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Thu Feb-21-08 11:41 AM
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The debate tonight will snap the big mo for Obama and put him on the defensive |
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from now until the convention. It will be all about how and not why.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:42 AM
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1. I am confident that Obama is prepared and will handle it well. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:42 AM
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2. So hopes some bitter little personas. Awe, you're so cute when you're petty. eom. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:39 PM
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37. Bitter and petty? YOU are calling someone else bitter and petty? |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:42 AM
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3. Harvard defeats Yale once more n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:39 PM
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62. Ouch! Was that a reference to last November Harvard/Yale game? |
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I was at the Yale Bowl for that blowout! Man, what a disgrace for Yale! Teddy K. and The Other Senator from New York were tailgating merrily...
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:43 AM
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Tonight will be great fun to watch. Obama has the MO and hillary has the tough questions to face. I can almost hear Obama going down in flames now as Hillary answers the questions about her campaign loan and her firings and her negative ads and her delegate deficit and her wage garnishment and .... Yes obama is sure to be clobbered tonight! I am looking forward to it!
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:48 AM
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9. All the questions will be aimed at the perceived front runner. It will make or break Obama. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:46 AM
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So his voice may be a little rough. He may even cough and sneeze. But he will use a nice cloth handkerchief and say "Excuse me", just like a gentleman.
Will Hillary say "Bless you"?
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:48 AM
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8. If she does, she'll be labeled a religious zealot around here. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:56 AM
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20. that's the one funny thing you've said on this forum |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:59 AM
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26. Somehow, I doubt that |
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Hey, she could turn it all around with a little concern for the health of her opponent. But don't listen to me.
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:45 PM
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They'll grasp at any straw to call her and her supporters racists.
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:19 PM
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57. I won't call ya racists..I'll call crumb |
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hunters..always lookin' for crumbs.
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:21 PM
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58. If he coughs and sneezes, he had better hope his eyes don't water, too. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:47 AM
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6. There's a debate tonight? |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:48 AM
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campbell brown moderating.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:48 AM
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11. Yep, 8:00 p.m. EST on CNN I believe. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:00 PM
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:47 AM
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7. Obama is on such a roll, he could remain mute during the debate |
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and his numbers would still go up. I'll admit, he's not at his best in debates, but at this point I'm not too concerned about it.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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18. Thats the great thing about tonight. He wins by not losing too much! |
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Everyone already knows Hillary is better at debates than Obama and they still prefer Obama over her by a wide margin.
Obama wins by not losing too much, and Hillary loses by not getting a slam-dunk win. And she can't get a slam-dunk win no matter what she does if Obama remains calm and collected regardless of what she trues.
Bringing Texas home to Obama!
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:30 PM
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60. Obama will let her attack and act like a maniac |
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And he'll just sit there composed and look presidential. And be a complete gentleman
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:49 AM
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12. They continue to underestimate Obama |
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I think we'll be very surprised by the debate tonight.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:49 AM
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13. You will see a relaxed, confident and presidential Obama |
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Try not to be too disappointed.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:51 AM
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16. I'm not sure he will show. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:19 PM
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The momentum shall continue, no matter how many bitter attacks are leveled at him, no matter the "gotcha" moments. The simple fact is there are more voters willing to vote for Obama than for Hillary, and that number seems to increase as we move forward. I look forward to the campaign against McCain, when the Dems can reunite for the common good.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:50 AM
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14. Why are these debates always the same night that "Lost" is on? |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:55 AM
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:57 AM
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22. You mean that is not Michael and Penelope? |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:01 PM
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31. What do you mean Michael and Penelope? |
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Is Michael supposed to return to? And Penny is Desmond's girlfriend right?
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:15 PM
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34. I was just picking characters I thought they most looked like... |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:57 AM
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23. Ha! So I'm not the only one thinking that. |
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I'm probably going to end up watching Lost and catching the highlights of the debate on Youtube.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:51 AM
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15. He will be debating from the position of "front-runner" and with confidence. |
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Plus, the press has allowed him to attack Hillary negatively without labeling it "negative attacks" no matter what he says. I believe that Hillary will have much more difficult time in this debate. No matter what she says, how she says it, how many facts and how substantive she will the media and Obama supporters will say she is "negative" "shrill" and "attacking." She faces and almost impossible task in this debate. Plus, she is more apt to make her own gaffes because she has to be feeling somewhat betrayed by long-time "supporters" and "friends" and feeling beat-up by the Hillary haters in the media and elsewhere. I would not want to be her shoes. Everything thrown at her seems to stick (even when she has nothing to do with it) and nothing seems to stick on Obama, no matter what he says or does. Nevertheless, I am still a Hillary supporter and wish her well.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:56 AM
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21. Lets count the ahhhhhhhhs and ummmmmms in Obama's sentences. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:02 PM
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32. What you don't seem to grasp is |
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that most people don't give a damn. Poor hilly supporters. You'll try and grasp at any flimsy thing.
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:49 PM
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40. God forbid he act like a human being... |
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Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:51 PM by backscatter712
I'd like to see you go on stage with spotlights and cameras pointed in your face, scrutinized by millions of people, and not stutter.
And he's a million times better at public speaking and debating than Bush. You don't see him wired on stage so Rove can whisper in his ear. And we'll never see him make gaffes like "Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women across the country."
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:23 PM
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46. I prefer that to practiced one line zingers and gotchas. |
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It shows that he's thinking. He's prepared to give us an honest answer. I think a lot of other people believe the same thing.
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:58 AM
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24. I hope in the first half she gives short yes/no answers and let Obama sweat and the second half |
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Thu Feb-21-08 11:58 AM
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25. I dunno - he did well in the last debate. |
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He pressed on the Iraq issue, how he was opposed from the beginning, and how he's working to bring an end to it, but Clinton still hasn't apologized or come up with a rationalization for the IWR vote, and she still hasn't justified her subsequent votes like her vote for Kyl-Lieberman.
Really, for this one, all Obama has to do is set the record straight when attacked, then kill her with kindness - the more she snipes, the worse she'll look.
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:01 PM
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30. If he can control his contempt and give howto answers, he may break even. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:01 PM
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29. aww, poor Hill supporters. |
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You guys really are living in a delusion. All Obama has to do tonight is not blow it. That's it. But comfort yourself as Hilly's campaign continues to implode. And that is what it's doing. It's unlikely she'll make it past March 5th. She's either going to narrowly win or lose TX and OH. She's going to get blown out of the water here in VT and she'll lose RI. She's pretty damn close to done.
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:05 PM
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33. Tonight is the beginning of the GE for him and maybe her ending, so he best be sharp. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:16 PM
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35. I predict HRC will be periodically down tonight |
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:41 PM
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38. I predict a boatload of smugness, pretty words and zero substance. |
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You know..pretty much a carbon copy of the last couple of debates.
You get a pony! YOU get a pony! You get a pony!
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Thu Feb-21-08 12:50 PM
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41. I think tonight's debate will be heavily viewed - big moment for both camps. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:17 PM
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43. Kerry won two out of three debates and Dems still jumped all over him. |
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:20 PM
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45. I am sure the 50 people watching will be transfixed |
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Seriously, one debate in the 20th Century has ever swayed an election.
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Dumbya babbled incoherently through 3 of them with what looked like a fax machine strapped to his back, talked to people who weren't even there and yet still managed to get 60 million people to vote for him.
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:57 PM
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50. If either of them makes an error it will be all over the net and M$M. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:04 PM
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52. It needs to be a cataclysmic error |
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I half joking said before that Hillary needs for Obama to call her a "white bitch."
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:23 PM
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47. Substance will matter, but... |
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after months of criticism, Obama has started putting his policies front and center in his speeches. I think he is more than ready to take on Hillary on policy and advocate his solutions as better for the country.
I'll tell you one thing for sure - partisans for both candidates will be 'sure' their candidate won. There will be lots of DU threads saying 'Why _____ is the debate winner' and all of them will be equally meaningless. Barring a meltdown by either candidate, we won't know who 'won' the debate until we see how the polls move over the next week.
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:25 PM
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48. She'll need to attack to make that happen. |
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And as we've all seen, it doesn't seem to work in her favor. She doesn't have many good options, besides just discussing the issues, and Obama will most likely gain most from that.
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Thu Feb-21-08 03:58 PM
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I would bet there has been some serious research on the part of the HRC campaign - she is going to get in her zingers tonight.
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:06 PM
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53. oooh I reeeally reeeally hope so. |
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People need to realize Hillary is The Woman for The Times!!
Debates are her thing,she always does well.I'm blown away by how poised and calm she is.Obama,not so much.His answers are good though.That one on one debate with the two of them is the first time "ah believed" in him.
I'm not gonna lie though,I'm nervous about it!!!!lol.
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:15 PM
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55. If they asked him what the WHO was |
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he'd probably say that's a sound an owl makes.
He hasn't been asked a tough question since he came out of his hole in Chicago. Let her ask him some questions. Then just stand by for the W effect.
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I think if Obama loses the debate, which is highly unlikely, they'll have the Edwards endorsement to fall back on.
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:22 PM
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I'm an Obama supporter, but if she beats him up badly, then he SHOULD lose, because it's evidence that he's unprepared. Just like if he scores points on her, then she should lose, because she's run a crappy, lazy campaign from the very beginning.
I'll give her points if she somehow pulls it out, but my God, what does it say about her that her organization has been so terrible? Where's all the evidence of her supposed experience and readiness? Her staff have been burning through millions and she's been asleep at the wheel. That's who you want in the Oval Office?
But if she comes in tonight guns blazing, and he wilts, then what can you say other than that he didn't have what it takes? And if she stumbles, then she's done.
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Thu Feb-21-08 04:42 PM
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63. They have already debated 18 times, |
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and none of those debates have stopped Obama's momentum. What makes you think that tonight will be any different?
Or is this just more disinformation coming from a Clinton supporter?
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:00 PM
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64. There will be a debate tonight at 8PM est on CNN, no disinformation. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:05 PM
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66. We all know that there will be a debate tonight. |
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What we don't know is what you said, "The debate tonight will snap the big mo for Obama and put him on the defensive."
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:11 PM
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67. It's called conjecture about future events or my opinion of things to come. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:24 PM
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68. But you didn't say it was your conjecture. |
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You said it as if it were a proven fact. You didn't say that tonight's debate might snap Obama's big mo, you said that it will "snap the big mo for Obama and put him on the defensive." And even if it's your conjecture, it's not a sound one. As I already said, the previous 18 debates have not derailed Obama. What makes you think that tonight's debate will be any different? Or is this just your wishful thinking?
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:29 PM
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69. It's tonight stupid. n/t |
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:32 PM
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70. You don't have an answer for me so you call me "stupid." |
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I won't stoop to your level and characterize your intelligence or lack thereof, but I will let others draw their own conclusions.
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Thu Feb-21-08 05:03 PM
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65. Incorrect, because that is not what the American people are looking for. |
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If the first 18 debates didn't help save Mrs. Inevitable, Mrs. My Turn...... Then it's probably
Wishful. Thinking.
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Ms. Inevitable, lest you be accused of being sexist. :eyes:
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