barriers between countries is good for our economy and for our security, for American consumers and American workers.
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/issues_trade.cfm

BOTH Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005) Americans need to deal with facts, not pipe-dreams. In Peru Trade Vote, Senate Democrats Break With Base, Dismiss Widespread Public Opposition to More-of-the-Same Trade Policy and Join GOP to Vote for Another Bush NAFTA Expansion Pushed by Corporations. Seven of Nine Senate Freshmen Democrats Oppose Expanding NAFTA to Peru

Statement of Lori M. Wallach, Director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch Division

Public Citizen - Common Dreams - Dec. 4, 2007
WASHINGTON - December 4 - Although not one U.S. labor, environmental, Latino, consumer, faith or family farm group supported the Peru free trade agreement (FTA), a majority of Senate Democrats today broke with their base, dismissed widespread public opposition to more-of-the-same trade policy and joined Republicans to deliver another Bush NAFTA expansion to the large corporations pushing this deal.
The debate in the Senate contrasts with that in the House of Representatives last month. There was little focus on the Peru NAFTA expansion deal in the Senate, but in the House an intense, multi-month debate resulted in a majority of House Democrats, including 12 of 18 House committee chairs, voting against the Peru pact and signaling that it is not an acceptable model for future trade agreements.
The breakdown of this vote vividly demonstrates two phenomena: the distance between most senators and the American public on trade issues, and the depth of the American public's negative opinion about NAFTA-style trade deals. All but two of nine Democratic freshmen senators who recently campaigned extensively in their states opposed the Peru NAFTA expansion today. Most of the Democratic presidential candidates oppose it, including Sens. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut.

In contrast to most of the Democratic presidential candidates who oppose the Peru NAFTA expansion, Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois support it. Clinton and Obama's support for the Peru FTA – after BOTH opposed the 2005 Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), which contained identical provisions and now campaign against NAFTA in Iowa, should make voters wonder just what sort of trade policy Clinton and Obama really support. None of the senators running for president voted today, although all four have issued public statements taking positions on the Peru pact. Read the rest at: http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1204-20.htm
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. NAFTA is one of many things that is going to sink Hillary in the GE
if she is the nominee
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:30 PM
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21. Obama voted FOR NAFTA
"Obama Says He Will Vote for NAFTA Expansion" at: http://tinyurl.com/29rovu

Obama is the first presidential candidate to officially declare his/her support for the NAFTA expansion moving through the Congress. His announcement is not necessarily surprising, considering he was the keynote speaker at the launch of the Hamilton Project -- a Wall Street front group working to DRIVE A WEDGE between Democrats and organized LABOR on globalization issues. His announcement comes just days after a Wall Street Journal poll found strong bipartisan opposition to lobbyist-written NAFTA-style trade policies. Clinton and Obama vote for Peru NAFTA deal at: http://tinyurl.com/2qn59q

Vote for Barack Obama if you want to, but please do it with your eyes open and with the knowledge that Rupert Murdoch -- possibly the worst corporate media CEO around -- has endorsed Obama and is using all the resources of his media empire to help Obama and destroy Hillary Clinton (one has to wonder what Rupert Murdoch hopes to gain from an Obama presidency and fears from a Clinton presidency). And bear in mind that Obama chose as his senate "mentor" the loathsome Joe Lieberman, whose gleefulness in voting with the Republicans and against the Democrats made Lieberman (at the time Obama chose him as his mentor) one of the most despised Democrats in the senate. When Barack Obama had the chance to vote against NAFTA, he voted, instead, to expand NAFTA.

And, Obama voted FOR the Oman Free Trade Agreement. (H.R. 3045, 7/28/05; S. 3569, 6/29/06). OBAMA: "I believe that expanding trade and breaking down barriers between countries is good for our economy and for our security, for American consumers and American workers.
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/issues_trade.cfm

BOTH Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005) Americans need to deal with facts, not pipe-dreams. In Peru Trade Vote, Senate Democrats Break With Base, Dismiss Widespread Public Opposition to More-of-the-Same Trade Policy and Join GOP to Vote for Another Bush NAFTA Expansion Pushed by Corporations. Seven of Nine Senate Freshmen Democrats Oppose Expanding NAFTA to Peru

Statement of Lori M. Wallach, Director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch Division

Public Citizen - Common Dreams - Dec. 4, 2007
WASHINGTON - December 4 - Although not one U.S. labor, environmental, Latino, consumer, faith or family farm group supported the Peru free trade agreement (FTA), a majority of Senate Democrats today broke with their base, dismissed widespread public opposition to more-of-the-same trade policy and joined Republicans to deliver another Bush NAFTA expansion to the large corporations pushing this deal.
The debate in the Senate contrasts with that in the House of Representatives last month. There was little focus on the Peru NAFTA expansion deal in the Senate, but in the House an intense, multi-month debate resulted in a majority of House Democrats, including 12 of 18 House committee chairs, voting against the Peru pact and signaling that it is not an acceptable model for future trade agreements.
The breakdown of this vote vividly demonstrates two phenomena: the distance between most senators and the American public on trade issues, and the depth of the American public's negative opinion about NAFTA-style trade deals. All but two of nine Democratic freshmen senators who recently campaigned extensively in their states opposed the Peru NAFTA expansion today. Most of the Democratic presidential candidates oppose it, including Sens. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut.

In contrast to most of the Democratic presidential candidates who oppose the Peru NAFTA expansion, Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois support it. Clinton and Obama's support for the Peru FTA – after BOTH opposed the 2005 Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), which contained identical provisions and now campaign against NAFTA in Iowa, should make voters wonder just what sort of trade policy Clinton and Obama really support. None of the senators running for president voted today, although all four have issued public statements taking positions on the Peru pact. Read the rest at: http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1204-20.htm
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
39. Get with it, Obama voted FOR NAFTA!
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Get with it, Obama voted FOR NAFTA!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4665824#4665824
4665824, Get with it, Obama voted FOR NAFTA!
Posted by Clinton Crusader on Tue Feb-19-08 04:31 PM

"Obama Says He Will Vote for NAFTA Expansion" at: http://tinyurl.com/29rovu

Obama is the first presidential candidate to officially declare his/her support for the NAFTA expansion moving through the Congress. His announcement is not necessarily surprising, considering he was the keynote speaker at the launch of the Hamilton Project -- a Wall Street front group working to DRIVE A WEDGE between Democrats and organized LABOR on globalization issues. His announcement comes just days after a Wall Street Journal poll found strong bipartisan opposition to lobbyist-written NAFTA-style trade policies. Clinton and Obama vote for Peru NAFTA deal at: http://tinyurl.com/2qn59q

Vote for Barack Obama if you want to, but please do it with your eyes open and with the knowledge that Rupert Murdoch -- possibly the worst corporate media CEO around -- has endorsed Obama and is using all the resources of his media empire to help Obama and destroy Hillary Clinton (one has to wonder what Rupert Murdoch hopes to gain from an Obama presidency and fears from a Clinton presidency). And bear in mind that Obama chose as his senate "mentor" the loathsome Joe Lieberman, whose gleefulness in voting with the Republicans and against the Democrats made Lieberman (at the time Obama chose him as his mentor) one of the most despised Democrats in the senate. When Barack Obama had the chance to vote against NAFTA, he voted, instead, to expand NAFTA.

And, Obama voted FOR the Oman Free Trade Agreement. (H.R. 3045, 7/28/05; S. 3569, 6/29/06). OBAMA: "I believe that expanding trade and breaking down barriers between countries is good for our economy and for our security, for American consumers and American workers.
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/issues_trade.cfm

BOTH Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005) Americans need to deal with facts, not pipe-dreams. In Peru Trade Vote, Senate Democrats Break With Base, Dismiss Widespread Public Opposition to More-of-the-Same Trade Policy and Join GOP to Vote for Another Bush NAFTA Expansion Pushed by Corporations. Seven of Nine Senate Freshmen Democrats Oppose Expanding NAFTA to Peru

Statement of Lori M. Wallach, Director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch Division

Public Citizen - Common Dreams - Dec. 4, 2007
WASHINGTON - December 4 - Although not one U.S. labor, environmental, Latino, consumer, faith or family farm group supported the Peru free trade agreement (FTA), a majority of Senate Democrats today broke with their base, dismissed widespread public opposition to more-of-the-same trade policy and joined Republicans to deliver another Bush NAFTA expansion to the large corporations pushing this deal.
The debate in the Senate contrasts with that in the House of Representatives last month. There was little focus on the Peru NAFTA expansion deal in the Senate, but in the House an intense, multi-month debate resulted in a majority of House Democrats, including 12 of 18 House committee chairs, voting against the Peru pact and signaling that it is not an acceptable model for future trade agreements.
The breakdown of this vote vividly demonstrates two phenomena: the distance between most senators and the American public on trade issues, and the depth of the American public's negative opinion about NAFTA-style trade deals. All but two of nine Democratic freshmen senators who recently campaigned extensively in their states opposed the Peru NAFTA expansion today. Most of the Democratic presidential candidates oppose it, including Sens. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut.

In contrast to most of the Democratic presidential candidates who oppose the Peru NAFTA expansion, Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois support it. Clinton and Obama's support for the Peru FTA – after BOTH opposed the 2005 Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), which contained identical provisions and now campaign against NAFTA in Iowa, should make voters wonder just what sort of trade policy Clinton and Obama really support. None of the senators running for president voted today, although all four have issued public statements taking positions on the Peru pact. Read the rest at: http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1204-20.htm
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #39
78. They're the same with one notable exception: 1993
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:22 PM
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2. Dammit. That doesn't tell me anything.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. I actually think this could be good news for
Hillary. I believe the economy is her strong suit, and that concern about it plays to her favor.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Oh well, it's going to be a long night.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. From what I've seen, I don't think you can say who has the advantage in regards to the economy
It differs state by state...
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM
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5. You are the embodiment of evil.
:rofl:
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Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Wisconsin wants "change"
a new direction in American politics and a new course for the economy. "Experience" does not trump the desire for "Change". This favors Obama. Hillary is carrying Bill Clinton's baggage on NAFTA
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #10
40. Only on DU is only Obama viewed as "change"
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM
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6. Students vote late, and there are a lot of students. Exit Polls will be interesting to see
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:28 PM
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19. I would like to see a% of student ( youth ) vote.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:30 PM
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23. In my polling place, turnout was poor as of 3PM, but once 3:30 hit, there was a steady stream.
They were waiting until their classes were done, and then people started to show up.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:23 PM
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7. That's it???
Give us some meat on these exit polls, AP!

BTW, thanks for the link.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:49 PM
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27. Updated news from AP... from the same press release.
OPEN PRIMARY TURNOUT

Wisconsin has truly open primaries - voters choose in the voting booth which party's primary to vote in. The exit poll indicated that, as in earlier open primaries this season, far more voters were participating in the Democratic than the Republican contest. For about one in seven Democratic voters, Tuesday was the first time they were voting in a primary.

DEMOGRAPHICS:

As usual, men outnumbered women in Republican primaries while the reverse was true on the Democratic side. About nine in 10 voters in both primaries were white. The Republican electorate was a bit older than the Democratic. Roughly four in 10 in each party were college graduates.

Good news for Hillary.

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:25 PM
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12. Well, I guess that explains this
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:32 PM
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25. From this it's hard to tell who is leading.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:50 PM
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28. MSNBC reports that 58% of voters make over 50,000 dollars
That could be good news for Obama
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:51 PM
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30. I agree.
Especially when you consider a large chunk that make less than 50K are college kids.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #28
91. Median income in Wisconsin is in the mid 40,000 range.
This really isn't all that surprising.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:51 PM
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29. Obama and Hillary are splitting the economy vote 43-43
That's a great sign for Obama. But where is the other 14%?

CNN:

What is the effect of trade?

Democrats: It costs jobs– 70%, Creates jobs– 17%, No impact 9%

What issue are you concerned about most?

Clinton voters: The economy– 43%

Obama voters: The economy– 43%

McCain voters: Iraq war– 35%, Economy 33%, Terrorism 18%

http://thepage.time.com/wisconsin-exit-poll-highlights/
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:56 PM
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41. I dont think that means they tie the Economy vote
I thougth that is just the percentage of their votes who say the economy is their biggest issue. So Hillary could have 67 percent of the vote, but 43 percent of them say the economy is the most important.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:03 PM
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54. That's true.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:51 PM
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31. Updated news from AP... from the same press release.
OPEN PRIMARY TURNOUT

Wisconsin has truly open primaries - voters choose in the voting booth which party's primary to vote in. The exit poll indicated that, as in earlier open primaries this season, far more voters were participating in the Democratic than the Republican contest. For about one in seven Democratic voters, Tuesday was the first time they were voting in a primary.

DEMOGRAPHICS:

As usual, men outnumbered women in Republican primaries while the reverse was true on the Democratic side. About nine in 10 voters in both primaries were white. The Republican electorate was a bit older than the Democratic. Roughly four in 10 in each party were college graduates.

Could be good news for Hillary.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:54 PM
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35. That's about the same as 2004
2004 was 45%. Also, a lot of the non-college grad will probably be students.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:55 PM
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38. Don't college grads tend to favor Obama?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:58 PM
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47. Yes, but that would mean 6 in 10 dont.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:53 PM
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33. More exit poll data... 25 of the electorate is independent
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CAMPAIGN_RDP?SITE=ALMON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Independents cast about one-quarter of the ballots in the Wisconsin race between Obama and Clinton, and roughly 15 percent of the electorate were first-time voters, according to preliminary results from interviews at polling places. Obama has run well among independents in earlier primaries.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:55 PM
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37. 29% were indies in 2004
And Obama has dominated first time voters.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:57 PM
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44. Those numbers will increase IMO
students will vote late, and they are most likely unregistered at the moment.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:56 PM
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43. Both campaigns knew this. This is why they now "discovered" what Edwards talked about for years
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:57 PM
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46. Ben Smith: Big night for Obama?
Mike Allen emails:

Democratic officials with access to exit polls say Senator Obama looks like he’s headed for a huge win in today’s Wisconsin primary. The polls could turn out to be off, as they have in the past. But the officials’ revelation reflects the chatter in the campaigns in advance of the 9 p.m. Eastern poll closing.

The party officials said that if the trends reflect in the interviews with hundreds of Badger State voters, the news out of the primary will be: Obama encroached deeply into three of Clinton’s core groups of voters – women, those with no college degree and those with lower incomes – while giving up none of his own. However, Clinton looked to be winning senior citizens, the officials said.

Stay tuned for real numbers.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Wisconsin_exits.html
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:00 PM
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50. The seniors probably think Bill is still president.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:04 PM
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58. Yeah, I'm sure senior-bashing will go over well in the general election. Keep it up ObamaNation. n/t
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:06 PM
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62. because posts on DU will be used against Obama....
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:07 PM
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65. No but your douchebaggery doesn't not relfect well on your fellow Obama supporters.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:08 PM
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67. Lol!
Bad but funny!
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:59 PM
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48. one source: Early Exit Poll: Clinton 49 Obama 45
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 05:59 PM by orangepeel68
It's a right wing blog of questionable veracity, but they report early.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1162#more-1162

5:53 Update– Early Exit Poll: Clinton 49 Obama 45 Hold onto your Hats! It’s gonna be a long night!
This poll doesn’t account for evening voters (professionals) who are now getting off work and heading to the polls.
Bad Economy is on Dem. Wisconsin Voters mind.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:01 PM
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52. These polls are probably as reliable as the ones from Super Tuesday
meaning not reliable at all.
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Obamaniac Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:46 PM
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92. BULLSHIT
Two exit polls --- FOX and AP --- have Obama winning women, Democrats, etc. and yet Hillary is ahead? What are men voting for Hillary by 15 points?

Nope. She's going down to another soul crushing defeat.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:48 PM
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93. I hope you are right (but I wish expectations weren't high)
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:04 PM
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94. same source: 6:45 Update: Obama 57 Clinton 41.
for what little it's worth
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:00 PM
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49. Two conflicting sources back to back...LOL
Truth is, nobody knows.

There are still 3 hours of voting left.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:04 PM
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56. Sure. LOL. But we're all on this thread because we can't wait for real numbers
and/or it is fun to speculate. I wouldn't bet a dime on the predictive value.

:D
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:07 PM
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66. Foxnews has the first substantiave exit poll results
Here is what they are reporting.

Women:
Obama: 51
Hillary: 49
Democrats
Obama: 51
Clinton: 49
Independents:
Obama: 63,
Hillary: 34
Seniors:
Clinton: 60
Obama: 39


I missed the men. But if this is any indication, Obama will have a good night.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:08 PM
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68. Fox News...ever so ethical
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:09 PM
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70. The polls are 3 hours away from closing...
alot can change.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:10 PM
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72. the point is, the networks had agreed NOT to air results until polls were closed. Fox is a POS netwo
rk
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:10 PM
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73. I know, though I think Obama will do well in the last three hours.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:09 PM
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69. If Obama wins women, he wins the night.
We'll see.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:12 PM
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74. The geezer margin is huge, though. That will hurt him.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:13 PM
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75. Too Icy and Cold for them to come out. They make break a hip
LOL
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:16 PM
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79. More old people bashing from ObamaNation! n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:17 PM
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82. Not really.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:17 PM
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81. The geezer margin is always huge.
They were 20% of the vote last time. But if Obama is winning women, he is almost certainly winning men by a lot.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:09 PM
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95. The geezer vote is not THAT out of sync with the rest of the electorate.
In NJ and VA they both went with the respective winners. Granted they skew Hillary, but they aren't going to give her a 20 point margin while everyone else gives Obama a 40 point margin. Doesn't work that way. I know this state.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:17 PM
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80. Man, if that's true...
...Then that's one of the sharpest breaks we've seen for the independents thus far.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:18 PM
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83. Is this Fox News Channel, or Foxnews.com?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:19 PM
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84. The channel.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:15 PM
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77. Foreign Trade. Truly. Wisconsin is T-paper maker for the WORLD!



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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:21 PM
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85. More: Obama winning under 50K: 51-49, Union homes 50-49
Fox Preliminary Exits for Wisconsin DemocratsWomen: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%

Families with income under 50,000: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%

Independents: Obama 63%, Clinton 34%

Seniors: Clinton 60%, Obama 39%

Top quality — experience: Clinton 95%, Obama 5%

Union households: Clinton 50%, Obama 49%

http://thepage.time.com/fox-preliminary-exits-for-wisconsin-democrats/


They haven't reported Obama's core groups yet, but he's holding his own with non-friendly groups.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:25 PM
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86. if true it's significant if Obama is winning among women 51-49.
it's significant even if it's close among women.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:37 PM
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88. double post
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:38 PM by NJSecularist
double post.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:38 PM
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89. Some demographic information from CNN
Democrats consist of 64% of the Dem Primary
Independents consist of 27% of the Dem primary
Republicans consist of 9% of the Democratic primary


Whites consist of 88% of the Dem Primary
Independents consist 8% of the Dem primary
Latinos consist of 4% of the Democratic primary

Females represent 57% of the Dem primary
Males represent 43% of the Dem primary
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:38 PM
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90. ABC Headline: "Exit Polls: Voters Seek 'Change' in Wisconsin"
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