Next time the Repukes try to use FDR as the "you can't change

[zbdent]

horses in midstream" argument, ask them if they felt then that Thomas Dewey and Strom Thurmond should have been hanged as traitors in 1944?

[Mick Knox]

1. Thats an Odd Analogy...

We IN FACT didnt change horses....

You making their argument for them? I'm not sure what you mean.

[Caution]

2. The repubs are using FDR's argument

about changing horses mid-stream. Which we obviously didn't do. the idea is that we didnt vote our FDR in 1944 in the middle of a war. My response is that FDR was a capable leader.

[Turbineguy]

4. Bush would love to compare himself with FDR

But he can't get there from here.

Next it will be Mozart and Einstein.

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

5. He already compared himself with Churchill

even though it is impolite to speak ill of the dead...

[zbdent]

3. What I mean is that we are being called traitors for actually bothering

to field a candidate for President "at a time of war". The Repukes try to make this out as the equivalent of FDR trying to stop the elections in 1944.

So, if they feel that we are being unpatriotic or with the terrorists for actually backing somebody other than Bush, then we should point out that that makes their candidate, Thomas Dewey, or their "If he would have won, we wouldn't have had all these troubles" converted Strom Thurmond, as siding with the Japanese and the Germans in WWII.

[Mick Knox]

7. OIC

Elections have never been cancelled.. Civil War... any war.. Anyone who says that is not worthy of a response other than calling them an idiot ... Nothing "traitorous" about an election.. it boggles the mind.

[terisel]

6. Yes Elections were held and candidates criticized.

If I remember correctly FDR changed vice-presidents for that campaign.Vice-President Henry Wallace was de-selected in favor of Harry Truman. FDR had 4 terms and 3 different vice-presidents.

By Fall 1944 most people in the US sensed the end of of what they believed to be a just war approaching with victory for Roosevelt, Churchill and the Allies. Yet FDR still reconfigured his team to run in 1944.

We have a different situation today. The Bush team is preaching endless war, declared premature victory in one of its theaters of war and has had to backtrack; the legiimacy of that theater of war is being questioned, and one of the allies has just quit-saying it was a mistake.

Bush is still strong in the Propaganda War because he has nationalized or Bushified the major purveyors of information--but there are cracks appearing in that previously united information front.

[yolatengo]

8. 1944

Roosevelt 439 EV, 25602505 votes
Dewey, 99 EV, 22006278 votes

22 million Americans were 'for the Nazis'. How about THAT?

Now I know Prescott and G.H.W. Bush rushed out to vote for
Dewey and 'appease' Hitler and Tojo, but really, did we need
to put those other 21,999,998 people into internment camps
for voting GOP?

F*** the GOP and their bullsh*t calling people traitors. Takes
one to know one! And 1996/1998? I guess Tom Delay and
Bob Dole were 'appeasing' Milosovic? Well, they WERE, but
who's counting?

As they say on atrios.blogspot.com, IOKIYAR:
"It's OK if you are a Republican".

Bigby

[no name no slogan]

9. I believe Mike Dukakis said it best in 1988 (one of things he got right)

He said it in reaction to all the evocations of FDR and Truman by Bush I and Reagan:

"Conservatives love liberals, but only after they're dead".

(I don't know if the wording is exact, but that's how I remember it).

I just find it humorous that the Repubs can't find any worthwhile conservatives to rip off, so they have to go steal material from long-dead liberals instead.

It's kind of like what happened to Paul Wellstone after he died. During his life, he was the scourge of the Republicans, and a fair number of Democrats, too, who felt he was a little too "uppity". But once that plane went down in the north woods, he grew wings and a halo. But once again I digress...